Tea Party Group Demand Textbooks Say Nice Things About Slave Owners

[WillowTree]

IF the Tea Party isn't racist, why do they want to "whitewash" history?

Why did you indians keep blacks as slaves? Are there any textbooks about that?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

By Trymaine Lee

A little more than a year after the conservative-led state board of education in Texas approved massive changes to its school textbooks to put slavery in a more positive light, a group of Tea Party activists in Tennessee has renewed its push to whitewash school textbooks. The group is seeking to remove references to slavery and mentions of the country's founders being slave owners.

According to reports, Hal Rounds, the Fayette County attorney and spokesman for the group, said during a recent news conference that there has been "an awful lot of made-up criticism about, for instance, the founders intruding on the Indians or having slaves or being hypocrites in one way or another."

"The thing we need to focus on about the founders is that, given the social structure of their time, they were revolutionaries who brought liberty into a world where it hadn't existed, to everybody -- not all equally instantly -- and it was their progress that we need to look at," Rounds said, according to The Commercial Appeal.

During the news conference more than two dozen Tea Party activists handed out material that said, "Neglect and outright ill will have distorted the teaching of the history and character of the United States. We seek to compel the teaching of students in Tennessee the truth regarding the history of our nation and the nature of its government."

And that further teaching would also include that "the Constitution created a Republic, not a Democracy."

The group demanded, as they had in January of last year, that Tennessee lawmakers change state laws governing school curricula. The group called for textbook selection criteria to include: "No portrayal of minority experience in the history which actually occurred shall obscure the experience or contributions of the Founding Fathers, or the majority of citizens, including those who reached positions of leadership."

More: Tea Party Groups In Tennessee Demand Textbooks Overlook U.S. Founder's Slave-Owning History

So you prefer that our Children are Taught that Slave Owners were all evil scum? With no context of the times? How Slaves were Treated, How many Slave Owners Freed there own Slaves?

Are you actually claiming there was nothing at all good to be said about anyone who ever owned a slave?

lol

You cannot compare those times with our times I do not understand why some people try to do it.
Slavery was evil but were all slaves mistreated no they were not some were treated like family given land money and cared for.
Most were treated better than those immigrants in the north.

 

[Sunni Man]

So what the **** are you doing about muslim slavery in africa today bucko?

This was your original statement Tinydancer.

In response to my reply, "There is no Muslim slave trade".

You cut & paste long history lessons about the origins of slavery in Arabia in the 4th century.

Which has nothing to do with today.

Every Islamic country that I am aware of has officially banned slavery and made it a crime.

In essence; your allegations are false, and only serve to show that you hate Islam and dislike Muslims.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

IF the Tea Party isn't racist, why do they want to "whitewash" history?

Why did you indians keep blacks as slaves? Are there any textbooks about that?

Yes they did, plus they kept other Indians, and whites as slaves.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So what the **** are you doing about muslim slavery in africa today bucko?

This was your original statement Tinydancer.

In response to my reply, "There is no Muslim slave trade".

You cut & paste long history lessons about the origins of slavery in Arabia in the 4th century.

Which has nothing to do with today.

Every Islamic country that I am aware of has officially banned slavery and made it a crime.

In essence; your allegations are false, and only serve to show that you hate Islam and dislike Muslims.

Slave trade maybe, but how about your women are they treated as slaves?

 

[Sunni Man]

Slave trade maybe, but how about your women are they treated as slaves?

LOL, mine would get a big laugh if she read your above comment.

 

[tinydancer]

So what the **** are you doing about muslim slavery in africa today bucko?

This was your original statement Tinydancer.

In response to my reply, "There is no Muslim slave trade".

You cut & paste long history lessons about the origins of slavery in Arabia in the 4th century.

Which has nothing to do with today.

Every Islamic country that I am aware of has officially banned slavery and made it a crime.

In essence; your allegations are false, and only serve to show that you hate Islam and dislike Muslims.

Slave trade in the Sudan? You aren't aware of Islam's slave trade in Sudan or Mauritania in the here and now? Hell's bells Saudi Arabia only banished slavery in the 60's.


And need I remind you I am from the land that not only gave you hockey, Justin Beiber ( ok you can be pissed at us for that) but most importantly we gave you Little Mosque on the Prairie.

 

[tinydancer]

I fell into this gem a few days ago.

Even the famous Arab philosopher Ibn Khaldun, expressed racist attitudes toward black Africans: “The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and their proximity to the animal stage,” Khaldun wrote. Another Arab writer, of the 14th Century, asked: “Is there anything more vile than black slaves, of less good and more evil than they?”

 

[tinydancer]

Just for you wikki fans:

According to CBS news, slaves have been sold for $50 apiece. [4]

Writing for The Wall Street Journal on December 12, 2001, Michael Rubin said:
“ What's Sudanese slavery like? One 11-year-old Christian boy told me about his first days in captivity: "I was told to be a Muslim several times, and I refused, which is why they cut off my finger." Twelve-year-old Alokor Ngor Deng was taken as a slave in 1993.

She has not seen her mother since the slave raiders sold the two to different masters. Thirteen-year-old Akon was seized by Sudanese military while in her village five years ago. She was gang-raped by six government soldiers, and witnessed seven executions before being sold to a Sudanese Arab.

Many freed slaves bore signs of beatings, burnings and other tortures. More than three-quarters of formerly enslaved women and girls reported rapes.

While nongovernmental organizations argue over how to end slavery, few deny the existence of the practice. ...[E]stimates of the number of blacks now enslaved in Sudan vary from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands (not counting those sold as forced labour in Libya)...



The issue was the subject of a Channel 4 dramatised documentary, I Am Slave in August 2010, in which none of these religious conflicts were highlighted. [6]

 

[Sunni Man]

Slave trade in the Sudan? You aren't aware of Islam's slave trade in Sudan or Mauritania in the here and now? Hell's bells Saudi Arabia only banished slavery in the 60's.

You keep referring to "Islam's" slave trade.

There is No slave trade in "Islam".

Yes, there are muslim criminals who traffic in humans.

Just like there are criminal Christians and Jews in Europe and even the U.S. who traffic in people.

Again, the official policy and law in every Muslim country that I am aware has criminalized human trafficking.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Slave trade maybe, but how about your women are they treated as slaves?

LOL, mine would get a big laugh if she read your above comment.

Great non answer

Are Arab women treated as slaves?

 

[8537]

I never asserted they were...

No, of course you didn't. You just stated that, like slave owners, pet owners were sometimes nice to their chattel

My point was that the majority of slaves were not abused or neglected...

Owning another human being and removing every last human right is abuse.

Besides, why the **** would a slave owner abuse their assets???

To gain compliance and reduce costs.

 

[Sunni Man]

I fell into this gem a few days ago.

Even the famous Arab philosopher Ibn Khaldun, expressed racist attitudes toward black Africans: “The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and their proximity to the animal stage,” Khaldun wrote. Another Arab writer, of the 14th Century, asked: “Is there anything more vile than black slaves, of less good and more evil than they?”

So you have to dig back 700 years to reinforce you Islamophobic agenda.

Tinydancer you are a very disingenuous person.

Heck, even some of our Founding Fathers held similar views about blacks.

So what's your point, besides you hate Islam??

 

[Sunni Man]

Slave trade maybe, but how about your women are they treated as slaves?

LOL, mine would get a big laugh if she read your above comment.

Great non answer

Are Arab women treated as slaves?

No, arab women are not treated as slaves.

Obviously, you don't personally know any arab muslim women.

Or you wouldn't be making such a sweeping and uneducated comment.

 

[8537]

I believe that this is the poorest or one of the poorest counties in TN. Defending slavery and saying, "well, it wudden so bayud.", is akin to Holocaust denial. If it smells like shit, and looks like shit, it must be shit.

You just want to believe it was horrible brutality.

Claiming ownership of another human being, stripping that person of every single human right, forcing them to serve at your whim, clear your fields and act as their servants without compensation; all the while selling their kin to others, denying their humanity and forcefully preventing them from leaving your land IS horrible brutality.

It's really quite amazing that someone needs to explain this to you.

 

[tinydancer]

So what the **** are you doing about muslim slavery in africa today bucko?

This was your original statement Tinydancer.

In response to my reply, "There is no Muslim slave trade".

You cut & paste long history lessons about the origins of slavery in Arabia in the 4th century.

Which has nothing to do with today.

Every Islamic country that I am aware of has officially banned slavery and made it a crime.

In essence; your allegations are false, and only serve to show that you hate Islam and dislike Muslims.

Cripes. I'm typing on the fly here this morning.

I meant to bring up the Dancing Boys of Afghanistan. In the here and now.

You know the poor little boys who are sold to warlords and are dressed up as females to entertain the wealthy and powerful.

You know bacha bazi. Sexual slavery.

 

[Two Thumbs]

good lord

Why do you give a crap?

you want terrorist to be called insurgents.

The Texas murders, by a terrorist, to be called work place violence.


If the majority of TN want their kids taught a certain, who are you to give a **** if you don't live there?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

LOL, mine would get a big laugh if she read your above comment.

Great non answer

Are Arab women treated as slaves?

No, arab women are not treated as slaves.

Obviously, you don't personally know any arab muslim women.

Or you wouldn't be making such a sweeping and uneducated comment.

Is it OK to lie as a Muslim custom?

How many Arab country's allow women to move about or live on their own?
Can they chose their own husband?
Can they vote?
Can they own property of their own freewill?

 

[Sunni Man]

Cripes. I'm typing on the fly here this morning.

I meant to bring up the Dancing Boys of Afghanistan. In the here and now.

You know the poor little boys who are sold to warlords and are dressed up as females to entertain the wealthy and powerful.

You know bacha bazi. Sexual slavery.

Afghanistan is an American style Democracy where we have given the people full civil rights and Law.

Slavey is 100% a criminal offense. So is pedophilia.

If you are aware of such criminal activity. You should report it to the proper authorities.

 

[tinydancer]

Slave trade in the Sudan? You aren't aware of Islam's slave trade in Sudan or Mauritania in the here and now? Hell's bells Saudi Arabia only banished slavery in the 60's.

You keep referring to "Islam's" slave trade.

There is No slave trade in "Islam".

Yes, there are muslim criminals who traffic in humans.

Just like there are criminal Christians and Jews in Europe and even the U.S. who traffic in people.

Again, the official policy and law in every Muslim country that I am aware has criminalized human trafficking.

From the BBC:

Islamic law clearly recognises that slaves are human beings, but it frequently treats slaves as if they are property, laying down regulations covering the buying and selling of slaves.

It encourages the freeing of slaves, which has the good effect of diminishing the slave population of a culture and, paradoxically, the bad effect of encouraging those whose livelihood depends on slave labour to find new ways of acquiring slaves.


Who can be enslaved

Under Islamic law people can only be legally enslaved in two circumstances:

as the result of being defeated in a war that was legal according to sharia
if they are born as the child of two slave parents

Other legal systems of the time allowed people to be enslaved in a far wider range of circumstances.

The sharia limits were often either ignored or evaded, and many instances of slave trading by Muslims were in fact illegal, but tolerated.

The following groups of people cannot be made slaves:

Free Muslims, but note that:
Slaves who convert to Islam are not automatically freed
Children born to legally enslaved Muslims are also slaves

Dhimmis

Slave rights

Islamic law gives slaves certain rights:

Slaves must not be mistreated or overworked, but should be treated well
Slaves must be properly maintained
Slaves may take legal action for a breach of these rules, and may be freed as a result
Slaves may own property
Slaves may own slaves
Slaves can get married if their owner consents
Slaves may undertake business on the owner's behalf
Slaves guilty of crimes can only be given half the punishment that would be given to a non-slave (although some schools of Islamic law do allow the execution of a slave who commits murder)
A female slave cannot be separated from her child while it is under 7 years old
Female slaves cannot be forced into prostitution

Slave rights to freedom

Islamic law allows slaves to get their freedom under certain circumstances. It divides slaves with the right to freedom into various classes:

The mukatab: a slave who has the contractual right to buy their freedom over time
The mudabbar: a slave who will be freed when their owner dies (this might not happen if the owner's estate was too small)
The umm walid, a female slave who had borne her owner a child

Slaves must accept

Owners are allowed to have sex with their female slaves

Restrictions on slaves

Islamic law imposes many restrictions on slaves:

Slaves cannot carry out some religious roles
Slaves can have only limited authority
Slaves cannot be witnesses in court
Killing a slave does not carry the death penalty in most schools of Islamic law
Slaves are punishable under Islamic law if they commit a crime - although for some major crimes they only receive half the punishment of free people