Tenn. provides guns to criminals to shoot police

[Chris]

Is this a great country or what?

AP Exclusive: Pentagon gun was from Tenn. police | National politics | News from Fort Wo...

WASHINGTON — Two guns used in high-profile shootings this year at the Pentagon and a Las Vegas courthouse both came from the same unlikely place: the police and court system of Memphis, Tenn.

Law enforcement officials told The Associated Press that both guns were once seized in criminal cases in Memphis. The officials described how the weapons made their separate ways from an evidence vault to gun dealers and to the shooters.

The use of guns that once were in police custody and were later involved in attacks on police officers highlights a little-known divide in gun policy in the United States: Many cities and states destroy guns gathered in criminal probes, but others sell or trade the weapons in order to get other guns or buy equipment such as bulletproof vests.

In fact, on the day of the Pentagon shooting, March 4, the Tennessee governor signed legislation revising state law on confiscated guns. Before, law enforcement agencies in the state had the option of destroying a gun. Under the new version, agencies can only destroy a gun if it's inoperable or unsafe.

 

[elvis]

Is this a great country or what?

AP Exclusive: Pentagon gun was from Tenn. police | National politics | News from Fort Wo...

WASHINGTON — Two guns used in high-profile shootings this year at the Pentagon and a Las Vegas courthouse both came from the same unlikely place: the police and court system of Memphis, Tenn.

Law enforcement officials told The Associated Press that both guns were once seized in criminal cases in Memphis. The officials described how the weapons made their separate ways from an evidence vault to gun dealers and to the shooters.

The use of guns that once were in police custody and were later involved in attacks on police officers highlights a little-known divide in gun policy in the United States: Many cities and states destroy guns gathered in criminal probes, but others sell or trade the weapons in order to get other guns or buy equipment such as bulletproof vests.

In fact, on the day of the Pentagon shooting, March 4, the Tennessee governor signed legislation revising state law on confiscated guns. Before, law enforcement agencies in the state had the option of destroying a gun. Under the new version, agencies can only destroy a gun if it's inoperable or unsafe.

Yes it's a great country, you little fuckstain. Don't like it? Move away. PLEASE, move away, you little leech.

 

[hjmick]

Great thread title, too bad it misrepresents the facts.

One of the weapons in the Pentagon attack was seized by Memphis police in 2005 and later traded to a gun dealer; the gun used in the Jan. 4 courthouse shooting in Las Vegas was sold by a judge's order and the proceeds given to the Memphis-area sheriff's office. Neither weapon was sold by the Memphis law enforcement agencies directly to the men who later used them to shoot officers.

Though I do question the judgement of an agency that sells or trades confiscated weapons to gun dealers, I understand the motivation. Money is tight for many municipalities, more than a few law enforcement agencies are underfunded. They probably raise more cash this way than with bake sales and car washes.

 

[Zona]

Somehow, this will be blamed on Obama.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Somehow, this will be blamed on Obama.

Or Bush

 

[elvis]

Somehow, this will be blamed on Obama.

Or Bush

Zona the racist only blames Bush.

 

[The Rabbi]

Chris proves he's an idiot. Again. Like there was any doubt.
But misrepresenting facts is a Democratic standard. No wonder he loves Obama.
Fuckstain.

 

[blu]

ummmm guns are legal in this country. they sold guns to gun dealers who have the legal right to buy and sell them. I really don't see what the issue is O_O Do you think that if those guns were never sold to the gun stores that the shooters wouldn't have just went elsewhere??

i must be missing something....

 

[Big Black Dog]

Somehow, this will be blamed on Obama.

I thought everything bad automatically got blamed on Bush. Has there been a change in this policy?

 

[Harry Dresden]

ummmm guns are legal in this country. they sold guns to gun dealers who have the legal right to buy and sell them. I really don't see what the issue is O_O Do you think that if those guns were never sold to the gun stores that the shooters wouldn't have just went elsewhere??

i must be missing something....

Chris is Anti-gun so to him this is yet another reason to ban them....in his one pony mind....there was never a chance of those guys getting a gun any other way.....so these shootings should have never happened...

 

[The T]

Is this a great country or what?

AP Exclusive: Pentagon gun was from Tenn. police | National politics | News from Fort Wo...

WASHINGTON — Two guns used in high-profile shootings this year at the Pentagon and a Las Vegas courthouse both came from the same unlikely place: the police and court system of Memphis, Tenn.

Law enforcement officials told The Associated Press that both guns were once seized in criminal cases in Memphis. The officials described how the weapons made their separate ways from an evidence vault to gun dealers and to the shooters.

The use of guns that once were in police custody and were later involved in attacks on police officers highlights a little-known divide in gun policy in the United States: Many cities and states destroy guns gathered in criminal probes, but others sell or trade the weapons in order to get other guns or buy equipment such as bulletproof vests.

In fact, on the day of the Pentagon shooting, March 4, the Tennessee governor signed legislation revising state law on confiscated guns. Before, law enforcement agencies in the state had the option of destroying a gun. Under the new version, agencies can only destroy a gun if it's inoperable or unsafe.

What the Hell is your point here? Tennesee = Bad? And what does the legislation revising Tennesee Gun laws have to do with this?

From the Article: "One of the weapons in the Pentagon attack was seized by Memphis police in 2005 and later traded to a gun dealer; the gun used in the Jan. 4 courthouse shooting in Las Vegas as sold by a judge's order and the proceeds given to the Memphis-area sheriff's office. Neither weapon was sold by the Memphis law enforcement agencies directly to the men who later used them to shoot officers."

Chris? Your intent here is obvious. Your effect is laughable. There's ZERO you can do of this until the SECOND Amendment is either Amended, or ABOLISHED.

Good luck with that effort, because it will NEVER happen.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Great thread title, too bad it misrepresents the facts.

One of the weapons in the Pentagon attack was seized by Memphis police in 2005 and later traded to a gun dealer; the gun used in the Jan. 4 courthouse shooting in Las Vegas was sold by a judge's order and the proceeds given to the Memphis-area sheriff's office. Neither weapon was sold by the Memphis law enforcement agencies directly to the men who later used them to shoot officers.

Though I do question the judgement of an agency that sells or trades confiscated weapons to gun dealers, I understand the motivation. Money is tight for many municipalities, more than a few law enforcement agencies are underfunded. They probably raise more cash this way than with bake sales and car washes.

Yup, I kind of figured that when I read the title, that it would be false, like many other thread titles.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Chris proves he's an idiot. Again. Like there was any doubt.
But misrepresenting facts is a Democratic standard. No wonder he loves Obama.
Fuckstain.

Like the majority of posts here from conservatives that misrepresent facts. But hey, its just the democratic standard, right?

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

It appears the OP has a problem with facts. If you don't like them, just make some drivel up so you can bash those "evil" conservatives.

 

[The Rabbi]

Chris proves he's an idiot. Again. Like there was any doubt.
But misrepresenting facts is a Democratic standard. No wonder he loves Obama.
Fuckstain.

Like the majority of posts here from conservatives that misrepresent facts. But hey, its just the democratic standard, right?

Yes. Democrats and liberals misrepresent facts. Conservatives present facts. This is obvious and apparent to all.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Chris proves he's an idiot. Again. Like there was any doubt.
But misrepresenting facts is a Democratic standard. No wonder he loves Obama.
Fuckstain.

Like the majority of posts here from conservatives that misrepresent facts. But hey, its just the democratic standard, right?

Yes. Democrats and liberals misrepresent facts. Conservatives present facts. This is obvious and apparent to all.

 

[Intense]

Your Help Is Needed In Support of BATFE Reform Bills S. 941 And H.R. 2296

Tuesday, January 26, 2010

As we’ve been reporting for months, Senator Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) have introduced S. 941, the “Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Reform and Firearms Modernization Act of 2009” in the U.S. Senate. Representatives Steve King (R-Iowa) and Zack Space (D-Ohio) have introduced a companion bill—H.R. 2296—in the U.S. House. The bills would roll back unnecessary restrictions, correct errors, and codify longstanding congressional policies in the firearms arena. These bipartisan bills are a vital step to modernize and improve BATFE operations.

Of highest importance, S. 941and H.R. 2296 totally rewrite the system of administrative penalties for licensed dealers, manufacturers and importers of firearms. Currently, for most violations, BATFE can only give a federal firearms license (FFL) holder a warning, or revoke his license.

S. 941 and H.R. 2296 would allow fines or license suspensions for less serious violations, while still allowing license revocation for the kind of serious violations that would block an investigation or put guns in the hands of criminals. This will help prevent the all-too-common situations where BATFE has revoked licenses for insignificant technical violations—such as improper use of abbreviations or filing records in the wrong order.

Among its other provisions, S. 941 and H.R. 2296 would:

· Clarify the standard for “willful” violations—allowing penalties for intentional, purposeful violations of the law, but not for simple paperwork mistakes.

· Improve the process for imposing penalties, notably by allowing FFLs to appeal BATFE penalties to a neutral administrative law judge, rather than to an employee of BATFE itself.

· Allow a licensee a period of time to liquidate inventory when he goes out of business. During this period, all firearms sold would be subject to a background check by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

· Allow a grace period for people taking over an existing firearms business to correct problems in the business’s records—so if a person inherited a family gun store (for example), the new owner couldn’t be punished for the previous owner’s recordkeeping violations.

· Reform the procedures for consideration of federal firearms license applications. Under S. 941, denial of an application would require notification to the applicant, complete with reasons for the denial. Additionally, an applicant would be allowed to provide supplemental information and to have a hearing on the application.

· Require BATFE to establish clear investigative guidelines.

· Clarify the licensing requirement for gunsmiths, distinguishing between repair and other gunsmith work and manufacture of a firearm. This would stop BATFE from arguing that minor gunsmithing or refinishing activities require a manufacturers’ license.

· Eliminate a provision of the Youth Handgun Safety Act that requires those under 18 to have written permission to use a handgun for lawful purposes (such as competitive shooting or safety training)—even when the parent or guardian is present.

· Permanently ban creation of a centralized electronic index of out of business dealers’ records—a threat to gun owners’ privacy that Congress has barred through appropriations riders for more than a decade.

· Allow importation and transfer of new machineguns by firearm and ammunition manufacturers for use in developing or testing firearms and ammunition, and training customers. In particular, ammunition manufacturers fulfilling government contracts need to ensure that their ammunition works reliably. S. 941 and H.R. 2296 would also provide for the transfer and possession of new machineguns by professional film and theatrical organizations.

· Repeal the Brady Act’s “interim” waiting period provisions, which expired in 1998.

· Give BATFE sole responsibility for receiving reports of multiple handgun sales. (Currently, dealers also have to report multiple sales to state or local agencies, a requirement that has shown little or no law enforcement value.) State and local agencies could receive these reports upon request to BATFE, but would have to comply strictly with current requirements to destroy these records after 20 days, unless the person buying the guns turns out to be prohibited from receiving firearms.

· Restore a policy that allowed importation of barrels, frames and receivers for non-importable firearms, when they can be used as repair or replacement parts.

S. 941 represents the first time such BATFE reform legislation has been introduced in the Senate. However, the House passed similar legislation (H.R. 5092) in the 109th Congress by a 277-131 vote. A majority of the House--224 congressmen--cosponsored H.R. 4900 in the 110th Congress.

A fact sheet on S. 941/H.R. 2296 can be found here.


As of this writing, S. 941 has 24 cosponsors, and H.R. 2296 has 210 cosponsors.

Please be sure to contact your U.S. Senators and Representative, and ask them to cosponsor and support S. 941 and H.R. 2296! You can call your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121, and your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121.






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[Harry Dresden]

Chris proves he's an idiot. Again. Like there was any doubt.
But misrepresenting facts is a Democratic standard. No wonder he loves Obama.
Fuckstain.

Like the majority of posts here from conservatives that misrepresent facts. But hey, its just the democratic standard, right?

Yes. Democrats and liberals misrepresent facts. Conservatives present facts. This is obvious and apparent to all.

sometimes Rabbi....there have been Conservatives here who present things like Chris does.....Chris is very noticeable because he does it so often...

 

[Zona]

Somehow, this will be blamed on Obama.

Or Bush

I disagree. The day Obama took the office he should have been blamed for the state of the economy. Bush had nothing to do with that.

 

[driveby]

Is this a great country or what?

AP Exclusive: Pentagon gun was from Tenn. police | National politics | News from Fort Wo...

WASHINGTON — Two guns used in high-profile shootings this year at the Pentagon and a Las Vegas courthouse both came from the same unlikely place: the police and court system of Memphis, Tenn.

Law enforcement officials told The Associated Press that both guns were once seized in criminal cases in Memphis. The officials described how the weapons made their separate ways from an evidence vault to gun dealers and to the shooters.

The use of guns that once were in police custody and were later involved in attacks on police officers highlights a little-known divide in gun policy in the United States: Many cities and states destroy guns gathered in criminal probes, but others sell or trade the weapons in order to get other guns or buy equipment such as bulletproof vests.

In fact, on the day of the Pentagon shooting, March 4, the Tennessee governor signed legislation revising state law on confiscated guns. Before, law enforcement agencies in the state had the option of destroying a gun. Under the new version, agencies can only destroy a gun if it's inoperable or unsafe.

eat a dick, faggot .......