🌮🌮🌮 Trump backs down again! Cancels planned attack on Iran’s oil infrastructure

[Slade3200]

What is with these “Planned Attacks”?

in war, shouldn’t all attacks be surprise attacks?

Just threats. Trump playing the airwaves

 

[kyzr]

Just threats. Trump playing the airwaves

Just heard the main points of "the deal" if they are accurate
Iran's enriched urasnium will be destroyed
Iran will end its nuclear weapons p[rogram
Hormuz will be open
Iran will not fund Hamas or Hezbollah
Doesn't look like a TACO outcome to me, assuming Iran doesn't back out

 

[iamwhatiseem]

You weren’t accurate with your second scenario. It should read “if Trump says he’s going to attack and then back out”

It really should elaborate and say “if Trump threatens to attack and then backs out claiming there’s a deal then decides to attack and then threatens attack and then backs out and says they are close to a deal. But then there’s another attack and Trump threats but then he backs down and claims there’s a deal. Repeat this about 5 more times and we may be close to describing what’s been happening

Nope.
He is being reactionary. Doing what they do. And no doubt it is confusing them.
They are use to Presidents who will sign anything they want, and never keep their word and that President does little about it. That is what they do. And they think they can still do it. And our media is helping them do it by aggrandising the pain it is causing. This is exactly what they want. They want the world to bow down to them over gas prices so they can go back to doing what they want. And they will sacrifice 100'000s of their own to do it.

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump used to brag that he doesn’t give away his plans

HIs strategy seems to be to draw a line in the sand and say if you don’t surrender, this is what will happen

When Iran calls his bluff, he just draws a new line

WAPO ran a cartoon last week of the Mullahs laughing at Trump standing on a beach with lines drawn in the sand, each one with a threat and a TACO attached. I tried to find it again and link it but couldn't find it.

 

[Slade3200]

Just heard the main points of "the deal" if they are accurate
Iran's enriched urasnium will be destroyed
Iran will end its nuclear weapons p[rogram
Hormuz will be open
Iran will not fund Hamas or Hezbollah
Doesn't look like a TACO outcome to me, assuming Iran doesn't back out

it’s nice to see you’ve gained trust in Irans word. How much money is Trump giving them for this?

 

[Dragonlady]

Just heard the main points of "the deal" if they are accurate
Iran's enriched urasnium will be destroyed
Iran will end its nuclear weapons p[rogram
Hormuz will be open
Iran will not fund Hamas or Hezbollah
Doesn't look like a TACO outcome to me, assuming Iran doesn't back out

Those aren't the points that negotiators are saying are in the agreement.

There are no restrictions regarding what Iran does with the money as it concerns their proxies. Iran is not giving up its enriched uranium. The USA is getting nothing, really, other than an end to the war on Iran's terms, and paying them a whole lotta money.

Obama got a MUCH better deal - less money, and not a single shot fired.

 

[Slade3200]

Nope.
He is being reactionary. Doing what they do. And no doubt it is confusing them.
They are use to Presidents who will sign anything they want, and never keep their word and that President does little about it. That is what they do. And they think they can still do it. And our media is helping them do it by aggrandising the pain it is causing. This is exactly what they want. They want the world to bow down to them over gas prices so they can go back to doing what they want. And they will sacrifice 100'000s of their own to do it.

That’s a fun spin. But back in reality land we are just seeing a bully trying to bully another bully and it isn’t going his way so he looks like a fool

 

[kyzr]

it’s nice to see you’ve gained trust in Irans word. How much money is Trump giving them for this?

The WH just said "no dust no cash"
Iran just said "no cash no dust"
So no definite progress, but the outlines are there...

 

[kyzr]

That’s a fun spin. But back in reality land we are just seeing a bully trying to bully another bully and it isn’t going his way so he looks like a fool

How does ending Iran's nuclear weapons program make anyone look like a fool?
If anyone looks foolish it was the dopes who did the time limited JCPOA.

 

[Dragonlady]

I cant disagree

But he’s nevertheless hanging tough

And thats what counts

So clinging to a failed strategy that is endangering the entire world's economy, as well as the lives your troops and your allies, is more important than ending this illegal fiasco before more damage is done.

What counts is ENDING this NOW, before more damage is done, because things are just going from bad to worse, the longer this drags on. Trump's position erodes with every day that passes.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

That’s a fun spin. But back in reality land we are just seeing a bully trying to bully another bully and it isn’t going his way so he looks like a fool

Well, it's been a pattern of Trump for over 50 years, and after all that time...............He still thinks he is a "Jenius".

 

[Dragonlady]

How does ending Iran's nuclear weapons program make anyone look like a fool?
If anyone looks foolish it was the dopes who did the time limited JCPOA.

The JCPOA ended Iran's nuclear weapons program. The ONLY reason Iran has a nuclear weapons program or nuclear "dust" at all, is because Trump tore up that Agreement, and decried Obama returning frozen bank accounts to the Iranians.

Now Trump is touting an agreement to give Iran 10 times the cash that the JPCOA gave them with less protections after billions of dollars spent and lives lost. He should have just stuck with the JPCOA - a better deal you already had, which did more and cost the American people NOTHING.

NOTHING is what Trump got the American people, but in true Trump form, he spent billions of other people's money, to get that NOTHING. And we wonder why Trump holds the world record for bankruptcies and money lost.

 

[Mac-7]

Are you being serious? It’s ok for the president to be erratic as long as he stays tough? What in the world are you talking about?

Its not ok

I would prefer that trump not talk so much

But his performance is strady

 

[Hellokitty]

If Trump doesn't "pay this bill", Iran will continue to keep the Straits closed, and bomb your bases and allies. There is no way Trump can stiff another nation and get away with it.

I don't think TRUMP cares much about the Strait. I wouldn't be surprised if he's allowing it to stay closed to drain the EU.

 

[Hellokitty]

The JCPOA ended Iran's nuclear weapons program. The ONLY reason Iran has a nuclear weapons program or nuclear "dust" at all, is because Trump tore up that Agreement, and decried Obama returning frozen bank accounts to the Iranians.

Now Trump is touting an agreement to give Iran 10 times the cash that the JPCOA gave them with less protections after billions of dollars spent and lives lost. He should have just stuck with the JPCOA - a better deal you already had, which did more and cost the American people NOTHING.

NOTHING is what Trump got the American people, but in true Trump form, he spent billions of other people's money, to get that NOTHING. And we wonder why Trump holds the world record for bankruptcies and money lost.

Why didn't Biden renegotiate the JPCOA, and why did the US pulling out matter? Is France not capable of defending the deal without the US....

 

[iamwhatiseem]

So clinging to a failed strategy that is endangering the entire world's economy, as well as the lives your troops and your allies, is more important than ending this illegal fiasco before more damage is done.

That is what Obama/Kerry/Biden did.
They signed an agreement that 100% was going to lead to Iran having nuclear weapons. PERIOD.
They broke that deal by stockpiling uranium that is very close to weaponized purity. That purity is only used to make a nuke. PERIOD.
And they have been doing it for years. Closer and closer to a nuke.
And you simply want to pretend that away.
PERIOD.

 

[Dragonlady]

If Trump attacks - Democrats: Outrageous!! He is driving up inflation with illegal war!!!!
If Trump does not attack - Democrats: Outrageous!!! He is weak and tacoing!!

Never make a promise you don't keep, and never make a threat you don't follow through on. Both erode your credibility.

If you tell someone, "If you don't turn down the noise and stop the party, I'm calling the cops", and you don't call the cops even though the party continues unabated, do you think that the next time you threaten to call the cops with a noise complaint, that these people are going to take you seriously?

This is the 8th time, Trump has threatened to "destroy" Iran, and then pulled back. NEVER make a threat you don't follow through on. Trump wasn't required to threaten Iran. Nobody forced him to threaten them, but to do so and then pull back is undermining Trump's position and making him look weak and desperate.

 

[Dragonlady]

Why didn't Biden renegotiate the JPCOA, and why did the US pulling out matter? Is France not capable of defending the deal without the US....

Trump threatened to sanction any nation doing business with Iran so no, France, China, Russia, and Great Britain could not just continue the JPCOA without the USA.

Iran refuses to negotiate with any US government because they lied and pulled out of the last Agreement, In addition, Trump assassinated the Iranian Minister of Defence, as well as sanctioning Iran, so NO, Biden couldn't just "renegotiate the JPCOA".

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

That is what Obama/Kerry/Biden did.
They signed an agreement that 100% was going to lead to Iran having nuclear weapons. PERIOD.
They broke that deal by stockpiling uranium that is very close to weaponized purity. That purity is only used to make a nuke. PERIOD.
And they have been doing it for years. Closer and closer to a nuke.
And you simply want to pretend that away.
PERIOD.

YOU, like your gullible dear leader and his regime, listened to this lying , war mongering moron................

 

[Rawley]

What has any US politician obstructed in this war?

War Powers Act?