Kathianne said:Rule #13!
Is this mostly a liberal phenomenon??????
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Kathianne said:Rule #13!
Bonnie said:Is this mostly a liberal phenomenon??????
Kathianne said:Rule #13!
Jimmyeatworld said:Ah, I see. You have to understand, I work nights and this was way early in the day for me. Sometimes it takes a bit for the little stuff to get through. :coffee3:
Bonnie said:Do you think any of this will work it's way into the debates? Or will Bush try to stay above the fray???
ScreamingEagle said:What I get from the liberals is they just want to claim Kerry as a hero and that's all they want anybody to hear. Forget the details! Just believe what we tell you!
spillmind said:forgive me if i don't go through all six pages of liberal hating to post this:
this is an easy one, and it's dead in the water. in fact, it just makes the bush camp look like LIARS, and lower than low!!
1. FACT CHECK: Swift Boat Veterans for Bush, 8/5/04
http://www.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/080504_truth.html
2. McCain Condemns Anti-Kerry Ad, 8/5/04
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=3&u=/ap/20040805/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_mccain
3. Republicans' Dishonorable Charge, 8/6/04
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/08/06/mccain_on_swift_boat_veterans/index_np.html
4. Republican-funded Group Attacks Kerry's War Record, 8/15/04
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231
5. From Bush, Unprecedented Negativity, 5/31/04
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3222-2004May30.html
6. AP, 8/5/04 (McCain); Nebraska State Paper, 8/7/04 (Johanns); MSNBC, Scarborough Country, 8/6/04 (Buchanan)
http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/archives/002445.html#more
7. Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush, 8/10/04
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005460
Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I deplore this kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R) called the ad "trash" and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single charge is substantiated . . . I think the ad is wrong."
this tactic will in your face. it's even appalling that anyone challenge a man WHOSE PARENTS HAD MONEY went over there to fight.
meanwhile, daddy is helping jr. stay out of harm's way, and even the Lord knows bush would never put his life in harm's way, let alone HIS children!! that's what YOUR children are for!
Jimmyeatworld said:Perhaps if you had bothered to read the other six pages, you would have seen that most of what you have here has already been discussed, including the McCain quote.
You spend all that time talking about unsubstaniated charges, then turn around and make an unsubstantiated charge against Bush. Difference is, the charge against Kerry is coming from people who were there, not from some faceless person on a message board.
britinusa said:"Kerry served in Vietnam, Bush didn't. Case closed."
That's all we hear from the Democrats. 15,000 delegates spent four days in Boston celebrating John Kerry's four months in Vietnam; I wonder how many of them supported Bob Dole in '96?
Adolf Hitler fought bravely in WWI. I hear Attilla the Hun and Ghengis Khan were quite brave too. Kerry's brief sojourn in south-east Asia qualifies him for the presidency, right? Does that mean anyone who served longer than four months is more qualified? The SwiftVets, for example. Each of them served at least one 12 month tour of duty. What's that you say, dear Liberal? Kerry has served 19 years in the US Senate? You wouldn't have known that had you watched the convention. The Dems, including Kerry, weren't all that keen on talking about the his long stint (one third of his life) in the Senate, were they?
Unsubstantiated charges? The SwiftVets have already nailed Kerry over his mythical trip to Cambodia, and the bloggers are on the verge of eliminating one of the Band of Brothers, David Alston. More will follow.
August 17, 2004
DAM BREAKS: The L.A. Times has mentioned the Kerry Christmas-in-Cambodia story. On the other hand, according to Times- watcher Patterico, "The article is pro-Kerry spin, pure and simple. The strategy of the article is apparent: before actually setting forth a single detail of the Swift Boat Vets' allegations, the article carefully lays the groundwork to prepare the reader to be skeptical."
He has an extensive critique of the article, which is well worth reading. What's interesting is that this explicitly pro-Kerry oped by Joan Vennochi in the Boston Globe is actually more honest and straightforward in its reporting of the facts:
Kerry's statements about Cambodia do have traction for opponents. He has referred to spending Christmas or Christmas Eve 1968 in Cambodia and coming under fire. At the time Cambodia was neutral and supposedly off-limits to US troops. "I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia," Kerry said in 1986 at a Senate committee hearing on US policy toward Central America. "I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there, the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me."
The Kerry campaign now says Kerry's runs into Cambodia came in early 1969. "Swift boat crews regularly operated along the Cambodian border from Ha Tien on the Gulf of Thailand to the rivers of the Mekong south and west of Saigon," Michael Meehan, a Kerry adviser, said in a statement last week. "Many times he was on or near the Cambodian border and on one occasion crossed into Cambodia at the request of members of a special operations group."
Answers like that aren't good enough. Kerry put his Vietnam service before voters as the seminal character issue of his presidential campaign. He should answer every question voters have about it -- and he should answer them himself.
It's an interesting commentary, when partisan opeds provide less spin -- even on behalf of their own team -- than ostensible "news" stories do.
More thoughts on the L.A. Times coverage here: "Incredibly, the LAT ignores the fact that the Kerry camp has already admitted that Sen. Kerry has 'misremembered' the dates of his alleged forays past the Cambodian border."
It's hard to keep up with your guy's latest spin points in this Internet era. I'm not surprised at the spin myself, but spin is better than a blackout.
posted at 07:01 AM by Glenn Reynolds
Kathianne said:The bloggers are going to push this into the mainstream media, the same way they did Trent Lott's gaffe. It's beginning to 'crack'. You will have to click to get to the articles:
INSTAPUNDIT
britinusa said:If the LMM do cover this story, they'll spin it just like the LA Times did.
It's so frustrating. Kerry lied. He didn't go to Cambodia. We know it, the media knows it. The New York Times knows it, the Washington Post knows it. Dan Rather, Peter Jennings and Tom Brokaw (The Three Stooges) all know it. But they also know that if they set aside their liberal bias and do their jobs, Kerry is finished.
It's not going to happen.
Kathianne said:You may be right, I think they will try to do what the LA Times did, but too many influential folk are no longer relying on the traditional media-which I believe the media is beginning, mind you, just beginning to get.
Bonnie said:Am looking for figures on this but I believe viewership on the 3 main network news stations has dwindled to 28% and steadily falling
dilloduck said:I'm afraid that Kerry could give a televised campaign speech admitting that he "exagerrated" the whole swift boat episode and no one would care .
Kathianne said::scratch: Exaggeration would be one thing, many do that, this guy out and out lied.
Usually more is demanded from someone running for president.
dilloduck said:The operative word being "usually" I assume ? :funnyface
Bonnie said:The unfortunate thing about this is I think you could put CoCo the Guerilla to run on the Dem ticket and he would still be considered a viable option. I look at Kerry and to me he is a complete joke as a candidate, and what's more absurd is the serious credence journalists give him.