Question from the forum, answered by my doctor who is an OD

Robert W

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First about my doctor who is an OD doctor.

Is an OD as good as an MD?


Both DOs and MDs are good doctors with professional training. A lot of their training is very similar, and both types of doctor use technology like X-rays and prescriptions. If you went to an MD and a DO, you probably wouldn't notice a lot of differences. In fact, you might not be able to tell the difference at all.Jul 18, 2024

Statement made by a person posting here as put to my doctor.

I copied this totally to forward it to Dr. Cheney.

Dr. Cheney will you read the following and give me your take and advice on getting vaccinated again for CV19?
Robert Whitmore
The new Covid vaccine from MIT solves two problems at once.

First, it is a traditional vaccine, using dead virus, or at least parts of the dead virus that have been removed from the viral capsule. (In this case, the spike protein).

Second, it uses a scaffolding of DNA to prevent the cytokine storm from the immune reaction. The DNA is structured to "mimic" an intact virus, but does not elicit an immune response by itself.

Technically this invention is a new form of "particulate vaccine". It requires knowledge of the antigen conformation in advance. Which, in the case of Covid, was known 30 days after the outbreak.

news.mit.edu
DNA particles that mimic viruses hold promise as vaccines
Using a DNA-based delivery particle, researchers created a vaccine that can induce a strong antibody response against SARS-CoV-2.
news.mit.edu news.mit.edu

Dr. Cheney replied to me:

Bob,

This appears to be ongoing research as there are many people and researchers still investigating COVID and the best techniques for future vaccinations. I would recommend to stay up-to-date on vaccinations of COVID-19 with the approved vaccines. These are available at the pharmacy and I would recommend to get this done and stay up-to-date. As far as in the future if there is any further approved COVID vaccines we can look at them at that time but I would not recommend taking any medications/vaccines that have not been FDA approved.

Dr. Cheney

I told the person saying what I sent to Cheney I would ask my doctor.
 
Sorry, but Dr Cheney needs a little more continuing education on the vaccine. It doesn't use any part of the virus, either living or dead. As a layman, I can understand you not having a fuller understanding of the vaccine, and how it works, but as a doctor, Dr Cheney sucks. He has a responsibility to keep abreast of things like that.
 
First about my doctor who is an OD doctor.

Is an OD as good as an MD?


Both DOs and MDs are good doctors with professional training. A lot of their training is very similar, and both types of doctor use technology like X-rays and prescriptions. If you went to an MD and a DO, you probably wouldn't notice a lot of differences. In fact, you might not be able to tell the difference at all.Jul 18, 2024

Statement made by a person posting here as put to my doctor.

I copied this totally to forward it to Dr. Cheney.

Dr. Cheney will you read the following and give me your take and advice on getting vaccinated again for CV19?
Robert Whitmore
The new Covid vaccine from MIT solves two problems at once.

First, it is a traditional vaccine, using dead virus, or at least parts of the dead virus that have been removed from the viral capsule. (In this case, the spike protein).

Second, it uses a scaffolding of DNA to prevent the cytokine storm from the immune reaction. The DNA is structured to "mimic" an intact virus, but does not elicit an immune response by itself.

Technically this invention is a new form of "particulate vaccine". It requires knowledge of the antigen conformation in advance. Which, in the case of Covid, was known 30 days after the outbreak.

news.mit.edu
DNA particles that mimic viruses hold promise as vaccines
Using a DNA-based delivery particle, researchers created a vaccine that can induce a strong antibody response against SARS-CoV-2.
news.mit.edu news.mit.edu

Dr. Cheney replied to me:

Bob,

This appears to be ongoing research as there are many people and researchers still investigating COVID and the best techniques for future vaccinations. I would recommend to stay up-to-date on vaccinations of COVID-19 with the approved vaccines. These are available at the pharmacy and I would recommend to get this done and stay up-to-date. As far as in the future if there is any further approved COVID vaccines we can look at them at that time but I would not recommend taking any medications/vaccines that have not been FDA approved.

Dr. Cheney

I told the person saying what I sent to Cheney I would ask my doctor.
With all due respect to your Doctor, that sounds like boilerplate from the medical community cow-towing to the mRNA vaccine manufacturers.
 
With all due respect to your Doctor, that sounds like boilerplate from the medical community cow-towing to the mRNA vaccine manufacturers.
Thanks for respecting my doctor. This doctor is fantastic. He is very honest. I asked him for a person posting for professional information. He impressed me by giving it to me after reading the claims by a poster on this forum.
 
Sorry, but Dr Cheney needs a little more continuing education on the vaccine. It doesn't use any part of the virus, either living or dead. As a layman, I can understand you not having a fuller understanding of the vaccine, and how it works, but as a doctor, Dr Cheney sucks. He has a responsibility to keep abreast of things like that.
Why do you say a virus lives? It was a long time back but I asked a nurse once about killing viruses and she defined a virus as a non living thing. My doctor knows just what a virus is.

Viruses are especially difficult to be vaccinated for. I have a nurse daughter who I can ask to get a second opinion from her.
 
Thanks for respecting my doctor. This doctor is fantastic. He is very honest. I asked him for a person posting for professional information. He impressed me by giving it to me after reading the claims by a poster on this forum.
It would have been better if he would have actually known what he was talking about. The covid vaccine doesn't have live or dead virus. Any competent doctor should know that.
 
Why do you say a virus lives? It was a long time back but I asked a nurse once about killing viruses and she defined a virus as a non living thing. My doctor knows just what a virus is.

Viruses are especially difficult to be vaccinated for. I have a nurse daughter who I can ask to get a second opinion from her.

No doubt he knows what a virus is. He just doesn't understand how an mRNA vaccine works.
Great idea. My daughter, the ER trauma doctor is always a good source of information for me.
 
Thanks for respecting my doctor. This doctor is fantastic. He is very honest. I asked him for a person posting for professional information. He impressed me by giving it to me after reading the claims by a poster on this forum.
My doctor has been my PCP for 25 years and is excellent and he has said the same thing to me about Covid vaccines although he is not pushing the boosters. He is also bugging me about the Shingles vaccine.
 
Sorry, but Dr Cheney needs a little more continuing education on the vaccine. It doesn't use any part of the virus, either living or dead. As a layman, I can understand you not having a fuller understanding of the vaccine, and how it works, but as a doctor, Dr Cheney sucks. He has a responsibility to keep abreast of things like that.
bob just made this story up.
 
My doctor has been my PCP for 25 years and is excellent and he has said the same thing to me about Covid vaccines although he is not pushing the boosters. He is also bugging me about the Shingles vaccine.
My daughter is a Registered Nurse and she told me Wednesday that she did what I did and early on got the shots followed by the Booster. My last shot was in december 2021. So I have yet to get Covid. My daughter has 2 children and she has a hunch she got covid from one of them. Her youngest is just now 4 and she has never got the CV shots. And won't get them per my daughter. Her son got the shots and still he got CV19.
 
My daughter is a Registered Nurse and she told me Wednesday that she did what I did and early on got the shots followed by the Booster. My last shot was in december 2021. So I have yet to get Covid. My daughter has 2 children and she has a hunch she got covid from one of them. Her youngest is just now 4 and she has never got the CV shots. And won't get them per my daughter. Her son got the shots and still he got CV19.
No vaccine is 100% effective.
 
No vaccine is 100% effective.
I accept that. Virus are not alive. Never were they alive. It is more like they are a chemical. Vaccines vs a Bacteria is quite different. I think those do stop the disease. Such as I have never had Polio.
 
No doubt he knows what a virus is. He just doesn't understand how an mRNA vaccine works.
Great idea. My daughter, the ER trauma doctor is always a good source of information for me.
I think we who believe doctors are better informed. Why did you say mine does not understand how vaccines work. I can ask him but hate to waste his time.
 
I think we who believe doctors are better informed. Why did you say mine does not understand how vaccines work. I can ask him but hate to waste his time.
He said
"First, it is a traditional vaccine, using dead virus, or at least parts of the dead virus that have been removed from the viral capsule. (In this case, the spike protein)."

The covid vaccines are not traditional vaccines. They don't use dead virus or even parts of them in any way. My previous link explains how the covid vaccines differ from traditional vaccines.
 
I'd get a new Dr

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He said
"First, it is a traditional vaccine, using dead virus, or at least parts of the dead virus that have been removed from the viral capsule. (In this case, the spike protein)."

The covid vaccines are not traditional vaccines. They don't use dead virus or even parts of them in any way. My previous link explains how the covid vaccines differ from traditional vaccines.
Read what he really did say.

Dr. Cheney replied to me:

Bob,

This appears to be ongoing research as there are many people and researchers still investigating COVID and the best techniques for future vaccinations. I would recommend to stay up-to-date on vaccinations of COVID-19 with the approved vaccines. These are available at the pharmacy and I would recommend to get this done and stay up-to-date. As far as in the future if there is any further approved COVID vaccines we can look at them at that time but I would not recommend taking any medications/vaccines that have not been FDA approved.

Dr. Cheney
 
Read what he really did say.

Dr. Cheney replied to me:

Bob,

This appears to be ongoing research as there are many people and researchers still investigating COVID and the best techniques for future vaccinations. I would recommend to stay up-to-date on vaccinations of COVID-19 with the approved vaccines. These are available at the pharmacy and I would recommend to get this done and stay up-to-date. As far as in the future if there is any further approved COVID vaccines we can look at them at that time but I would not recommend taking any medications/vaccines that have not been FDA approved.

Dr. Cheney
Seems silly to belabor the subject much more, so I'll make one final remark and then move on. No available covid vaccine is a traditional vaccine, and to my knowledge there has never been a traditional vaccine for covid. Of course we should stay up to date on covid vaccines, and the doctor should be commended for stating that. My disagreement with him is to the type of vaccine it is. He said traditional. It is not.

The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines differ from traditional vaccines in their use of mRNA, a relatively new technology. Instead of introducing a weakened or an inactivated germ into your body, these vaccines inject mRNA, the genetic material that our cells read to make proteins, into your upper arm muscle.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "mRNA stands for messenger ribonucleic acid and can most easily be described as instructions for how to make a protein or even just a piece of a protein."

 

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