Democracy over promised and under delivered

As Americans, on the "US" message board, it might be easy to lose sight of, but the rejection of democracy in favor of more authoritarian government is a worldwide change. So I thought it might be worth discussing what's going on. Why is democracy losing ground? Why are people so disenchanted with it that they're willing to give control to unrestrained populist leaders?

Here's something I've been thinking about. A possible motive: Populist authoritarianism is winning out over democracy because it is more responsive to the will of the people. That's right - MORE responsive to the will of the people. Liberals are probably a bit confused by that statement, but it's true. By contrast, democracy is slow and plodding. It requires endless deliberation and negotiation to effect change in government. It requires that we build consensus and come to agreement before we pass laws.

Populism sheds these impediments and puts power in the hands of the people, via the people's tyrant. As long as you like what he's doing, it's all wine and roses.

I think the frustration behind this change is largely driven by misconceptions of what democracy is, and how it works. Democracy was sold as a way for people to get what they want out of their government. They told us that democratic government would make us all happy, healthy, educated, etc, etc ... But it just doesn't work that way. Constitutionally limited democracy, working properly, prevents identity politics and requires government to attend to the general welfare of the people, rather the focused interests. It prevents people from getting what they want, unless everyone else wants it too.

So, can it be turned around? Is there a way to convince people that democracy is a good thing, even if it doesn't give them exactly what they want out of government?
The Ewe Essay

Having a supreme set of laws, the Constitution, is the enemy of democracy. A republic is the enemy of democracy. Hereditary power is the enemy of democracy.

Populism is democracy. We won't have it until we can repeal unpopular laws through initiatives (petitions) and national referendums.

We also have to take back voting rights for the fit and citizenship for unwanted immigrants. So the present Popular Vote is not Populist.
 
As Americans, on the "US" message board, it might be easy to lose sight of, but the rejection of democracy in favor of more authoritarian government is a worldwide change.

America is not now and has never been a democracy. And we are not now and have never been in favor of an authoritarian government, either.

Both of your premises are false.

No point in delving any further into your latest meaningless diatribe.
 
"Constitutionally limited democracy, working properly, prevents identity politics and requires government to attend to the general welfare of the people, rather the focused interests."

Well, democrats pretty much screwed the pooch on that one.
Two Wings of the Same Vulture

The elitist Constitution allows them to do that. It is not being abused. That Rightist excuse is as invalid as the Leftist claim that "Real Socialism hasn't been tried yet."
 
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As Americans, on the "US" message board, it might be easy to lose sight of, but the rejection of democracy in favor of more authoritarian government is a worldwide change. So I thought it might be worth discussing what's going on. Why is democracy losing ground? Why are people so disenchanted with it that they're willing to give control to unrestrained populist leaders?

Here's something I've been thinking about. A possible motive: Populist authoritarianism is winning out over democracy because it is more responsive to the will of the people. That's right - MORE responsive to the will of the people. Liberals are probably a bit confused by that statement, but it's true. By contrast, democracy is slow and plodding. It requires endless deliberation and negotiation to effect change in government. It requires that we build consensus and come to agreement before we pass laws.

Populism sheds these impediments and puts power in the hands of the people, via the people's tyrant. As long as you like what he's doing, it's all wine and roses.

I think the frustration behind this change is largely driven by misconceptions of what democracy is, and how it works. Democracy was sold as a way for people to get what they want out of their government. They told us that democratic government would make us all happy, healthy, educated, etc, etc ... But it just doesn't work that way. Constitutionally limited democracy, working properly, prevents identity politics and requires government to attend to the general welfare of the people, rather the focused interests. It prevents people from getting what they want, unless everyone else wants it too.

So, can it be turned around? Is there a way to convince people that democracy is a good thing, even if it doesn't give them exactly what they want out of government?
At some point the Democrat political party
told the cheap freak fake media
that they only
defined what democracy means.

The fake news loved that, & ran with it.
($$$)
 
Dem Democracy: A corrupt regime at all levels whose goal is to line their pockets with other people's money while taking a giant shit on the American people. You can keep that bastardized version of 'democracy'.
 
As Americans, on the "US" message board, it might be easy to lose sight of, but the rejection of democracy in favor of more authoritarian government is a worldwide change. So I thought it might be worth discussing what's going on. Why is democracy losing ground? Why are people so disenchanted with it that they're willing to give control to unrestrained populist leaders?

Here's something I've been thinking about. A possible motive: Populist authoritarianism is winning out over democracy because it is more responsive to the will of the people. That's right - MORE responsive to the will of the people. Liberals are probably a bit confused by that statement, but it's true. By contrast, democracy is slow and plodding. It requires endless deliberation and negotiation to effect change in government. It requires that we build consensus and come to agreement before we pass laws.

Populism sheds these impediments and puts power in the hands of the people, via the people's tyrant. As long as you like what he's doing, it's all wine and roses.

I think the frustration behind this change is largely driven by misconceptions of what democracy is, and how it works. Democracy was sold as a way for people to get what they want out of their government. They told us that democratic government would make us all happy, healthy, educated, etc, etc ... But it just doesn't work that way. Constitutionally limited democracy, working properly, prevents identity politics and requires government to attend to the general welfare of the people, rather the focused interests. It prevents people from getting what they want, unless everyone else wants it too.

So, can it be turned around? Is there a way to convince people that democracy is a good thing, even if it doesn't give them exactly what they want out of government?
we are a constitutional republic not a democracy,,,

democracy is a horrible system that always ends in slavery and millions dead,,
 
I don't have a cult, douchebag. That's your game, not mine.
Sure you do "douchebag." Those lameass talking points you're using sure didn't invent themselves.

How about answering the question "doucehbag?" What are your specific examples of how AUTHORITARIANISM is winning out over DEMOCRACY.
 
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How about answering the question "doucehbag?" What are your specific examples of how AUTHORITARIANISM is winning out over DEMOCRACY.
Vaccine mandates, rule by executive order, intimidation of the press, ICE goon squads, lawfare to persecute political opponents, scapegoating minorities, colluding with corrupt media to disseminate propaganda, cancel culture, etc, etc,...

But let's not pretend. For each and every one of these, you'll have a pre-programmed excuse for why it's different when your side does it. You don't give a **** about good government. You just want to "win" the culture war, even if it destroys our country in the process.
 
I suspect that a great many people who lived through COVID will carry bitterness forward the rest of their lives in the same way that people who lived through the Great Depression did. Many people saw authoritarianism keep them under de facto house arrest, so the right wing "No!" has a lot more appeal to them currently.
It was not just the authoritarianism; it was the self-righteous Progressive Socialist minions who were activated and a percentage of them acted like they knew better and had if you did not agree you were ostracized. There is nothing worse than self-important snob Primadona's. You are right though. Never forget any detriments from others.
 
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Vaccine mandates,
Vaccines have been mandated since before you were born. Good news is that Florida has eliminated all it's mandates and the Trump administration is rewriting the child vaccination schedule. Sure seems like DEMOCRACY is winning out over AUTHORITARIANISM .
rule by executive order,
Since before you were born.
intimidation of the press,
Huh?
ICE goon squads,
Got it, so yo think enforcing immigration law is AUTHORITARIANISM. Well, lots of us voted for Trump for the reason that he promised to secure our border and deport the illegals. Seems that is DEMOCRACY
lawfare to persecute political opponents,
Did you miss the Biden years? That has ended.
scapegoating minorities,
huh?
colluding with corrupt media to disseminate propaganda,
Again, Biden. Ended with Trump. DEMOCRACY is winning out over AUTHORITARIANISM .
cancel culture, etc, etc,...
Again, Biden. Ended with Trump.
But let's not pretend. For each and every one of these, you'll have a pre-programmed excuse for why it's different when your side does it. You don't give a **** about good government. You just want to "win" the culture war, even if it destroys our country in the process.
And you are so full of shit, pretending to be above it all. Because if you did care, you would be cheering the Trump administration for restoring DEMOCRACY over AUTHORITARIANISM .
 
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Vaccines have been mandated since before you were born. Good news is that Florida has eliminated all it's mandates and the Trump administration is rewriting the child vaccination schedule. Sure seems like DEMOCRACY is winning out over AUTHORITARIANISM .

Since before you were born.

Huh?

Got it, so yo think enforcing immigration law is AUTHORITARIANISM. Well, lots of us voted for Trump for the reason that he promised to secure our border and deport the illegals. Seems that is DEMOCRACY

Did you miss the Biden years? That has ended.

huh?

Again, Biden. Ended with Trump. DEMOCRACY is winning out over AUTHORITARIANISM .

Again, Biden. Ended with Trump.

And you are so full of shit, pretending to be above it all. Because if you did care, you would be cheering the Trump administration for restoring DEMOCRACY over AUTHORITARIANISM .
Right on cue!
 
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