Susan Rice Said Yesterday On MSNBC That Obama Ordered Intel Collection In January. Trump Was Right

[mudwhistle]

Bulldog is a very apt screen name for you. You are so well trained by the radical left.

I'm glad you approve. I noticed you weren't able to answer my question.

Now you are seeing a liberal , showing FAUX indignation about her/his/its side being found wrong.

How to spot a sociopath - 10 red flags that could save you from being swept under the influence of a charismatic nut job

#5) Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.
9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

No indignation. I was actually quite courteous. Still no answer to my question though

The answer to your question is it is absurd. No one with any brains thinks Big Ears was only after the Russians.

Yes. It is absurd to think Trump or anyone who happened to be in his building should be immune to standard security procedures. What proof do you have that Obama ordered surveillance on trump ,since the president doesn't have the authority to do that? Do you think he hired outside contractors to do that, or did the entire security apparatus just decide to break the law?

He didn't have to. Susan Rice said Obama ordered that the collected intelligence be made available and it was in January which then magically got leaked to the press.

 

[mudwhistle]

I'm glad you approve. I noticed you weren't able to answer my question.

Now you are seeing a liberal , showing FAUX indignation about her/his/its side being found wrong.

How to spot a sociopath - 10 red flags that could save you from being swept under the influence of a charismatic nut job

#5) Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.
9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

No indignation. I was actually quite courteous. Still no answer to my question though

The answer to your question is it is absurd. No one with any brains thinks Big Ears was only after the Russians.

Yes. It is absurd to think Trump or anyone who happened to be in his building should be immune to standard security procedures. What proof do you have that Obama ordered surveillance on trump ,since the president doesn't have the authority to do that? Do you think he hired outside contractors to do that, or did the entire security apparatus just decide to break the law?

Surveillance needs court order, court order needs probable cause.... you trumpanzees are barking up the wrong tree.
When we do find out why he was being surveillanced, we will also find out about impeachment proceedings.

Sorry, but the regulations were so relaxed that all Susan Rice had to do was say "This is a matter of national security" without a warrant and she got what she needed. Remember, she was representing Obama. This is all on record. That's how Nunes found out Susan Rice did it.

 

[GaryDog]

'Denials Don't Add Up'

Susan Rice's alleged unmasking requests not so routine, ex-officials say

"While Susan Rice is defending as routine her requests for the identities of Americans caught up in surveillance of foreign targets, others who’ve served in the intelligence community and at high levels of government say the former national security adviser's requests were quite unusual."

“The national security adviser person is a manager position, not an analyst position,” he said. “You have analysts in the intelligence community whose job is to sort through who is doing what with what. Susan Rice is a senior manager looking over the entire intelligence community. She should not have time to be unmasking individuals having conversations. It’s insane. It’s never done.”

And your sources is a former CIA analyst and a retired Lt. Col. LMAO, meanwhile, all active intelligence officials higher up agree it was routine, as does General Hayden and others.

The Bogus Susan Rice Story Shows How Desperate the White House Is Getting


I asked retired Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden, former director of the National Security Agency, whether it’s unlawful or even unusual for someone in Rice’s position to ask the NSA to unmask the names of Americans caught up in intercepts. He replied, in an email, “Absolutely lawful. Even somewhat routine.”

There would have been no intelligence need for Susan Rice to ask for identities to be unmasked. If there had been a real need to reveal the identities — an intelligence need based on American interests — the unmasking would have been done by the investigating agencies. The national-security adviser is not an investigator. She is a White House staffer. The president’s staff is a consumer of intelligence, not a generator or collector of it. If Susan Rice was unmasking Americans, it was not to fulfill an intelligence need based on American interests; it was to fulfill a political desire based on Democratic-party interests.

"Unmasking" is not investigation. It's getting clarification on already-gathered intelligence.

I don't know how this isn't obvious. Regardless, the NSA isn't prohibited from investigation or unmasking, and she wouldn't know the identities of the people involved, so it could hardly be politically motivated.

 

[mudwhistle]

So Trump was right. Susan Rice admits in this interview that President Obama ordered in January this year the compilation of the reports that Susan Rice used to unmask Trump officials. She admits this 7 mins into this interview. A couple of weeks ago Susan Rice claimed this didn't happen.

Obama ordered this and whoever orders the unmasking of Americans would be the only person that would see the results, according to Susan Rice.



So Trump was fundamentally correct when he tweeted that Obama wiretapped him.....of course at the time Trump didn't know how. Evelyn Farkas said that they needed to collect all of this 'good intelligence' to keep Trump from finding out how. No we know.

No Trump fundamentally lied about all of it.

What is wrong with Republicans that they look at evidence that their President colluded with Russia to overturn the will of the American people and elect a pro-Putin government and they want to arrest the people who are warning them of this danger?

They found absolutely no evidence of that. Quit lying.

 

[GaryDog]

Still waiting for ANY TRUMPANZEES TO CONFIRM THIS:

 

[mudwhistle]

Susan Rice is a well known political operative...of course we believe every word she says....

The only people conservatives believe, are those who say what they WANT them to say. That's why they had 7 Benghazi Investigations - because none of the witnesses and none of the reports said what Republicans wanted it to say: That it was Hillary's fault and she lied.

Every time information comes out about collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, it has not been favourable to Trump or members of his inner circle. Your response is always that everyone is lying.

Your knee jerk response is that someone you don't like is lying. That's mature of you. First off, calling Democrats liars is the go-to Republican response.

Why are you so unwilling to look at evidence that Trump worked with Putin and the Russians to get elected so that both Putin and Trump could get richer.

That big oil deal that Tillerson negotiated with Putin and which Obama killed, devastating the Russian economy - remember that one? Trump is getting a percentage of that deal. The greedy old pig sold out his country for a percentage.

No evidence of collusion has been found.
That is simply a media generated rumor to explain Hillary's defeat.

 

[mudwhistle]

Still waiting for ANY TRUMPANZEES TO CONFIRM THIS:

What does tapp mean to you?

 

[easyt65]

Unfortunately, there seems to be sufficient gray area on "unmasking" to not necessarily be criminal just an egregious abuse of power... certainly impeachable though...

On Susan Rice, the Issue Is Abuse of Power, Not Criminality

Appropriate use of the term 'Impeachable'. I heard in a discussion today that it is possible to still Impeach EX-President Obama, even now that he is out of office. Such a move would purely be symbolic in an attempt to hold him accountable for the criminal rogue holdovers from his administration and the act that began under his Presidency.

Potential Consequences:

Charged with a crime:
Forget about it - never going to happen.

Impeached:
Again, NOT going to happen no matter what the evidence.

Censured.
Highly more likely if anything...though I doubt it

 

[Markle]

Indeed, and it's why they're so ******* butthurt and defensive. They know the best defense is a good offense, so they're attacking the routine measures by Rice as somehow illegal, when it's likely that the Trump team was acting illegally (hence they were caught up in surveillance.)

You're amusing. Right now Progressives are playing defense like the San Francisco 49ers. Total losers. Every time they claim President Donald Trump is lying (Petulant former President Obama tapping Trump Towers) it turns out to be true and then they go scrambling. How or why they put Susan Rice out in front again, with her record as a serial liar, is anyone's guess.

Progressives may want to start saving some of their powder as they are being proven wrong fast and faster.

 

[GaryDog]

Still waiting for ANY TRUMPANZEES TO CONFIRM THIS:

What does tapp mean to you?

"Tapp" means ******* nothing because this illiterate piece of shit can't spell.

"Tap" means to electronically record his phone conversations via a recording device on his phones, at Trump Tower.

 

[GaryDog]

Indeed, and it's why they're so ******* butthurt and defensive. They know the best defense is a good offense, so they're attacking the routine measures by Rice as somehow illegal, when it's likely that the Trump team was acting illegally (hence they were caught up in surveillance.)

You're amusing. Right now Progressives are playing defense like the San Francisco 49ers. Total losers. Every time they claim President Donald Trump is lying (Petulant former President Obama tapping Trump Towers) it turns out to be true and then they go scrambling. How or why they put Susan Rice out in front again, with her record as a serial liar, is anyone's guess.

Progressives may want to start saving some of their powder as they are being proven wrong fast and faster.

Defense over what? Nothing Rice did was illegal, unethical, or even out of the ordinary, per all the major intelligence officials.

 

[gipper]

Indeed, and it's why they're so ******* butthurt and defensive. They know the best defense is a good offense, so they're attacking the routine measures by Rice as somehow illegal, when it's likely that the Trump team was acting illegally (hence they were caught up in surveillance.)

You're amusing. Right now Progressives are playing defense like the San Francisco 49ers. Total losers. Every time they claim President Donald Trump is lying (Petulant former President Obama tapping Trump Towers) it turns out to be true and then they go scrambling. How or why they put Susan Rice out in front again, with her record as a serial liar, is anyone's guess.

Progressives may want to start saving some of their powder as they are being proven wrong fast and faster.

They have to attack Trump, to cover for the criminality committed by their Messiah.

 

[mudwhistle]

Still waiting for ANY TRUMPANZEES TO CONFIRM THIS:

What does "tapp" mean?

TAPP
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TAPP

 

[GaryDog]

Still waiting for ANY TRUMPANZEES TO CONFIRM THIS:

What does "tapp" mean?

TAPP
Also found in: Dictionary.
Acronym Definition
TAPP Teacher Alternative Preparation Program
TAPP Technical Assistance for Public Participation
TAPP The Alan Parsons Project (band)
TAPP Thermochemical and Physical Properties
TAPP transabdominal pre-peritoneal
TAPP The Art of Positive Parenting (parenting support/education for at-risk families)
TAPP Tumaini AIDS Prevention Program
TAPP Technical Assistance for Parents Program
TAPP Time and Attendance, Payroll, and Personnel
TAPP Transportable Assemblage Perimeter Protection
TAPP Total Access Partner Program (Adtran)
TAPP Tasks, Appointments, Priorities, and People (management book)
TAPP Technical Assistance for Programs by Programs (Southeastern Network of Youth and Family Services; Florida)

TAPP

Do you have a head injury?

 

[GaryDog]

Indeed, and it's why they're so ******* butthurt and defensive. They know the best defense is a good offense, so they're attacking the routine measures by Rice as somehow illegal, when it's likely that the Trump team was acting illegally (hence they were caught up in surveillance.)

You're amusing. Right now Progressives are playing defense like the San Francisco 49ers. Total losers. Every time they claim President Donald Trump is lying (Petulant former President Obama tapping Trump Towers) it turns out to be true and then they go scrambling. How or why they put Susan Rice out in front again, with her record as a serial liar, is anyone's guess.

Progressives may want to start saving some of their powder as they are being proven wrong fast and faster.

They have to attack Trump, to cover for the criminality committed by their Messiah.

lol @ "Criminality"

What does it take for you to admit you were conned by Trump? I'm starting to wonder if even Trump himself could admit to lying, and you'd buy it.

 

[KeiserC]

'Denials Don't Add Up'

Susan Rice's alleged unmasking requests not so routine, ex-officials say

"While Susan Rice is defending as routine her requests for the identities of Americans caught up in surveillance of foreign targets, others who’ve served in the intelligence community and at high levels of government say the former national security adviser's requests were quite unusual."

“The national security adviser person is a manager position, not an analyst position,” he said. “You have analysts in the intelligence community whose job is to sort through who is doing what with what. Susan Rice is a senior manager looking over the entire intelligence community. She should not have time to be unmasking individuals having conversations. It’s insane. It’s never done.”

And your sources is a former CIA analyst and a retired Lt. Col. LMAO, meanwhile, all active intelligence officials higher up agree it was routine, as does General Hayden and others.

The Bogus Susan Rice Story Shows How Desperate the White House Is Getting


I asked retired Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden, former director of the National Security Agency, whether it’s unlawful or even unusual for someone in Rice’s position to ask the NSA to unmask the names of Americans caught up in intercepts. He replied, in an email, “Absolutely lawful. Even somewhat routine.”

There would have been no intelligence need for Susan Rice to ask for identities to be unmasked. If there had been a real need to reveal the identities — an intelligence need based on American interests — the unmasking would have been done by the investigating agencies. The national-security adviser is not an investigator. She is a White House staffer. The president’s staff is a consumer of intelligence, not a generator or collector of it. If Susan Rice was unmasking Americans, it was not to fulfill an intelligence need based on American interests; it was to fulfill a political desire based on Democratic-party interests.

"Unmasking" is not investigation. It's getting clarification on already-gathered intelligence.

I don't know how this isn't obvious. Regardless, the NSA isn't prohibited from investigation or unmasking, and she wouldn't know the identities of the people involved, so it could hardly be politically motivated.

Try reading that again .... I think you missed the essence of it....

 

[KeiserC]

What Rice did may not have been 'criminal' but was an egregious abuse of power!!!!

 

[GaryDog]

'Denials Don't Add Up'

Susan Rice's alleged unmasking requests not so routine, ex-officials say

"While Susan Rice is defending as routine her requests for the identities of Americans caught up in surveillance of foreign targets, others who’ve served in the intelligence community and at high levels of government say the former national security adviser's requests were quite unusual."

“The national security adviser person is a manager position, not an analyst position,” he said. “You have analysts in the intelligence community whose job is to sort through who is doing what with what. Susan Rice is a senior manager looking over the entire intelligence community. She should not have time to be unmasking individuals having conversations. It’s insane. It’s never done.”

And your sources is a former CIA analyst and a retired Lt. Col. LMAO, meanwhile, all active intelligence officials higher up agree it was routine, as does General Hayden and others.

The Bogus Susan Rice Story Shows How Desperate the White House Is Getting


I asked retired Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden, former director of the National Security Agency, whether it’s unlawful or even unusual for someone in Rice’s position to ask the NSA to unmask the names of Americans caught up in intercepts. He replied, in an email, “Absolutely lawful. Even somewhat routine.”

There would have been no intelligence need for Susan Rice to ask for identities to be unmasked. If there had been a real need to reveal the identities — an intelligence need based on American interests — the unmasking would have been done by the investigating agencies. The national-security adviser is not an investigator. She is a White House staffer. The president’s staff is a consumer of intelligence, not a generator or collector of it. If Susan Rice was unmasking Americans, it was not to fulfill an intelligence need based on American interests; it was to fulfill a political desire based on Democratic-party interests.

"Unmasking" is not investigation. It's getting clarification on already-gathered intelligence.

I don't know how this isn't obvious. Regardless, the NSA isn't prohibited from investigation or unmasking, and she wouldn't know the identities of the people involved, so it could hardly be politically motivated.

Try reading that again .... I think you missed the essence of it....

No, I think YOU did. It was within her prerogative to request the identities of those being surveilled, and to do so is routine. It's certainly not illegal, and it's not even CLOSE to being within the same universe of Trump's allegation that "Obama wiretapped me".

THAT'S your ******* essence.

 

[GaryDog]

What Rice did may not have been 'criminal' but was an egregious abuse of power!!!!

Not according to General Hayden, and a slew of other people who actually know shit.

You, on the other hand, don't know shit.

 

[KeiserC]

What Rice did may not have been 'criminal' but was an egregious abuse of power!!!!

Not according to General Hayden, and a slew of other people who actually know shit.

You, on the other hand, don't know shit.

The allegation against Rice and the Obama administration is that the unmasking of Trump-campaign and transition officials appears — cumulatively, and probably in many specific instances of it — to have run afoul of minimization instructions. These instructions are proposed by the Justice Department and ordered by the FISA court.