Taliban killing folks found with bibles on their phones

Christians also faced significant legal persecution under the U.S.-backed government.
 
The Afghan people had every opportunity to build themselves a decent country where atrocity was not a commonplace occurrence. I absolutely hate what is going on there but we could only do so much for them. We gave them back their self determination and this is what they did with it.
 
Twenty years of training the Afgan soldiers and they ran. No snipers to stop the Taliban? No fight to stop them. Twenty years and a trillion dollars later and America learned the same lesson the Russians leaned. Stop pointing fingers, the sane and sensible Afganie should have left that shat hole long ago. This is an example of religious ideology in charge of a nation.
 
Joe Biden is a disgrace. resign now!


Do you actually believe this?

“We’re hearing from reliable sources that the Taliban demand people’s phones, and if they find a downloaded Bible on your device, they will kill you immediately,” said SAT-7 North America President Dr. Rex Rogers told Religion News Service. “It’s incredibly dangerous right now for Afghans to have anything Christian on their phones. The Taliban have spies and informants everywhere.”

Other Christian nonprofits and ministries that specialize in assisting persecuted Christians around the world have been sounding the alarm as well, emphasizing the ruthless nature of Taliban leadership. A Christian contact of one Release International partner described the situation as “dire” in a report published Monday. Release International is a Christian ministry that also assists persecuted Christians around the world.

“Our brothers and sisters in Christ are telling us how afraid they are. In the areas that the Taliban now control girls are not allowed to go to school and women are not allowed to leave their homes without a male companion,” said Micah, a name assigned to him to protect his identity.

Even without the Taliban in power, Afghanistan was the second most dangerous place for Christians to practice their faith, behind North Korea, according to the 2021 version of Open Doors’ World Watch List. Open Doors is a non-profit that monitors Christian persecution and aids its victims. The U.S. State Department similarly described the now-former Afghan government as extremely hostile to Christians.

A Taliban fighter (R) searches the bags of people coming out of the Kabul airport in Kabul on August 16, 2021, after a stunningly swift end to Afghanistan's 20-year war, as thousands of people mobbed the city's airport trying to flee the group's feared hardline brand of Islamist rule. (Photo by Wakil Kohsar / AFP) (Photo by WAKIL KOHSAR/AFP via Getty Images)
A Taliban fighter (R) searches the bags of people coming out of the Kabul airport in Kabul on August 16, 2021, after a stunningly swift end to Afghanistan’s 20-year war, as thousands of people mobbed the city’s airport trying to flee the group’s feared hardline brand of Islamist rule. (Wakil Kohsar/AFP via Getty Images)

In its 2020 Report on International Religious Freedom, the State Department documented widespread death threats against Christians — most commonly from family members — and from officials. Christians in Afghanistan were forced to practice their faith underground and meet with small groups to worship.

Christians also faced significant legal persecution under the U.S.-backed government. Apostacy, the “crime” of renouncing Islam for a different faith, was punishable by death, imprisonment, or confiscation of property. Anyone who preaches another religion is subject to the same punishment. After conversion to a different religion, an individual was given three days to recant before they face punishment for apostasy.

“According to Sunni Hanafi jurisprudence, which the constitution states shall apply ‘if there is no provision in the constitution or other laws about a case,’ beheading is appropriate for male apostates,” the report states, “while life imprisonment is appropriate for female apostates, unless the individual repents.”

The State Department estimated Christians and other minority religious groups made up 0.3 percent of the population, adding that no reliable estimates of the Christian community exist.

Now that the Taliban has seized power again after a 20-year war, Christians who were already being forced to conceal their beliefs for fear of retribution are reportedly being targeted and murdered for their faith.

Afghan university students torch an upside-down cross, along with U.S. and Israeli flags during a demonstration against Israel and the U.S. in Nangarhar province at Jalalabad, Afghanistan, on November 26, 2012. (Noorullah Shirzada/AFP via Getty Images)
Afghan university students torch an upside-down cross, along with U.S. and Israeli flags during a demonstration against Israel and the U.S. in Nangarhar province at Jalalabad, Afghanistan, on November 26, 2012. (Noorullah Shirzada/AFP via Getty Images)

“Secret believers in Afghanistan are especially vulnerable. Prior to Taliban rule, they already had a very difficult time living out their faith, as they had to keep it secret from their families for fear of being shunned, or worse, killed,” said Brother Samuel, Open Doors Field Director for Asia.

“Now that the Taliban is in power, their vulnerability increases tenfold. It would be almost impossible to be a follower of Jesus in this country,” Brother Samuel continued. “We are monitoring the situation, but this is the time for us to ask God to have mercy not only on His people but on this country as a whole.”

The Taliban is infamous for monitoring the social practices of local populations and imposing ruthless punishments based on their interpretation of Islamic Law, or what observers call a “parallel system of justice,” according to the U.S. Department of State’s 2020 Report on International Religious Freedom.

Open Doors noted that though the Taliban has promised a “more modern and reformed approach to government,” fear remains as to how it will impose sharia in the coming days and weeks.

“With the collapse of the government, the expansion of extremism, food shortages and the raging pandemic, Afghanistan needs urgent prayer from the global Church right now, more than ever,” the organization said.
 
Those soldiers weren't trained well. Government knew this all along. Now you cavalierly want to punish the people who came to trust and depended on the US forces being in the country? They had a taste of freedom and then Biden snatches it away and leaves them at the mercy of the stinking taliban while he's on 'vacation'. I think more is going on at Camp David than we know.

I think they're licking their wounds and trying to put a good face on this epic failure. I wonder if we won't see the end of Joe here very soon.
 
Joe Biden is a wicked man who has no problem murdering unborn babies all nine months of pregnancy so of course he doesn't care if Afghan people are murdered for being Christian.
 
Those soldiers weren't trained well. Government knew this all along. Now you cavalierly want to punish the people who came to trust and depended on the US forces being in the country? They had a taste of freedom and then Biden snatches it away and leaves them at the mercy of the stinking taliban while he's on 'vacation'. I think more is going on at Camp David than we know.

I think they're licking their wounds and trying to put a good face on this epic failure. I wonder if we won't see the end of Joe here very soon.

How long do you suppose it would take to train them well? 30 years? 40 years? How did their training differ from the training our soldiers get?
 
When the USA first invaded Afghanistan the people only had a 20-25% literacy rate...

Now they have smartphones and are reading Bibles?
Progress was made...
 
Do you actually believe this?

“We’re hearing from reliable sources that the Taliban demand people’s phones, and if they find a downloaded Bible on your device, they will kill you immediately,” said SAT-7 North America President Dr. Rex Rogers told Religion News Service. “It’s incredibly dangerous right now for Afghans to have anything Christian on their phones. The Taliban have spies and informants everywhere.”

Other Christian nonprofits and ministries that specialize in assisting persecuted Christians around the world have been sounding the alarm as well, emphasizing the ruthless nature of Taliban leadership. A Christian contact of one Release International partner described the situation as “dire” in a report published Monday. Release International is a Christian ministry that also assists persecuted Christians around the world.

“Our brothers and sisters in Christ are telling us how afraid they are. In the areas that the Taliban now control girls are not allowed to go to school and women are not allowed to leave their homes without a male companion,” said Micah, a name assigned to him to protect his identity.

Even without the Taliban in power, Afghanistan was the second most dangerous place for Christians to practice their faith, behind North Korea, according to the 2021 version of Open Doors’ World Watch List. Open Doors is a non-profit that monitors Christian persecution and aids its victims. The U.S. State Department similarly described the now-former Afghan government as extremely hostile to Christians.

A Taliban fighter (R) searches the bags of people coming out of the Kabul airport in Kabul on August 16, 2021, after a stunningly swift end to Afghanistan's 20-year war, as thousands of people mobbed the city's airport trying to flee the group's feared hardline brand of Islamist rule. (Photo by Wakil Kohsar / AFP) (Photo by WAKIL KOHSAR/AFP via Getty Images)
A Taliban fighter (R) searches the bags of people coming out of the Kabul airport in Kabul on August 16, 2021, after a stunningly swift end to Afghanistan’s 20-year war, as thousands of people mobbed the city’s airport trying to flee the group’s feared hardline brand of Islamist rule. (Wakil Kohsar/AFP via Getty Images)

In its 2020 Report on International Religious Freedom, the State Department documented widespread death threats against Christians — most commonly from family members — and from officials. Christians in Afghanistan were forced to practice their faith underground and meet with small groups to worship.

Christians also faced significant legal persecution under the U.S.-backed government. Apostacy, the “crime” of renouncing Islam for a different faith, was punishable by death, imprisonment, or confiscation of property. Anyone who preaches another religion is subject to the same punishment. After conversion to a different religion, an individual was given three days to recant before they face punishment for apostasy.

“According to Sunni Hanafi jurisprudence, which the constitution states shall apply ‘if there is no provision in the constitution or other laws about a case,’ beheading is appropriate for male apostates,” the report states, “while life imprisonment is appropriate for female apostates, unless the individual repents.”

The State Department estimated Christians and other minority religious groups made up 0.3 percent of the population, adding that no reliable estimates of the Christian community exist.

Now that the Taliban has seized power again after a 20-year war, Christians who were already being forced to conceal their beliefs for fear of retribution are reportedly being targeted and murdered for their faith.

Afghan university students torch an upside-down cross, along with U.S. and Israeli flags during a demonstration against Israel and the U.S. in Nangarhar province at Jalalabad, Afghanistan, on November 26, 2012. (Noorullah Shirzada/AFP via Getty Images)
Afghan university students torch an upside-down cross, along with U.S. and Israeli flags during a demonstration against Israel and the U.S. in Nangarhar province at Jalalabad, Afghanistan, on November 26, 2012. (Noorullah Shirzada/AFP via Getty Images)

“Secret believers in Afghanistan are especially vulnerable. Prior to Taliban rule, they already had a very difficult time living out their faith, as they had to keep it secret from their families for fear of being shunned, or worse, killed,” said Brother Samuel, Open Doors Field Director for Asia.

“Now that the Taliban is in power, their vulnerability increases tenfold. It would be almost impossible to be a follower of Jesus in this country,” Brother Samuel continued. “We are monitoring the situation, but this is the time for us to ask God to have mercy not only on His people but on this country as a whole.”

The Taliban is infamous for monitoring the social practices of local populations and imposing ruthless punishments based on their interpretation of Islamic Law, or what observers call a “parallel system of justice,” according to the U.S. Department of State’s 2020 Report on International Religious Freedom.

Open Doors noted that though the Taliban has promised a “more modern and reformed approach to government,” fear remains as to how it will impose sharia in the coming days and weeks.

“With the collapse of the government, the expansion of extremism, food shortages and the raging pandemic, Afghanistan needs urgent prayer from the global Church right now, more than ever,” the organization said.

What's not to believe?
 
When the USA first invaded Afghanistan the people only had a 20-25% literacy rate...

Now they have smartphones and are reading Bibles?
Progress was made...

Just imagine how much more "civilized" they'd be if we had nuked them like we did the Japanese, or firebombed them like we did the German?

That's what we get when we send social workers to a war, instead of cold-blooded killers. Russia failed in Afghanistan, and we failed. Now the Chinese are making passes at them. Let's see how they do.
 
Just imagine how much more "civilized" they'd be if we had nuked them like we did the Japanese, or firebombed them like we did the German?

That's what we get when we send social workers to a war, instead of cold-blooded killers. Russia failed in Afghanistan, and we failed. Now the Chinese are making passes at them. Let's see how they do.
Chinese are too cold to do much...

The "Taliban" by definition is not a truly centralized government. It is tribal governance. A form of oligarchy...but with many more fingers than that. A "council" is in charge...kinda.

We installed a president by means of voting... two things completely not understood by any of the residents. Apprehension is different than comprehension.

China wants to talk to the cat herders and make a deal? Good freaking luck!
They are a "cockroach" type of people...they live on subsistence and scatter in the light.

You might be able to buy a virgin or little boy for 20-40 goats but doing anything substantial just isn't really going to happen.
 
What's not to believe?

How else would Open Door raise money except to hawk Christian persecution?

Christianity in Afghanistan
The Rise of Christianity in the Region of Afghanistan The area which is now known as Afghanistan has a past history of multi-ethnic and religious groups. Today many archeological artifacts attest to the many cultures and religions of its past. The most evident today are those of the Greek and Buddhist period.
 
How else would Open Door raise money except to hawk Christian persecution?

Christianity in Afghanistan
The Rise of Christianity in the Region of Afghanistan The area which is now known as Afghanistan has a past history of multi-ethnic and religious groups. Today many archeological artifacts attest to the many cultures and religions of its past. The most evident today are those of the Greek and Buddhist period.
Actually Moslem religion accepts and respects Moses. It's the other 61 books of the modern Bible they have an issue with since many of their religious laws are based on Old Testament laws found in the Torah.
 

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