Taking calls from my daughter is getting to me...

[iamwhatiseem]

As I have said, my son is a Repiratory care Specialist at a major childrens hospital, and my daughter is a respiratory therapist at a major metro hospital.
She calls after almost every day she works. She gets upset, she is afraid for herself also obviously.
Of the five ICU departments they have, 3 are now all CV-19 patients. Two of their floors are now CV-19 patients. All have advanced cases because they do not accept patients unless their condition is advanced.
People in their 20s and 30s are the worse. It seems that if you are of that age, and you get advanced symptoms, you actually have less of a chance of survival than someone older with advanced symptoms.
She cries daily now, they have to reuse masks over and over, the what ifs when they have to change out of their clothes into their street clothes to go home...what if they didn't get totally clean, what if.... they pass it to their spouse or child...what if....
When a patient is dying, they can only choose one family member to say their goodbyes to. And they are in the room when they do that.



Fuck.

Do you suspect that the cdc is putting out inaccurate figures for the death count to date? If the death count is really less than four thousand, that would mean less than one covid 19 death per hospital in the usa. Do you trust the cdc figure?

No, I am saying the CDC numbers are too low. All I can verify is that in this state, in this major city - what the hospitals are dealing with is much worse than what CDC shows.

...and where would that be?

Indiana

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As I have said, my son is a Repiratory care Specialist at a major childrens hospital, and my daughter is a respiratory therapist at a major metro hospital.
She calls after almost every day she works. She gets upset, she is afraid for herself also obviously.
Of the five ICU departments they have, 3 are now all CV-19 patients. Two of their floors are now CV-19 patients. All have advanced cases because they do not accept patients unless their condition is advanced.
People in their 20s and 30s are the worse. It seems that if you are of that age, and you get advanced symptoms, you actually have less of a chance of survival than someone older with advanced symptoms.
She cries daily now, they have to reuse masks over and over, the what ifs when they have to change out of their clothes into their street clothes to go home...what if they didn't get totally clean, what if.... they pass it to their spouse or child...what if....
When a patient is dying, they can only choose one family member to say their goodbyes to. And they are in the room when they do that.



Fuck.

Do you suspect that the cdc is putting out inaccurate figures for the death count to date? If the death count is really less than four thousand, that would mean less than one covid 19 death per hospital in the usa. Do you trust the cdc figure?

No, I am saying the CDC numbers are too low. All I can verify is that in this state, in this major city - what the hospitals are dealing with is much worse than what CDC shows.

...and where would that be?

Indiana

Indiana? Major city? No such thing.

There have been 49 deaths in Indiana. and all but one have been over the age of 60.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

As I have said, my son is a Repiratory care Specialist at a major childrens hospital, and my daughter is a respiratory therapist at a major metro hospital.
She calls after almost every day she works. She gets upset, she is afraid for herself also obviously.
Of the five ICU departments they have, 3 are now all CV-19 patients. Two of their floors are now CV-19 patients. All have advanced cases because they do not accept patients unless their condition is advanced.
People in their 20s and 30s are the worse. It seems that if you are of that age, and you get advanced symptoms, you actually have less of a chance of survival than someone older with advanced symptoms.
She cries daily now, they have to reuse masks over and over, the what ifs when they have to change out of their clothes into their street clothes to go home...what if they didn't get totally clean, what if.... they pass it to their spouse or child...what if....
When a patient is dying, they can only choose one family member to say their goodbyes to. And they are in the room when they do that.



Fuck.

Do you suspect that the cdc is putting out inaccurate figures for the death count to date? If the death count is really less than four thousand, that would mean less than one covid 19 death per hospital in the usa. Do you trust the cdc figure?

No, I am saying the CDC numbers are too low. All I can verify is that in this state, in this major city - what the hospitals are dealing with is much worse than what CDC shows.

...and where would that be?

Indiana

Indiana? Major city? No such thing.

There have been 49 deaths in Indiana. and all but one have been over the age of 60.

Exactly like I said the numbers are not correct. Last week a 38 year old died. Period.
Right now there is a 29 year old on life support...not in the statistic.
You should read what is posted, just sayin.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As I have said, my son is a Repiratory care Specialist at a major childrens hospital, and my daughter is a respiratory therapist at a major metro hospital.
She calls after almost every day she works. She gets upset, she is afraid for herself also obviously.
Of the five ICU departments they have, 3 are now all CV-19 patients. Two of their floors are now CV-19 patients. All have advanced cases because they do not accept patients unless their condition is advanced.
People in their 20s and 30s are the worse. It seems that if you are of that age, and you get advanced symptoms, you actually have less of a chance of survival than someone older with advanced symptoms.
She cries daily now, they have to reuse masks over and over, the what ifs when they have to change out of their clothes into their street clothes to go home...what if they didn't get totally clean, what if.... they pass it to their spouse or child...what if....
When a patient is dying, they can only choose one family member to say their goodbyes to. And they are in the room when they do that.



Fuck.

Do you suspect that the cdc is putting out inaccurate figures for the death count to date? If the death count is really less than four thousand, that would mean less than one covid 19 death per hospital in the usa. Do you trust the cdc figure?

No, I am saying the CDC numbers are too low. All I can verify is that in this state, in this major city - what the hospitals are dealing with is much worse than what CDC shows.

...and where would that be?

Indiana

Indiana? Major city? No such thing.

There have been 49 deaths in Indiana. and all but one have been over the age of 60.

Exactly like I said the numbers are not correct. Last week a 38 year old died. Period.
Right now there is a 29 year old on life support...not in the statistic.
You should read what is posted, just sayin.

This came from the Indiana Department of Health. Apparently you prefer to go by word of mouth?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

As I have said, my son is a Repiratory care Specialist at a major childrens hospital, and my daughter is a respiratory therapist at a major metro hospital.
She calls after almost every day she works. She gets upset, she is afraid for herself also obviously.
Of the five ICU departments they have, 3 are now all CV-19 patients. Two of their floors are now CV-19 patients. All have advanced cases because they do not accept patients unless their condition is advanced.
People in their 20s and 30s are the worse. It seems that if you are of that age, and you get advanced symptoms, you actually have less of a chance of survival than someone older with advanced symptoms.
She cries daily now, they have to reuse masks over and over, the what ifs when they have to change out of their clothes into their street clothes to go home...what if they didn't get totally clean, what if.... they pass it to their spouse or child...what if....
When a patient is dying, they can only choose one family member to say their goodbyes to. And they are in the room when they do that.



Fuck.

I just talked to my daughter and I think she is taking a leave of absence from her current position and going to NY to help them.

Two fold reason....she wants to help and she wants the experience...plus they are offering 80 grand for 8 weeks.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As I have said, my son is a Repiratory care Specialist at a major childrens hospital, and my daughter is a respiratory therapist at a major metro hospital.
She calls after almost every day she works. She gets upset, she is afraid for herself also obviously.
Of the five ICU departments they have, 3 are now all CV-19 patients. Two of their floors are now CV-19 patients. All have advanced cases because they do not accept patients unless their condition is advanced.
People in their 20s and 30s are the worse. It seems that if you are of that age, and you get advanced symptoms, you actually have less of a chance of survival than someone older with advanced symptoms.
She cries daily now, they have to reuse masks over and over, the what ifs when they have to change out of their clothes into their street clothes to go home...what if they didn't get totally clean, what if.... they pass it to their spouse or child...what if....
When a patient is dying, they can only choose one family member to say their goodbyes to. And they are in the room when they do that.



Fuck.

I just talked to my daughter and I think she is taking a leave of absence from her current position and going to NY to help them.

Two fold reason....she wants to help and she wants the experience...plus they are offering 80 grand for 8 weeks.

Altruism at its best!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

As I have said, my son is a Repiratory care Specialist at a major childrens hospital, and my daughter is a respiratory therapist at a major metro hospital.
She calls after almost every day she works. She gets upset, she is afraid for herself also obviously.
Of the five ICU departments they have, 3 are now all CV-19 patients. Two of their floors are now CV-19 patients. All have advanced cases because they do not accept patients unless their condition is advanced.
People in their 20s and 30s are the worse. It seems that if you are of that age, and you get advanced symptoms, you actually have less of a chance of survival than someone older with advanced symptoms.
She cries daily now, they have to reuse masks over and over, the what ifs when they have to change out of their clothes into their street clothes to go home...what if they didn't get totally clean, what if.... they pass it to their spouse or child...what if....
When a patient is dying, they can only choose one family member to say their goodbyes to. And they are in the room when they do that.



Fuck.

I just talked to my daughter and I think she is taking a leave of absence from her current position and going to NY to help them.

Two fold reason....she wants to help and she wants the experience...plus they are offering 80 grand for 8 weeks.

Altruism at its best!

We are a capitalistic society, if you are going to put your life on the line you might as well be well paid for it. Nurses are woefully underpaid on a normal basis.

 

[EvMetro]

As I have said, my son is a Repiratory care Specialist at a major childrens hospital, and my daughter is a respiratory therapist at a major metro hospital.
She calls after almost every day she works. She gets upset, she is afraid for herself also obviously.
Of the five ICU departments they have, 3 are now all CV-19 patients. Two of their floors are now CV-19 patients. All have advanced cases because they do not accept patients unless their condition is advanced.
People in their 20s and 30s are the worse. It seems that if you are of that age, and you get advanced symptoms, you actually have less of a chance of survival than someone older with advanced symptoms.
She cries daily now, they have to reuse masks over and over, the what ifs when they have to change out of their clothes into their street clothes to go home...what if they didn't get totally clean, what if.... they pass it to their spouse or child...what if....
When a patient is dying, they can only choose one family member to say their goodbyes to. And they are in the room when they do that.



Fuck.

I just talked to my daughter and I think she is taking a leave of absence from her current position and going to NY to help them.

Two fold reason....she wants to help and she wants the experience...plus they are offering 80 grand for 8 weeks.

Altruism at its best!

She will finally get a little coronavirus experience.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

As I have said, my son is a Repiratory care Specialist at a major childrens hospital, and my daughter is a respiratory therapist at a major metro hospital.
She calls after almost every day she works. She gets upset, she is afraid for herself also obviously.
Of the five ICU departments they have, 3 are now all CV-19 patients. Two of their floors are now CV-19 patients. All have advanced cases because they do not accept patients unless their condition is advanced.
People in their 20s and 30s are the worse. It seems that if you are of that age, and you get advanced symptoms, you actually have less of a chance of survival than someone older with advanced symptoms.
She cries daily now, they have to reuse masks over and over, the what ifs when they have to change out of their clothes into their street clothes to go home...what if they didn't get totally clean, what if.... they pass it to their spouse or child...what if....
When a patient is dying, they can only choose one family member to say their goodbyes to. And they are in the room when they do that.



Fuck.

Do you suspect that the cdc is putting out inaccurate figures for the death count to date? If the death count is really less than four thousand, that would mean less than one covid 19 death per hospital in the usa. Do you trust the cdc figure?

No, I am saying the CDC numbers are too low. All I can verify is that in this state, in this major city - what the hospitals are dealing with is much worse than what CDC shows.

...and where would that be?

Indiana

Indiana? Major city? No such thing.

There have been 49 deaths in Indiana. and all but one have been over the age of 60.

Exactly like I said the numbers are not correct. Last week a 38 year old died. Period.
Right now there is a 29 year old on life support...not in the statistic.
You should read what is posted, just sayin.

This came from the Indiana Department of Health. Apparently you prefer to go by word of mouth?

The RT's are on the front line, in the rooms with the patients.
The IDH is a group of bureaucrats who take meetings for a living. So yes, of course, I will obviously believe my own daughter, upset talking to me on the phone after having spent 12 hours with the actual patients.
Pay attention. Nurses and RT's across the country are saying the same thing.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Aw gee... Admiral Rockwell Tory
You can feel better now, the numbers now include the 38 year old that died Sunday.
Gosh, it seems the actual people who worked on him knew about his death before it made it to the list!!!!
How???

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Aw gee... Admiral Rockwell Tory
You can feel better now, the numbers now include the 38 year old that died Sunday.
Gosh, it seems the actual people who worked on him knew about his death before it made it to the list!!!!
How???

What was his comorbidity?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Aw gee... Admiral Rockwell Tory
You can feel better now, the numbers now include the 38 year old that died Sunday.
Gosh, it seems the actual people who worked on him knew about his death before it made it to the list!!!!
How???

What was his comorbidity?

None. As well as the 20 somethings that will be on that list in a few days. Looks like the lists are about 4 days behind.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Aw gee... Admiral Rockwell Tory
You can feel better now, the numbers now include the 38 year old that died Sunday.
Gosh, it seems the actual people who worked on him knew about his death before it made it to the list!!!!
How???

What was his comorbidity?

None. As well as the 20 somethings that will be on that list in a few days. Looks like the lists are about 4 days behind.

You will likely have to wait until the autopsy to find out. I have liver failure, but in the workups for my transplant they discovered I had major blocked arteries in my heart and no indication of there being an issue anywhere. The cardiologist said I could have dropped dead at any time, but 5 stents later he said I could live to be 100.

Today, they tested my blood and found out I do not even qualify for a liver transplant any more, despite my doctor telling me in November that I would need one in 3 months and have Cat IV liver failure! Now I will get checked in 3 months and my or may not have to do anything.

These doctors are shooting blanks in the dark, hoping to hit something, despite not having any real ammunition.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Fighting Gravity "

* Traditional Malpractice *

As I have said, my son is a Repiratory care Specialist at a major childrens hospital, and my daughter is a respiratory therapist at a major metro hospital.

Please convey for me a belief that their profession currently has its head up its ass on this one - Does Sitting Up While On A Ventilator Seem Correct ? .

How Many Die From Medical Mistakes in U.S. Hospitals?

An updated estimate says it could be at least 210,000 patients a year – more than twice the number in the Institute of Medicine’s frequently quoted report, “To Err is Human.”

www.propublica.org

In 2010, the Office of Inspector General for Health and Human Services said that bad hospital care contributed to the deaths of 180,000 patients in Medicare alone in a given year.

 

[Cecilie1200]

As I have said, my son is a Repiratory care Specialist at a major childrens hospital, and my daughter is a respiratory therapist at a major metro hospital.
She calls after almost every day she works. She gets upset, she is afraid for herself also obviously.
Of the five ICU departments they have, 3 are now all CV-19 patients. Two of their floors are now CV-19 patients. All have advanced cases because they do not accept patients unless their condition is advanced.
People in their 20s and 30s are the worse. It seems that if you are of that age, and you get advanced symptoms, you actually have less of a chance of survival than someone older with advanced symptoms.
She cries daily now, they have to reuse masks over and over, the what ifs when they have to change out of their clothes into their street clothes to go home...what if they didn't get totally clean, what if.... they pass it to their spouse or child...what if....
When a patient is dying, they can only choose one family member to say their goodbyes to. And they are in the room when they do that.



Fuck.

Tell your daughter thank you from me for what she is doing, and that I am praying for your family through this. Ben Shapiro said on his show that right now, it's our healthcare workers who are storming the beaches of Normandy for our country, and he isn't wrong.

 

[Cecilie1200]

She has seen death many-many times, but this is different. These are not sick people. They are you and me...they are fine...then not fine. She is used to making people better, or at least alleviating their suffering. But with CV-19, they just get worse and worse and then die. And for no apparent reason, why does one person get better - and another dies...even though the one that got better might be older with some health issues... but the person who dies was 20 years younger and no apparent health issues they can detect.
I myself am having trouble sleeping, she calls around 8pm. And it leaves my head spinning. In my minds eye she is still that little kid. She is in REAL danger and I can't do anything.

Whether it be first responders, the military, or now healthcare workers fighting a pandemic, being the family and emotional support for them is a rough gig (not as rough as theirs, but rough). All you can really do is listen to whatever they need to get off their chests, remind them how much you love them and are proud of them, and how grateful the rest of us are for them.

The downside of raising a child who's smart, competent, and responsible, I guess.

 

[freyasman]

It's a hard world; let the weak fall.

 

[bluzman61]

I am concerned about PTSD for them after this is over.

That may well be an element we will have to deal with. A decent healthcare system would cover required professional psychological aid. Perhaps this situation will provoke a more serious look at things and a more realistic approach.

Perhaps it will provoke a revolution. God knows we need one.

Absolutely, but between the ears, not in the streets.

Fantastic response, thanks.

 

[SweetSue92]

She has seen death many-many times, but this is different. These are not sick people. They are you and me...they are fine...then not fine. She is used to making people better, or at least alleviating their suffering. But with CV-19, they just get worse and worse and then die. And for no apparent reason, why does one person get better - and another dies...even though the one that got better might be older with some health issues... but the person who dies was 20 years younger and no apparent health issues they can detect.
I myself am having trouble sleeping, she calls around 8pm. And it leaves my head spinning. In my minds eye she is still that little kid. She is in REAL danger and I can't do anything.

I don't just say this theoretically. Our son, 23, got pneumonia last May, went septic, and was in the ICU at one time on 5 different antibiotics. He was hospitalized for a week. For about a day there it was touch and go, even with his heart.

In the modern era we take for granted that drs and medical personnel can, and very likely WILL, fix anything. But just a short century ago this was far from a given. You felt grateful if all your babies made it to adulthood. I don't say this by means of diminishing the pain of anyone's family suffering a loss. EVERY loss is a family tragedy. But I think people used to be a lot more familiar with it, anyway, if not reconciled to it.

So here we are, getting familiar with it again. It sucks. But this is the course of human history.

Well it is good that we have far superior health care and we are not use to not being able to fix whatever ails you.
That is what is particularly hard for her. An RT is not someone you want to have to see, if you are seeing an RT usually you have big problems. And she is used to that. Used to people being very sick and, yes, dying. With the virus however, these are normal people. Some are young, and only a week ago they were 100% healthy - and then now they are not. And die. And die a horrible death - alone. Because no family members can see them. And you have to not only be in the same room as they are, but what they have can kill YOU! That is far-far beyond the normal care.

It's awful. The being young and dying suddenly is really awful for all of us in the 21st century. The being young and dying alone is just awful, period, awful, and bothers me most of all. It's a horror among horrors.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Got caught off guard by my son calling, thinking of going to NYC to help and taking the big $$ to do so.
Between his sister and I - we talked him out of it. He specializes in childhood diseases, although a Respiratory Care Specialist... he has spent the last 3 years in a children's hospital. Not only that, but Indy is among the handful of cities the CDC is watching for being the next hot spot.
I don't think I could have taken it.