Teachable Moment Indeed

[dblack]

I think that dblack's tendencies run to small Government Conservatism
Since neither of you actually participate - it's moot.

When it comes to your two-party project to fuck up the country - no, not interested in "participating".

 

[BrokeLoser]

The problem is not government control. The problem is nitwits electing a nitwit.

HOLY HELL!
“Nitwits”?
The irony….You libs want Mexico’s illiterate people voting, you want America hating ragheads voting, you want children voting, you want desperate swamp creatures and street beasts voting…hahaha…you want all the nitwits voting.
You can’t be taken seriously.

 

[Billiejeens]

We do but you being part of the party of big government and partisan politics don’t like free thinkers.

I love free thinkers.

It's when the thinking becomes actions that waste those thoughts that I take issue.

 

[berg80]

Both - though state control is less oppressive (ie easier to work around).

I ask "then who should be in control?" You say, "the people." I say, "they already are."

 

[dblack]

I love free thinkers.

It's when the thinking becomes actions that waste those thoughts that I take issue.

Like voting for a bad candidate because you're askeered of weevils.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I’m talking traditional liberals from the 60’s and 70’s, you have principles and values that you stick to, today’s liberals and conservatives move like the wind, Obama was for deporting illegals, getting rid of government waste but today now they are against it, conservatives used to be for universal health care and are now against it. No consistency. Their views change with the winds, your ideals are pretty consistent.

dblack is as socially left as any purple hair nose ringer on this site but he’s wise enough and ashamed enough to disguise it and masquerade as something different…His Libtarian streak is fiscal responsibility.

 

[dblack]

I ask "then who should be in control?" You say, "the people." I say, "they already are."

Because you conflate the government with the people.

 

[Papageorgio]

I love free thinkers.

It's when the thinking becomes actions that waste those thoughts that I take issue.

You are free to be who you are, just as I am free to be who I am. I can vote for whomever I like and you can vote for whoever you like, I just don’t believe in partisan bullshit, which is what the Republicans and Democratic parties are all about. You are free to believe the bullshit.

 

[Billiejeens]

When it comes to your two-party project to fuck up the country - no, not interested in "participating".

You want it to be a 5-party project to fuck up the country, I know.

 

[Papageorgio]

dblack is as socially left as any purple hair nose ringer on this site but he’s wise enough and ashamed enough to disguise it and masquerade as something different…His Libtarian streak is fiscal responsibility.

Social agendas have not hurt you place in politics, you can be gay,mhetro, trans person, blue hair, wear pussy hats or MAGA hats, it is all good, it is all covered in the first amendment. My issue is when government interferes with social issues.

 

[berg80]

Because you conflate the government with the people.

Does government elect itself? It's not an abstraction. People who say the government is at fault for this or that fail to acknowledge we have the power to have the government we want. Unfortunately, too many people are uninformed, misinformed, lazy, and apathetic.

 

[Billiejeens]

Does government elect itself? It's not an abstraction. People who say the government is at fault for this or that fail to acknowledge we have the power to have the government we want. Unfortunately, too many people are uninformed, misinformed, lazy, and apathetic.

and they almost universally vote for Democratics.

 

[konradv]

That depends on what the money is spent on. Which depends on the current regime.

We can’t take funding away from basic research and expect the country to progress. The revolt against “experts” signals the end of American exceptionalism, as this regime attacks the foundation of that exceptionalism. We spend money on studies that sound ridiculous to those not in the field, but doing it is important for the future.

THE FUTURE IS GLOBAL

 

[konradv]

I make nothing up…Get together with your globalist buddies and study the timeline. It’s undeniable…too many dark people / not enough whites = Automatic super shithole.
Scary to admit huh?

THE FUTURE IS GLOBAL

 

[BrokeLoser]

Social agendas have not hurt you place in politics

Of course they do/have…By way of identity politics Democrats have groomed the electorate to vote solely on social issues because they can’t win on real, meaningful politics/issues.
Democrats want nothing more than a gayer more foreign, more taxpayer dependent nation….Gays, foreigners and bottom feeders vote Democrat by default.

you can be gay,mhetro, trans person, blue hair, wear pussy hats

All Democrat by default

My issue is when government interferes with social issues.

Government has meddled in social issues since 1913 when Congress ratified the 16th and forced the people to pay income tax…then FDR rolled out welfare circa 1935 and really fucked things up.

dblack

 

[BrokeLoser]

THE FUTURE IS GLOBAL

How’s that working out for ANY diverse nation on the globe?

 

[dblack]

Does government elect itself? It's not an abstraction.

I'm not denying that people elect our leaders. But after that, all bets are off - until the next election. And you're still ignoring my central point: At best, government represents the interests of the majority of the people - not all of the people. In fact, in a democracy, government is primarily a tool to force the will of the majority on everyone else.

People who say the government is at fault for this or that fail to acknowledge we have the power to have the government we want.

Because it's not true. We'll get the government the majority wants regardless of what you or I want. The only way to "win" is to join the bigger gang.

 

[dblack]

We can’t take funding away from basic research and expect the country to progress.

Maybe. But government isn't a dependable vehicle for that funding, as we're seeing.

 

[berg80]

Eggs got too expensive so for the first time we elected a convicted felon as prez. That's on us, not the "government."

 

[berg80]

At best, government represents the interests of the majority of the people - not all of the people. In fact, in a democracy, government is primarily a tool to force the will of the majority on everyone else.

You're ignoring the structural advantages the minority has by virtue of the EC and the disproportionate representation of rural (conservative) areas in the Senate.

But yes, generally speaking, the majority rules. Do you favor anarchy instead? Or perhaps the dissolution of the republic in to 50 disparate states each having total control within its borders?

What is your "solution" to democracy?