Ted Kennedy dies.

[The T]

I get it just fine.

The original republic also had Senators who were beholden to the state houses, rather than popularly elected, for all intents and purposes, for life.

Were America intended to be a democracy, there'd be direct referrenda on every issue.

Exactly...and this should be repealed...

AMENDMENT XVII
Passed by Congress May 13, 1912. Ratified April 8, 1913.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

______________

It was a continuence of stupidity when it was ratified, and within the realm of the beginning of Statism we witness now. Kennedy was a benifactor of this stupidity.

No it should not. But you are welcome to fire up petitions for such an appeal.

WHAT was the reason for Amending Article 1, Section 3. And Don't ask ME...I asked YOU. The ONUS is upon YOU.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

the cruxt of this entire argument is founded in the Leftist desire that the only FAIR governance is that operating on "Majority Rules"... OKA: Mob rule... AKA: the Social Democracy; where legislation is passed by popular referendum.

It's a ludicrous notion... which sets the course of a nation upon the whim of idiots such as those who are commonly fed their own intellectual asses. The only thing more frieghtening than a Pelosi/Reid/Hussein Cabal is one which gives the power of GOVERNANCE to the more common in the fool family.

Why is it whenever you guys are out of power you claim to hate democracy?

Our position remains what it was when the original Americans; the framers of the US rejected social Democracy... that such is an untenable form of goverance; with no potential to sustain a viable culture.

 

[The T]

I get it just fine.

The original republic also had Senators who were beholden to the state houses, rather than popularly elected, for all intents and purposes, for life.

Were America intended to be a democracy, there'd be direct referrenda on every issue.

Exactly...and this should be repealed...

AMENDMENT XVII
Passed by Congress May 13, 1912. Ratified April 8, 1913.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

______________

It was a continuence of stupidity when it was ratified, and within the realm of the beginning of Statism we witness now. Kennedy was a benifactor of this stupidity.

No it should not. But you are welcome to fire up petitions for such an appeal.

(BTW, nice calling the voters of states "stupid")

I will refresh my question with something else...

WHY is the Congress split into TWO Houses?

One is the "House Of Representitives", which directly affords the PEOPLE representation.

What was the original purpose of the SENATE?

Again? The ONUS upon YOU hasn't changed. I just gave you a tantilizing hint. Don't make me regret giving it to you.

 

[paperview]

I will refresh my question with something else...

WHY is the Congress split into TWO Houses?

One is the "House Of Representitives", which directly affords the PEOPLE representation.

What was the original purpose of the SENATE?

Again? The ONUS upon YOU hasn't changed. I just gave you a tantilizing hint. Don't make me regret giving it to you.

Your question is much better suited for a debate Ca 1910.

Good luck in your time machine!

 

[Immanuel]

Why is it whenever you guys are out of power you claim to hate democracy?

I'll say it again:

This coming from someone who claims the last two elections were stolen?

Immie

correction, the previous 2 POTUS elections

Ah, I messed that up this time. The correct quote from me should have been two of the last three elections. Thanks for pointing that out, I'm distracted getting ready for the beach and then a cruise.

Immie

 

[The T]

I will refresh my question with something else...

WHY is the Congress split into TWO Houses?

One is the "House Of Representitives", which directly affords the PEOPLE representation.

What was the original purpose of the SENATE?

Again? The ONUS upon YOU hasn't changed. I just gave you a tantilizing hint. Don't make me regret giving it to you.

Your question is much better suited for a debate Ca 1910.

Good luck in your time machine!

My time machine, Gracie? Lord forbid that I give some of you a History lesson of your own FORM of Government, that many of you seem to lack.

And notice I said lesson as a historical FACT rather than being a victim of Public Liberal Run Government schools that are rather deficient in this area of Basic CIVICS.

 

[Immanuel]

Is it that difficult? A federal republic is an indirect, representative democracy.

Fine. But to outright call this an outright "Democracy", is incorrect. A true Democracy is nothing other than pure MOB RULE. We are not that...albiet many incorrectly understand the distinction, and are taught incorrectly.

I think many would like it to be a true Democracy or at least they think that is what they would like.

Immie

 

[L.K.Eder]

I will refresh my question with something else...

WHY is the Congress split into TWO Houses?

One is the "House Of Representitives", which directly affords the PEOPLE representation.

What was the original purpose of the SENATE?

Again? The ONUS upon YOU hasn't changed. I just gave you a tantilizing hint. Don't make me regret giving it to you.

Your question is much better suited for a debate Ca 1910.

Good luck in your time machine!

My time machine, Gracie? Lord forbid that I give some of you a History lesson of your own FORM of Government, that many of you seem to lack.

And notice I said lesson as a historical FACT rather than being a victim of Public Liberal Run Government schools that are rather deficient in this area of Basic CIVICS.

you cannot even distinguish between pure democracy and representative democracy.

 

[DiveCon]

I will refresh my question with something else...

WHY is the Congress split into TWO Houses?

One is the "House Of Representitives", which directly affords the PEOPLE representation.

What was the original purpose of the SENATE?

Again? The ONUS upon YOU hasn't changed. I just gave you a tantilizing hint. Don't make me regret giving it to you.

Your question is much better suited for a debate Ca 1910.

Good luck in your time machine!

and who punts

 

[The T]

Your question is much better suited for a debate Ca 1910.

Good luck in your time machine!

My time machine, Gracie? Lord forbid that I give some of you a History lesson of your own FORM of Government, that many of you seem to lack.

And notice I said lesson as a historical FACT rather than being a victim of Public Liberal Run Government schools that are rather deficient in this area of Basic CIVICS.

you cannot even distinguish between pure democracy and representative democracy.

Izzat so? I gave Historical context from one of the Founders. Do you still stand by that statement? Or are you one of these Revisionists I see everywhere?

 

[The T]

I will refresh my question with something else...

WHY is the Congress split into TWO Houses?

One is the "House Of Representitives", which directly affords the PEOPLE representation.

What was the original purpose of the SENATE?

Again? The ONUS upon YOU hasn't changed. I just gave you a tantilizing hint. Don't make me regret giving it to you.

Your question is much better suited for a debate Ca 1910.

Good luck in your time machine!

and who punts

Eloquently stated. Kudos.

 

[L.K.Eder]

My time machine, Gracie? Lord forbid that I give some of you a History lesson of your own FORM of Government, that many of you seem to lack.

And notice I said lesson as a historical FACT rather than being a victim of Public Liberal Run Government schools that are rather deficient in this area of Basic CIVICS.

you cannot even distinguish between pure democracy and representative democracy.

Izzat so? I gave Historical context from one of the Founders. Do you still stand by that statement? Or are you one of these Revisionists I see everywhere?

that is so. i stand by my statement. madison could distinguish between pure democracy and a representative democracy, as could hamilton and paine, and me. not you. no wonder you see revisionists everywhere.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Is it that difficult? A federal republic is an indirect, representative democracy.

Fine. But to outright call this an outright "Democracy", is incorrect. A true Democracy is nothing other than pure MOB RULE. We are not that...albiet many incorrectly understand the distinction, and are taught incorrectly.

I think many would like it to be a true Democracy or at least they think that is what they would like.

Immie

I don't think anyone who knows what they are talking about wants a direct democracy.

 

[The T]

you cannot even distinguish between pure democracy and representative democracy.

Izzat so? I gave Historical context from one of the Founders. Do you still stand by that statement? Or are you one of these Revisionists I see everywhere?

that is so. i stand by my statement. madison could distinguish between pure democracy and a representative democracy, as could hamilton and paine, and me. not you. no wonder you see revisionists everywhere.

And what was his overriding statement?

We are probably a _____________________________.

I put the same question to YOU as I did Bodecca. Can you answer it? As of now? Your responses thusfar would point negative, and peg you as a revisionist.

 

[The T]

Fine. But to outright call this an outright "Democracy", is incorrect. A true Democracy is nothing other than pure MOB RULE. We are not that...albiet many incorrectly understand the distinction, and are taught incorrectly.

I think many would like it to be a true Democracy or at least they think that is what they would like.

Immie

I don't think anyone who knows what they are talking about wants a direct democracy.

Direct Democracy is Direct MOB RULE, and thus anarchy would be the rule of the day. The founders were careful in their choice. Kudos to you.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Representative Democracy = Republic.

End of argument.

Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Founding Fathers like James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I think many would like it to be a true Democracy or at least they think that is what they would like.

Immie

I don't think anyone who knows what they are talking about wants a direct democracy.

Direct Democracy is Direct MOB RULE, and thus anarchy would be the rule of the day. The founders were careful in their choice. Kudos to you.

Absolutely. It would be insanity.

 

[Immanuel]

Fine. But to outright call this an outright "Democracy", is incorrect. A true Democracy is nothing other than pure MOB RULE. We are not that...albiet many incorrectly understand the distinction, and are taught incorrectly.

I think many would like it to be a true Democracy or at least they think that is what they would like.

Immie

I don't think anyone who knows what they are talking about wants a direct democracy.

I don't either that is why I said they "think" that is what they would like.

Pure democracy would mean that the large cities would basically get everything they want and the farmers, who feed this nation would be left out in the cold. Those who think for themselves do not want mob rule.

Immie

 

[L.K.Eder]

Izzat so? I gave Historical context from one of the Founders. Do you still stand by that statement? Or are you one of these Revisionists I see everywhere?

that is so. i stand by my statement. madison could distinguish between pure democracy and a representative democracy, as could hamilton and paine, and me. not you. no wonder you see revisionists everywhere.

And what was his overriding statement?

We are probably a _____________________________.

I put the same question to YOU as I did Bodecca. Can you answer it? As of now? Your responses thusfar would point negative, and peg you as a revisionist.

i wonder where you get your cockiness, failmaster. this is not a quiz where you can dream up questions someone has to answer. especially questions which deflect from your initial pompous bloviating about not a "representative democracy but a representative republic". punt, my ass.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I think many would like it to be a true Democracy or at least they think that is what they would like.

Immie

I don't think anyone who knows what they are talking about wants a direct democracy.

I don't either that is why I said they "think" that is what they would like.

Pure democracy would mean that the large cities would basically get everything they want and the farmers, who feed this nation would be left out in the cold. Those who think for themselves do not want mob rule.

Immie

And, on top of that, logistically it would be impossible. Can you imagine going to the polls every single day, to vote on every single issue that comes up? That's the way a direct democracy works - everyone votes on everything.