Ted Cruz secures vote on Russian pipeline sanctions in deal with Schumer as Cruz agrees to lift his holds on 32 nominees

[basquebromance]

we'll finally find out who is Putin's friend, and who is his foe

Cruz secures vote on Russian pipeline sanctions in deal with Schumer

Cruz agreed to lift his holds on 32 nominees in exchange for the Senate voting in early January on his legislation to sanction the pipeline.

www.politico.com

 

[pknopp]

We are to sanction two countries for willingly work together? If a country did that to us it would be seen as a call for war. Russian and Germany working together is none of our business.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We are to sanction two countries for willingly work together? If a country did that to us it would be seen as a call for war. Russian and Germany working together is none of our business.

We are to sanction two countries for willingly work together?

Yes.

If a country did that to us it would be seen as a call for war.

Would we even notice?

 

[pknopp]

We are to sanction two countries for willingly work together?

Yes.

If a country did that to us it would be seen as a call for war.

Would we even notice?

Absolutely. What if other countries got a sanction against selling us computer parts?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Absolutely. What if other countries got a sanction against selling us computer parts?

They should definitely try that.

 

[pknopp]

They should definitely try that.

Right, we would take it as war.

 

[Rigby5]

We are to sanction two countries for willingly work together?

Yes.

If a country did that to us it would be seen as a call for war.

Would we even notice?

Economic sanctions are entirely illegal, both under US law and the 1906 Geneva conventions.

 

[Circe]

we'll finally find out who is Putin's friend, and who is his foe

Cruz secures vote on Russian pipeline sanctions in deal with Schumer

Cruz agreed to lift his holds on 32 nominees in exchange for the Senate voting in early January on his legislation to sanction the pipeline.

www.politico.com

Hm! Iffy. That whole Ukraine thing is heating up.

 

[Circe]

Right, we would take it as war.

Naaaaaaaah. Not selling computer parts is not a casus belli. Shooooooo, so far, even big and constant cyberattacks are not considered as a cause for war, but I think sooner or later, they will be. And they are openly malicious.

 

[pknopp]

Naaaaaaaah. Not selling computer parts is not a casus belli. Shooooooo, so far, even big and constant cyberattacks are not considered as a cause for war, but I think sooner or later, they will be. And they are openly malicious.

As is interfering in two countries doing business.

 

[Rigby5]

Naaaaaaaah. Not selling computer parts is not a casus belli. Shooooooo, so far, even big and constant cyberattacks are not considered as a cause for war, but I think sooner or later, they will be. And they are openly malicious.

Depends on how the US can make money?
Wanting to make money selling Iraqi oil was enough cause for war last time.

But economic sanctions are not just cause for war, but are illegal according to US law and the Geneva conventions.

 

[Rigby5]

Hm! Iffy. That whole Ukraine thing is heating up.

And the Russians are the good guys in that heat up.
The Ukraine has been stealing oil and gas for decades.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Right, we would take it as war.

Meh.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Economic sanctions are entirely illegal, both under US law and the 1906 Geneva conventions.

Prove it.

 

[Rigby5]

Prove it.

The 1906 Hague conventions, now known as the Geneva conventions, made it a war crime to do any economic sanctions on civilian commerce.
The original goal was to prevent starvation siege of walled cities.
But the principle is universal and still applies.
Hindering civilian commerce is and always has been illegal.
The fact we starved out the Germans and the Japanese, does not make it any more legal.
It is still a war crime and immoral.
I could search the Geneva conventions again and find the quotes, but I should not have to.
It should be obvious that blocking civilian commerce always inherently has to be a war crime.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Isnt Ted off to Cancun in a few days ?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The 1906 Hague conventions, now known as the Geneva conventions, made it a war crime to do any economic sanctions on civilian commerce.
The original goal was to prevent starvation siege of walled cities.
But the principle is universal and still applies.
Hindering civilian commerce is and always has been illegal.
The fact we starved out the Germans and the Japanese, does not make it any more legal.
It is still a war crime and immoral.
I could search the Geneva conventions again and find the quotes, but I should not have to.
It should be obvious that blocking civilian commerce always inherently has to be a war crime.

The 1906 Hague conventions, now known as the Geneva conventions, made it a war crime to do any economic sanctions on civilian commerce.

You just can't quote the section that actually says that.

 

[surada]

we'll finally find out who is Putin's friend, and who is his foe

Cruz secures vote on Russian pipeline sanctions in deal with Schumer

Cruz agreed to lift his holds on 32 nominees in exchange for the Senate voting in early January on his legislation to sanction the pipeline.

www.politico.com

OMG.. 32 morons? How embarrassing.

Depends on how the US can make money?
Wanting to make money selling Iraqi oil was enough cause for war last time.

But economic sanctions are not just cause for war, but are illegal according to US law and the Geneva conventions.

We didn't sell any Iraqi oil. Their production was zilch for decade.

 

[Circe]

As is interfering in two countries doing business.

You are of course right ----- it's meant to be malice, after all. Just -------------------- not war.

 

[Circe]

Depends on how the US can make money?
Wanting to make money selling Iraqi oil was enough cause for war last time.

But economic sanctions are not just cause for war, but are illegal according to US law and the Geneva conventions.

Well -------- not exactly Iraqi oil if you are speaking of the first Iraqi war --- Kuwaiti oil.

I'm okay with that; oil is one of the good reasons to go to war, IMO.

As for what's illegal!! Who cares? Nobody at all. All that matters is whether there is likely to be blowback (poison gas or biowarfare, notably, and until recently, atom bombs. I think we're getting over worrying about fallout, though.). There can't be blowback with economic sanctions, directly, since we have economic power but Russia has none.

I am wondering how Germany will feel about getting its heating oil cut off --- I haven't been following all this closely. I assume there will be invasion of Ukraine, or at least part of it.