Suprised that all the talk of religion.....Islam

I agree with your sentiments but I don't hear much of what you are saying in the news - mostly on this messageboard.

According to the UN, the number of people displaced by conflict is over 60 million - a record number, and many of those conflicts receive little attention.

60 Million People Displaced By World Conflicts U.N. Refugee Agency Says NPR
At least since the U.N. Refugee Agency started counting more than half-a-century ago. The report says that if these nearly 60 million people were a nation, it would be the 24th largest in the world. Half of the refugees are children. There's been a 31 percent jump in refugees in Asia where Rohingya Muslims have been fleeing Myanmar only to become the victims of human traffickers. Between Syria and Iraq, some 15 million people have been uprooted. Turkey is now the biggest host country for refugees, followed by Pakistan and Lebanon. Michele Kelemen, NPR News, Washington.


This is 2012, but the situation has not changed all that much in those regions.

Top 10 neglected refugee crises
Eritrean refugees in eastern Sudan: Eritreans have been crossing into eastern Sudan since their country started to agitate for independence from Ethiopia in the 1960s and, more recently, to escape Eritrea’s policy of indefinite military conscription. Currently, about 66,000 Eritreans are living in refugee camps in Gedaref, Kassala and Red Sea states, which are among the poorest parts of Sudan, and a further 1,600 cross the border every month. Many of the newer arrivals view Sudan as a transit country, continuing north with the goal of reaching Europe or Israel. This has made them a target for abuse by smugglers and human traffickers. Those who remain in Sudan cannot legally own land or property and struggle to find jobs in the formal sector...

Sudanese refugees in South Sudan: Over the past 18 months, an estimated 170,000 people have fled conflict between Sudanese government forces and the Sudan People's Liberation Movement-North in Sudan’s Blue Nile and South Kordofan states, pouring into South Sudan's Upper Nile and Unity states. Humanitarian agencies are bracing for a further influx once the rainy season comes to an end and impassable roads reopen. Aid workers fear that swelling refugee numbers, flooding and disease outbreaks could aggravate the crisis, and UNHCR is urgently appealing for an additional US$20 million to man

Sudanese refugees in Chad: Nearly a decade of conflict in Sudan's western Darfur region displaced some 1.8 million Sudanese. Of these, more than 264,000 fled into neighbouring Chad, where they continue to live in 12 camps along the country’s eastern border with Sudan. Chad is one of the world's poorest countries and, according to UNHCR, the working environment is “extremely challenging” due to the region’s lack of infrastructure and natural resources...

IDPs in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC): Defections from the Congolese army, which gave rise to the M23 armed group, have led to a resumption of violence in the DRC's North Kivu Province in the last six months. More than 260,000 people have been displaced so far, according to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. A further 68,000 have fled to neighbouring Uganda and Rwanda. The IDPs are living in dozens of makeshift camps across the province, where aid agencies are providing shelter, protection, food and health services, despite a severe funding shortfall and recurrent attacks on aid workers. The new wave of IDPs adds to the 1.7 million already internally displaced in the country, according to UNHCR.

This conflict is one of the longest running and most brutal conflicts in modern times - certainly as brutal as ISIS but little attention is given to it. Women, children (boys,, girls, infants) are brutally raped often neccessitating extensive reconstructive surgery to regain some normalicy - assuming they survive. Child soldiers are common.


Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh: Muslims from Myanmar’s western Rakhine State - commonly referred to as the Rohingya - are an ethnic minority that has endured systemic discrimination and abuse over the past five decades, including being stripped of their citizenship under a 1982 law. Over the past 50 years, thousands have fled the country, the vast majority to Bangladesh. UNHCR has not been permitted to register new arrivals since mid-1992, but it estimates that there are more than 200,000 Rohingya in the country’s southeast...

Tamil refugees in India: More than three years after the end of Sri Lanka’s protracted civil war, there are more than 100,000 ethnic Tamil Sri Lankans in the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu, including 68,000 in 112 government-run camps...

Afghan refugees in Iran: Afghanistan is the source of one of the world’s largest and most protracted refugee crises, with waves of refugees fleeing the country after the 1979 Soviet invasion, then during Taliban rule in the 1990s, and finally during the last decade of conflict between US-led forces and Taliban insurgents. While much has been written about the 2.7 million Afghan refugees in Pakistan, the presence of some 900,000 registered refugees and 1.4 million unregistered Afghans in neighboring Iran has received less attention...

Horn of Africa refugees in Yemen: Yemen has long been a transit country for migrants trying to reach Saudi Arabia in search of work, but since 2006 it has also become home to increasing numbers of refugees from Somalia, Ethiopia and Eritrea. Despite conflict, poverty and a sometimes xenophobic environment in Yemen, a record 103,000 refugees and migrants arrived in 2011, bringing the total number of registered refugees to 230,000, in addition to an estimated 500,000 migrants...

Malian IDPs and refugees in neighbouring countries: During and after the April takeover of northern Mali by Tuareg rebels, who were quickly supplanted by Islamist groups, some 34,977 Malians escaped to Burkina Faso, 108,942 fled to Mauritania and 58,312 went to Niger. Some 118,000 Malians have been internally displaced, 35,300 of them within the north itself, in the regions of Kidal, Gao and Timbuktu...

IDPs in Colombia: Since the start of the conflict between the Colombian government and armed Marxist guerrillas in the mid-1960s, the threat of violence has forced millions to abandon their homes. Indigenous and Afro-Colombian populations living in remote, rural areas have been particularly affected. The government puts the number of IDPs at 3.6 million, but several NGOs estimate the figure is closer to 5 million, pointing out that many of those displaced have not been officially registered...​

That's as of 2012. Just last week I listened to a story on Haiti and the Dominican Republic where mass deportation of Dominicans of Haitian ancestery, as well as their decendents will be stripped of legal status and citizenship and deported to Haiti.

There are ongoing conflicts in South America and Mexico sending floods of migrants over the border into the US - most of them children. In fact the drug wars in Mexico have been ongoing for decades, cost thousands of lives, people killed brutally and horribly to make a point. The conflict in Ukraine has displaced over 3,000 people.

But no one pays attention to these conflicts. If you start a thread on anything to do with Islam or IP it goes on to perpetuity. Start a thread on the violence in Mexico (such as the bus load of young students massacred, burned, and buried in an anonymous grave) or the plight of the Rohinga or the Congo or the refugee crisis in Ukraine and it dies.

Waiting for others to post news on the message boards is just lazy, so is expecting to hear news on the radio.

I've posted threads on the Congo, Mexico, the Rohinga multiple times. The radio is a perfectly legitimate source of news - as much as newspapers, television or the internet. What are you waiting for?

Radio is not about in depth knowledge but inciting anger towards someone or something. It is not about solutions but about blame. Headlines are not news. Talking heads are not news.

That depends on what you listen to. The stories I listen to are covered in depth, from a variety of viewpoints on both sides and often will discuss the historical background of a conflict. They don't focus on sensationalism, blood and blame because most conflicts aren't that black and white. That is why I like to listen - I end up learning a lot. Maybe you are making a lot of assumptions here.

Do you actually know about the places in the congo (there are two countries), myanmar or mexico you hear about on the radio? Do you actually know anything about the people involved? Do you understand the politics? do you know why the problems exist, or just that there is problem? Did you get involved in the solution or just pass on the rants and disinformation and feeds the problems?

When I don't know, I try to research. I try to understand the conflict and both sides.

What do you do Aris? Do you just just pass on the rants and disinformation and feed the problems?

Even living where I did, I was always learning from people as well as anything I could get my hands on. I have done a lot of research both as part of my job and because I cared. I am still researching on ways to help. I am in touch with those who are effected. I might not be able to physically get involved in helping any more, but I can through education and information. I can't travel half way around the world any more, but I used to. I've help those in africa, asia and the middle east. I've traveled and gotten to know the people around the world. South and Central American is not a major part of my knowledge base, but many of the problems and solution can be applied.

I've worked in refugee camps. I help people in africa. I've been involved in rescues in asia. I've been involved in both medical and hospice care. I've studied and taught about the world history, politics and religion. I've been involved in negotiation and politics. I've researched, written, organized and participated. Now I am limited to a computer. I've seen war and disasters from both sides. Now I can neither speak or travel the way I used to. I am not ideal though. My fingers are my voice. In more ways than most I have BTDT. I am still from where I live help those that suffer. I would like more people to want to get involved not because they should or because it looks good but because they care.

I've seen how lives can be changed and many mistakes made in the past. I have tried to inspire my children and seen them grow on their own into amazing people. Now I hope my grandchildren will find their own way to help others.

No, I don't just rant. I have strong opinions, as do most people by a certain age, but I have based my opinions on knowledge and experience as much as possible. I hope I will continue to help, share and motivate others till my last days. I don't have the patience of youth but I keep trying.

Thank you...

Not everyone has the world experience you do, but that doesn't mean we're ignorant or idiots or don't care.

Others do care you know - whether it's through the charities they support or the work they physically do, in small or large ways. We may not agree (in fact seldom) but I do take the time to try to understand both sides of the issues and avoid propoganda that is rampant on all sides.
 
Waiting for others to post news on the message boards is just lazy, so is expecting to hear news on the radio.

I've posted threads on the Congo, Mexico, the Rohinga multiple times. The radio is a perfectly legitimate source of news - as much as newspapers, television or the internet. What are you waiting for?

Radio is not about in depth knowledge but inciting anger towards someone or something. It is not about solutions but about blame. Headlines are not news. Talking heads are not news.

That depends on what you listen to. The stories I listen to are covered in depth, from a variety of viewpoints on both sides and often will discuss the historical background of a conflict. They don't focus on sensationalism, blood and blame because most conflicts aren't that black and white. That is why I like to listen - I end up learning a lot. Maybe you are making a lot of assumptions here.

Do you actually know about the places in the congo (there are two countries), myanmar or mexico you hear about on the radio? Do you actually know anything about the people involved? Do you understand the politics? do you know why the problems exist, or just that there is problem? Did you get involved in the solution or just pass on the rants and disinformation and feeds the problems?

When I don't know, I try to research. I try to understand the conflict and both sides.

What do you do Aris? Do you just just pass on the rants and disinformation and feed the problems?

Even living where I did, I was always learning from people as well as anything I could get my hands on. I have done a lot of research both as part of my job and because I cared. I am still researching on ways to help. I am in touch with those who are effected. I might not be able to physically get involved in helping any more, but I can through education and information. I can't travel half way around the world any more, but I used to. I've help those in africa, asia and the middle east. I've traveled and gotten to know the people around the world. South and Central American is not a major part of my knowledge base, but many of the problems and solution can be applied.

I've worked in refugee camps. I help people in africa. I've been involved in rescues in asia. I've been involved in both medical and hospice care. I've studied and taught about the world history, politics and religion. I've been involved in negotiation and politics. I've researched, written, organized and participated. Now I am limited to a computer. I've seen war and disasters from both sides. Now I can neither speak or travel the way I used to. I am not ideal though. My fingers are my voice. In more ways than most I have BTDT. I am still from where I live help those that suffer. I would like more people to want to get involved not because they should or because it looks good but because they care.

I've seen how lives can be changed and many mistakes made in the past. I have tried to inspire my children and seen them grow on their own into amazing people. Now I hope my grandchildren will find their own way to help others.

No, I don't just rant. I have strong opinions, as do most people by a certain age, but I have based my opinions on knowledge and experience as much as possible. I hope I will continue to help, share and motivate others till my last days. I don't have the patience of youth but I keep trying.

Thank you...

Not everyone has the world experience you do, but that doesn't mean we're ignorant or idiots or don't care.

Others do care you know - whether it's through the charities they support or the work they physically do, in small or large ways. We may not agree (in fact seldom) but I do take the time to try to understand both sides of the issues and avoid propoganda that is rampant on all sides.

People need to realize that not organization and charities are cost efficient or sufficient. They might seem expedient but there might be far better ways to help, from their own towns and from actually getting hand dirty. I'd like to see people become smarter about what can be done and who can get it done.

It is the idea that you don't put up a tent in turkey if you can create a warmer stronger structure for the same or less money. Too many NGOs are only temp fixes and do not plan for long term or costs. A tent today is not going to protect during a monsoon or long enough for people to rebuild. You don't ship tons of pallets of water if each family can purify or desalinate water with the sun with a $50 terracotta pot designed for that purpose. Once the pallets of water stop, what do they do? If they have the means they can have clean water to drink for months and years. If you have the right tools you can draw drinking water from the air, at least enough to not die of thirst. Maybe it cost a few cents more but then you don't have to repeat flights and transport on a weekly basis. If you help people create a vertical wall to grow vegetables, it save water and space. It can even be transferred to another location later on so they can keep growing food. If you teach them to create their own power and fuel you don't have to keep supplying them indefinitely. They can learn to use bottles and bleach to make lights. They can recycle plastic bottles, can and such for insulation for more permanent structures. They can learn to preserve small amounts of food without refrigeration. Goat and sheep are easier to raise for milk than cows in most part of the world. Moss can be used instead of diapers and pads. Certain herbs can keep mattresses bug free. Burning waste can provide fuel, power and deter pest carrying diseases if done properly. We can turn vegetation into fuel and generators are getting smaller and cheaper all the time. Solar power can be set up in minutes and for small needs a few panels can supply the needs of a few families. Supplies to make their own panels would cost even less.

Many things can be brought into less hospitable areas where normal transportation cannot reach easier than what NGOs are trying to use today. Even in local emergencies and natural disasters there are ways to cut costs, get better supplies and plan for longer terms. Even teaching people to prepare in advance, and I don't mean stock a basement full, can save hundreds more lives.

Even the use of drones for logistics and supply can make the world of difference. We can evaluate what is really needed instead of sending the wrong items and are harder to move.

People need to think and plan in more efficient ways. You find ways to use local material instead of bringing truck loads of items across the country or around the world. You can build mud building but then spray them with a foam or cement like substance to form an outer shell that might well last through earthquakes and storms for the next century or more.

It can be as simple as using pack animals and ATVs instead of trucks that require new roads to be built or cleared.

If someone's house burns down they don't need boxes if clothes and truck loads of furniture, as generous as they might be.
 
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I've posted threads on the Congo, Mexico, the Rohinga multiple times. The radio is a perfectly legitimate source of news - as much as newspapers, television or the internet. What are you waiting for?

Radio is not about in depth knowledge but inciting anger towards someone or something. It is not about solutions but about blame. Headlines are not news. Talking heads are not news.

That depends on what you listen to. The stories I listen to are covered in depth, from a variety of viewpoints on both sides and often will discuss the historical background of a conflict. They don't focus on sensationalism, blood and blame because most conflicts aren't that black and white. That is why I like to listen - I end up learning a lot. Maybe you are making a lot of assumptions here.

Do you actually know about the places in the congo (there are two countries), myanmar or mexico you hear about on the radio? Do you actually know anything about the people involved? Do you understand the politics? do you know why the problems exist, or just that there is problem? Did you get involved in the solution or just pass on the rants and disinformation and feeds the problems?

When I don't know, I try to research. I try to understand the conflict and both sides.

What do you do Aris? Do you just just pass on the rants and disinformation and feed the problems?

Even living where I did, I was always learning from people as well as anything I could get my hands on. I have done a lot of research both as part of my job and because I cared. I am still researching on ways to help. I am in touch with those who are effected. I might not be able to physically get involved in helping any more, but I can through education and information. I can't travel half way around the world any more, but I used to. I've help those in africa, asia and the middle east. I've traveled and gotten to know the people around the world. South and Central American is not a major part of my knowledge base, but many of the problems and solution can be applied.

I've worked in refugee camps. I help people in africa. I've been involved in rescues in asia. I've been involved in both medical and hospice care. I've studied and taught about the world history, politics and religion. I've been involved in negotiation and politics. I've researched, written, organized and participated. Now I am limited to a computer. I've seen war and disasters from both sides. Now I can neither speak or travel the way I used to. I am not ideal though. My fingers are my voice. In more ways than most I have BTDT. I am still from where I live help those that suffer. I would like more people to want to get involved not because they should or because it looks good but because they care.

I've seen how lives can be changed and many mistakes made in the past. I have tried to inspire my children and seen them grow on their own into amazing people. Now I hope my grandchildren will find their own way to help others.

No, I don't just rant. I have strong opinions, as do most people by a certain age, but I have based my opinions on knowledge and experience as much as possible. I hope I will continue to help, share and motivate others till my last days. I don't have the patience of youth but I keep trying.

Thank you...

Not everyone has the world experience you do, but that doesn't mean we're ignorant or idiots or don't care.

Others do care you know - whether it's through the charities they support or the work they physically do, in small or large ways. We may not agree (in fact seldom) but I do take the time to try to understand both sides of the issues and avoid propoganda that is rampant on all sides.

People need to realize that not organization and charities are cost efficient or sufficient. They might seem expedient but there might be far better ways to help, from their own towns and from actually getting hand dirty. I'd like to see people become smarter about what can be done and who can get it done.

It is the idea that you don't put up a tent in turkey if you can create a warmer stronger structure for the same or less money. Too many NGOs are only temp fixes and do not plan for long term or costs. A tent today is not going to protect during a monsoon or long enough for people to rebuild. You don't ship tons of pallets of water if each family can purify or desalinate water with the sun with a $50 terracotta pot designed for that purpose. Once the pallets of water stop, what do they do? If they have the means they can have clean water to drink for months and years. If you have the right tools you can draw drinking water from the air, at least enough to not die of thirst. Maybe it cost a few cents more but then you don't have to repeat flights and transport on a weekly basis. If you help people create a vertical wall to grow vegetables, it save water and space. It can even be transferred to another location later on so they can keep growing food. If you teach them to create their own power and fuel you don't have to keep supplying them indefinitely. They can learn to use bottles and bleach to make lights. They can recycle plastic bottles, can and such for insulation for more permanent structures. They can learn to preserve small amounts of food without refrigeration. Goat and sheep are easier to raise for milk than cows in most part of the world. Moss can be used instead of diapers and pads. Certain herbs can keep mattresses bug free. Burning waste can provide fuel, power and deter pest carrying diseases if done properly. We can turn vegetation into fuel and generators are getting smaller and cheaper all the time. Solar power can be set up in minutes and for small needs a few panels can supply the needs of a few families. Supplies to make their own panels would cost even less.

Many things can be brought into less hospitable areas where normal transportation cannot reach easier than what NGOs are trying to use today. Even in local emergencies and natural disasters there are ways to cut costs, get better supplies and plan for longer terms. Even teaching people to prepare in advance, and I don't mean stock a basement full, can save hundreds more lives.

Even the use of drones for logistics and supply can make the world of difference. We can evaluate what is really needed instead of sending the wrong items and are harder to move.

People need to thing and plan in more efficient ways. You find ways to use local material instead of bringing truck loads of items across the country or around the world. You can build mud building but then spray them with a foam or cement like substance to form an outer shell that might well last through earthquakes and storms for the next century or more.

It can be as simple as using pack animals and ATVs instead of trucks that require new roads to be built or cleared.

If someone's house burns down they don't need boxes if clothes and truck loads of furniture, as generous as they might be.

I agree. And some "solutions" end up wrecking the local economy - rather than using what's available nearby they bring it from a distance. One of the charities I really like and support is Heifer International - I think they have a sustainable long term vision that different for each area.
 
Radio is not about in depth knowledge but inciting anger towards someone or something. It is not about solutions but about blame. Headlines are not news. Talking heads are not news.

That depends on what you listen to. The stories I listen to are covered in depth, from a variety of viewpoints on both sides and often will discuss the historical background of a conflict. They don't focus on sensationalism, blood and blame because most conflicts aren't that black and white. That is why I like to listen - I end up learning a lot. Maybe you are making a lot of assumptions here.

Do you actually know about the places in the congo (there are two countries), myanmar or mexico you hear about on the radio? Do you actually know anything about the people involved? Do you understand the politics? do you know why the problems exist, or just that there is problem? Did you get involved in the solution or just pass on the rants and disinformation and feeds the problems?

When I don't know, I try to research. I try to understand the conflict and both sides.

What do you do Aris? Do you just just pass on the rants and disinformation and feed the problems?

Even living where I did, I was always learning from people as well as anything I could get my hands on. I have done a lot of research both as part of my job and because I cared. I am still researching on ways to help. I am in touch with those who are effected. I might not be able to physically get involved in helping any more, but I can through education and information. I can't travel half way around the world any more, but I used to. I've help those in africa, asia and the middle east. I've traveled and gotten to know the people around the world. South and Central American is not a major part of my knowledge base, but many of the problems and solution can be applied.

I've worked in refugee camps. I help people in africa. I've been involved in rescues in asia. I've been involved in both medical and hospice care. I've studied and taught about the world history, politics and religion. I've been involved in negotiation and politics. I've researched, written, organized and participated. Now I am limited to a computer. I've seen war and disasters from both sides. Now I can neither speak or travel the way I used to. I am not ideal though. My fingers are my voice. In more ways than most I have BTDT. I am still from where I live help those that suffer. I would like more people to want to get involved not because they should or because it looks good but because they care.

I've seen how lives can be changed and many mistakes made in the past. I have tried to inspire my children and seen them grow on their own into amazing people. Now I hope my grandchildren will find their own way to help others.

No, I don't just rant. I have strong opinions, as do most people by a certain age, but I have based my opinions on knowledge and experience as much as possible. I hope I will continue to help, share and motivate others till my last days. I don't have the patience of youth but I keep trying.

Thank you...

Not everyone has the world experience you do, but that doesn't mean we're ignorant or idiots or don't care.

Others do care you know - whether it's through the charities they support or the work they physically do, in small or large ways. We may not agree (in fact seldom) but I do take the time to try to understand both sides of the issues and avoid propoganda that is rampant on all sides.

People need to realize that not organization and charities are cost efficient or sufficient. They might seem expedient but there might be far better ways to help, from their own towns and from actually getting hand dirty. I'd like to see people become smarter about what can be done and who can get it done.

It is the idea that you don't put up a tent in turkey if you can create a warmer stronger structure for the same or less money. Too many NGOs are only temp fixes and do not plan for long term or costs. A tent today is not going to protect during a monsoon or long enough for people to rebuild. You don't ship tons of pallets of water if each family can purify or desalinate water with the sun with a $50 terracotta pot designed for that purpose. Once the pallets of water stop, what do they do? If they have the means they can have clean water to drink for months and years. If you have the right tools you can draw drinking water from the air, at least enough to not die of thirst. Maybe it cost a few cents more but then you don't have to repeat flights and transport on a weekly basis. If you help people create a vertical wall to grow vegetables, it save water and space. It can even be transferred to another location later on so they can keep growing food. If you teach them to create their own power and fuel you don't have to keep supplying them indefinitely. They can learn to use bottles and bleach to make lights. They can recycle plastic bottles, can and such for insulation for more permanent structures. They can learn to preserve small amounts of food without refrigeration. Goat and sheep are easier to raise for milk than cows in most part of the world. Moss can be used instead of diapers and pads. Certain herbs can keep mattresses bug free. Burning waste can provide fuel, power and deter pest carrying diseases if done properly. We can turn vegetation into fuel and generators are getting smaller and cheaper all the time. Solar power can be set up in minutes and for small needs a few panels can supply the needs of a few families. Supplies to make their own panels would cost even less.

Many things can be brought into less hospitable areas where normal transportation cannot reach easier than what NGOs are trying to use today. Even in local emergencies and natural disasters there are ways to cut costs, get better supplies and plan for longer terms. Even teaching people to prepare in advance, and I don't mean stock a basement full, can save hundreds more lives.

Even the use of drones for logistics and supply can make the world of difference. We can evaluate what is really needed instead of sending the wrong items and are harder to move.

People need to thing and plan in more efficient ways. You find ways to use local material instead of bringing truck loads of items across the country or around the world. You can build mud building but then spray them with a foam or cement like substance to form an outer shell that might well last through earthquakes and storms for the next century or more.

It can be as simple as using pack animals and ATVs instead of trucks that require new roads to be built or cleared.

If someone's house burns down they don't need boxes if clothes and truck loads of furniture, as generous as they might be.

I agree. And some "solutions" end up wrecking the local economy - rather than using what's available nearby they bring it from a distance. One of the charities I really like and support is Heifer International - I think they have a sustainable long term vision that different for each area.

A lot better than power milk and they can make cheese and later on even meat or breed with other animals for a live time supply.

The difference between a fish and fishing net.
 
That depends on what you listen to. The stories I listen to are covered in depth, from a variety of viewpoints on both sides and often will discuss the historical background of a conflict. They don't focus on sensationalism, blood and blame because most conflicts aren't that black and white. That is why I like to listen - I end up learning a lot. Maybe you are making a lot of assumptions here.

When I don't know, I try to research. I try to understand the conflict and both sides.

What do you do Aris? Do you just just pass on the rants and disinformation and feed the problems?

Even living where I did, I was always learning from people as well as anything I could get my hands on. I have done a lot of research both as part of my job and because I cared. I am still researching on ways to help. I am in touch with those who are effected. I might not be able to physically get involved in helping any more, but I can through education and information. I can't travel half way around the world any more, but I used to. I've help those in africa, asia and the middle east. I've traveled and gotten to know the people around the world. South and Central American is not a major part of my knowledge base, but many of the problems and solution can be applied.

I've worked in refugee camps. I help people in africa. I've been involved in rescues in asia. I've been involved in both medical and hospice care. I've studied and taught about the world history, politics and religion. I've been involved in negotiation and politics. I've researched, written, organized and participated. Now I am limited to a computer. I've seen war and disasters from both sides. Now I can neither speak or travel the way I used to. I am not ideal though. My fingers are my voice. In more ways than most I have BTDT. I am still from where I live help those that suffer. I would like more people to want to get involved not because they should or because it looks good but because they care.

I've seen how lives can be changed and many mistakes made in the past. I have tried to inspire my children and seen them grow on their own into amazing people. Now I hope my grandchildren will find their own way to help others.

No, I don't just rant. I have strong opinions, as do most people by a certain age, but I have based my opinions on knowledge and experience as much as possible. I hope I will continue to help, share and motivate others till my last days. I don't have the patience of youth but I keep trying.

Thank you...

Not everyone has the world experience you do, but that doesn't mean we're ignorant or idiots or don't care.

Others do care you know - whether it's through the charities they support or the work they physically do, in small or large ways. We may not agree (in fact seldom) but I do take the time to try to understand both sides of the issues and avoid propoganda that is rampant on all sides.

People need to realize that not organization and charities are cost efficient or sufficient. They might seem expedient but there might be far better ways to help, from their own towns and from actually getting hand dirty. I'd like to see people become smarter about what can be done and who can get it done.

It is the idea that you don't put up a tent in turkey if you can create a warmer stronger structure for the same or less money. Too many NGOs are only temp fixes and do not plan for long term or costs. A tent today is not going to protect during a monsoon or long enough for people to rebuild. You don't ship tons of pallets of water if each family can purify or desalinate water with the sun with a $50 terracotta pot designed for that purpose. Once the pallets of water stop, what do they do? If they have the means they can have clean water to drink for months and years. If you have the right tools you can draw drinking water from the air, at least enough to not die of thirst. Maybe it cost a few cents more but then you don't have to repeat flights and transport on a weekly basis. If you help people create a vertical wall to grow vegetables, it save water and space. It can even be transferred to another location later on so they can keep growing food. If you teach them to create their own power and fuel you don't have to keep supplying them indefinitely. They can learn to use bottles and bleach to make lights. They can recycle plastic bottles, can and such for insulation for more permanent structures. They can learn to preserve small amounts of food without refrigeration. Goat and sheep are easier to raise for milk than cows in most part of the world. Moss can be used instead of diapers and pads. Certain herbs can keep mattresses bug free. Burning waste can provide fuel, power and deter pest carrying diseases if done properly. We can turn vegetation into fuel and generators are getting smaller and cheaper all the time. Solar power can be set up in minutes and for small needs a few panels can supply the needs of a few families. Supplies to make their own panels would cost even less.

Many things can be brought into less hospitable areas where normal transportation cannot reach easier than what NGOs are trying to use today. Even in local emergencies and natural disasters there are ways to cut costs, get better supplies and plan for longer terms. Even teaching people to prepare in advance, and I don't mean stock a basement full, can save hundreds more lives.

Even the use of drones for logistics and supply can make the world of difference. We can evaluate what is really needed instead of sending the wrong items and are harder to move.

People need to thing and plan in more efficient ways. You find ways to use local material instead of bringing truck loads of items across the country or around the world. You can build mud building but then spray them with a foam or cement like substance to form an outer shell that might well last through earthquakes and storms for the next century or more.

It can be as simple as using pack animals and ATVs instead of trucks that require new roads to be built or cleared.

If someone's house burns down they don't need boxes if clothes and truck loads of furniture, as generous as they might be.

I agree. And some "solutions" end up wrecking the local economy - rather than using what's available nearby they bring it from a distance. One of the charities I really like and support is Heifer International - I think they have a sustainable long term vision that different for each area.

A lot better than power milk and they can make cheese and later on even meat or breed with other animals for a live time supply.

The difference between a fish and fishing net.

If I recall it accurately, their philosophy is that for example, a family gets donated a breeding pair, and then they in turn donate a certain number of offspring to other families. Not only does it feed them, but it can be the basis for a small scale economy.
 
Even living where I did, I was always learning from people as well as anything I could get my hands on. I have done a lot of research both as part of my job and because I cared. I am still researching on ways to help. I am in touch with those who are effected. I might not be able to physically get involved in helping any more, but I can through education and information. I can't travel half way around the world any more, but I used to. I've help those in africa, asia and the middle east. I've traveled and gotten to know the people around the world. South and Central American is not a major part of my knowledge base, but many of the problems and solution can be applied.

I've worked in refugee camps. I help people in africa. I've been involved in rescues in asia. I've been involved in both medical and hospice care. I've studied and taught about the world history, politics and religion. I've been involved in negotiation and politics. I've researched, written, organized and participated. Now I am limited to a computer. I've seen war and disasters from both sides. Now I can neither speak or travel the way I used to. I am not ideal though. My fingers are my voice. In more ways than most I have BTDT. I am still from where I live help those that suffer. I would like more people to want to get involved not because they should or because it looks good but because they care.

I've seen how lives can be changed and many mistakes made in the past. I have tried to inspire my children and seen them grow on their own into amazing people. Now I hope my grandchildren will find their own way to help others.

No, I don't just rant. I have strong opinions, as do most people by a certain age, but I have based my opinions on knowledge and experience as much as possible. I hope I will continue to help, share and motivate others till my last days. I don't have the patience of youth but I keep trying.

you help two people, they each help two more.
pay it forward.

We should all try to live by that idea in some aspect of our lives.


Thank you...

Not everyone has the world experience you do, but that doesn't mean we're ignorant or idiots or don't care.

Others do care you know - whether it's through the charities they support or the work they physically do, in small or large ways. We may not agree (in fact seldom) but I do take the time to try to understand both sides of the issues and avoid propoganda that is rampant on all sides.

People need to realize that not organization and charities are cost efficient or sufficient. They might seem expedient but there might be far better ways to help, from their own towns and from actually getting hand dirty. I'd like to see people become smarter about what can be done and who can get it done.

It is the idea that you don't put up a tent in turkey if you can create a warmer stronger structure for the same or less money. Too many NGOs are only temp fixes and do not plan for long term or costs. A tent today is not going to protect during a monsoon or long enough for people to rebuild. You don't ship tons of pallets of water if each family can purify or desalinate water with the sun with a $50 terracotta pot designed for that purpose. Once the pallets of water stop, what do they do? If they have the means they can have clean water to drink for months and years. If you have the right tools you can draw drinking water from the air, at least enough to not die of thirst. Maybe it cost a few cents more but then you don't have to repeat flights and transport on a weekly basis. If you help people create a vertical wall to grow vegetables, it save water and space. It can even be transferred to another location later on so they can keep growing food. If you teach them to create their own power and fuel you don't have to keep supplying them indefinitely. They can learn to use bottles and bleach to make lights. They can recycle plastic bottles, can and such for insulation for more permanent structures. They can learn to preserve small amounts of food without refrigeration. Goat and sheep are easier to raise for milk than cows in most part of the world. Moss can be used instead of diapers and pads. Certain herbs can keep mattresses bug free. Burning waste can provide fuel, power and deter pest carrying diseases if done properly. We can turn vegetation into fuel and generators are getting smaller and cheaper all the time. Solar power can be set up in minutes and for small needs a few panels can supply the needs of a few families. Supplies to make their own panels would cost even less.

Many things can be brought into less hospitable areas where normal transportation cannot reach easier than what NGOs are trying to use today. Even in local emergencies and natural disasters there are ways to cut costs, get better supplies and plan for longer terms. Even teaching people to prepare in advance, and I don't mean stock a basement full, can save hundreds more lives.

Even the use of drones for logistics and supply can make the world of difference. We can evaluate what is really needed instead of sending the wrong items and are harder to move.

People need to thing and plan in more efficient ways. You find ways to use local material instead of bringing truck loads of items across the country or around the world. You can build mud building but then spray them with a foam or cement like substance to form an outer shell that might well last through earthquakes and storms for the next century or more.

It can be as simple as using pack animals and ATVs instead of trucks that require new roads to be built or cleared.

If someone's house burns down they don't need boxes if clothes and truck loads of furniture, as generous as they might be.

I agree. And some "solutions" end up wrecking the local economy - rather than using what's available nearby they bring it from a distance. One of the charities I really like and support is Heifer International - I think they have a sustainable long term vision that different for each area.

A lot better than power milk and they can make cheese and later on even meat or breed with other animals for a live time supply.

The difference between a fish and fishing net.

If I recall it accurately, their philosophy is that for example, a family gets donated a breeding pair, and then they in turn donate a certain number of offspring to other families. Not only does it feed them, but it can be the basis for a small scale economy.
 
If I am not, the last 100 years are.

If they had wanted to - it would have been destroyed long ago.
I take it you do not live in Tel Aviv.
Or maybe get all your news and history from "special sources" only.

No. I do not get all my news and history from "special sources". Do you?
Well let's start with history. Islam and its sword were only stopped by Christians battling them from going far further into Europe from the 7th century on until the 16th century. They already had conquered all of the Middle East, North Africa and Asia Minor. Clearly their mission is to conquer the world by force.

Israel in particular has had to fight 5 wars and countless attacks since the day it became a nation -- by themselves. What do you think these Arab nations would have done if they won any of those wars? What's changed?

There's a lot left out of your "history" including Christianity and it's sword that was conquering territory as well - and not behaving very nicely. Clearly it's mission is to conquer the world by force, to use your words.

To be clear - while I agree with everything you've written - my only disagreement would be that the Roman Catholic Vatican that led the crusades, the Inquisition, the Spanish Inquisition, and every other war including WWII with Catholic faithful - Hitler - were not "Christians".

Just because someone "calls their church" Christian, does not mean it is, Coyote. The Roman Catholic Institution has a history (many hundreds of years of it) of violence, bloodshed, conversion by force, exploiting the Muslim people / nations, torture, murder of anyone who wasn't a "Catholic") whereas the Christian fundamentalist who believes the Bible to be the word of God (and is not Catholic) has no such history of leading Inquisitions, torture, Crusades, murder, and such. They would lay down their lives before they would build up an army to kill others with. That is the difference. Jesus Christ never told his church to create a military force and plot to take over the world (new world order agenda of Rome) and as they do not follow the teachings of Christ they cannot be Christians.
 
It is my business. I grew up in the middle east. I still have family there, heritage there going back centuries.
Islam invaded the byzantine empire, so you could say they started this, they intruded on christianity, they took over christian and jewish sites. They interfered where they had no business. They did not stay in their own part of the map.

How many muslims are trying to change what is happening in western countries, pissing off those of other faith around the world? They are pissing off other muslims as well destroying mosques and carrying out massacres. They have been pissed with each other since the dawn of Islam.

It is not about pissing off muslims, it is about that distortion and corruption of Islam and using it as a weapon against the world.
It is not about Islam as much as it is about hate and the killing of thousands and justifying it 'in the name of god'

This is not just my business, more than 40 yrs ago it was also my job to try and bring peace. It should be everyone's business.
Ok. It could very well be most Muslims want peace with their neighbors and are not interested in destroying them or converting them, but that is not apparent when you look at the last 100 years. Is it because they are too afraid to speak up? Are they powerless, because on the ground Islam is causing a lot of trouble for countless people.

The leaders of Islamic nations are not exactly putting forth the right message or action either.

So what do you expect from all those suffering? Just to keep reminding everyone it is not Islam’s fault and hope it will all correct itself?

The Muslim people and their religion of Islam could not hold a candle to the forced conversions, Inquisitions, Crusades, murder, torture, wars your own Catholic religion has started in the name of "God" while the world recognizes not that it is the Mother of Harlots - of everything false - and has never represented Jesus Christ and His church. Even now many do not realize that your Vatican is once again plotting their next attempt to be the rulers over a One World Order with the Pope playing "God". I hope the Lord Jesus Christ will open your eyes and that you will buy a King James Bible and believe what it says rather than the wolves in Rome (who deny the Word of God) who would devour you with their lies - in hopes of taking you to hell with them. I pray you are delivered of their deception, Turzakova.
 
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If they had wanted to - it would have been destroyed long ago.
I take it you do not live in Tel Aviv.
Or maybe get all your news and history from "special sources" only.

No. I do not get all my news and history from "special sources". Do you?
Well let's start with history. Islam and its sword were only stopped by Christians battling them from going far further into Europe from the 7th century on until the 16th century. They already had conquered all of the Middle East, North Africa and Asia Minor. Clearly their mission is to conquer the world by force.

Israel in particular has had to fight 5 wars and countless attacks since the day it became a nation -- by themselves. What do you think these Arab nations would have done if they won any of those wars? What's changed?

There's a lot left out of your "history" including Christianity and it's sword that was conquering territory as well - and not behaving very nicely. Clearly it's mission is to conquer the world by force, to use your words.

To be clear - while I agree with everything you've written - my only disagreement would be that the Roman Catholic Vatican that led the crusades, the Inquisition, the Spanish Inquisition, and every other war including WWII with Catholic faithful - Hitler - were not "Christians".

Just because someone "calls their church" Christian, does not mean it is, Coyote. The Roman Catholic Institution has a history (many hundreds of years of it) of violence, bloodshed, conversion by force, exploiting the Muslim people / nations, torture, murder of anyone who wasn't a "Catholic") whereas the Christian fundamentalist who believes the Bible to be the word of God (and is not Catholic) has no such history of leading Inquisitions, torture, Crusades, murder, and such. They would lay down their lives before they would build up an army to kill others with. That is the difference. Jesus Christ never told his church to create a military force and plot to take over the world (new world order agenda of Rome) and as they do not follow the teachings of Christ they cannot be Christians.

I think every religion has it's demons and they mostly come out when religion is intertwined with government and power. That's when intolerance seems to become more extreme.
 
I take it you do not live in Tel Aviv.
Or maybe get all your news and history from "special sources" only.

No. I do not get all my news and history from "special sources". Do you?
Well let's start with history. Islam and its sword were only stopped by Christians battling them from going far further into Europe from the 7th century on until the 16th century. They already had conquered all of the Middle East, North Africa and Asia Minor. Clearly their mission is to conquer the world by force.

Israel in particular has had to fight 5 wars and countless attacks since the day it became a nation -- by themselves. What do you think these Arab nations would have done if they won any of those wars? What's changed?

There's a lot left out of your "history" including Christianity and it's sword that was conquering territory as well - and not behaving very nicely. Clearly it's mission is to conquer the world by force, to use your words.

To be clear - while I agree with everything you've written - my only disagreement would be that the Roman Catholic Vatican that led the crusades, the Inquisition, the Spanish Inquisition, and every other war including WWII with Catholic faithful - Hitler - were not "Christians".

Just because someone "calls their church" Christian, does not mean it is, Coyote. The Roman Catholic Institution has a history (many hundreds of years of it) of violence, bloodshed, conversion by force, exploiting the Muslim people / nations, torture, murder of anyone who wasn't a "Catholic") whereas the Christian fundamentalist who believes the Bible to be the word of God (and is not Catholic) has no such history of leading Inquisitions, torture, Crusades, murder, and such. They would lay down their lives before they would build up an army to kill others with. That is the difference. Jesus Christ never told his church to create a military force and plot to take over the world (new world order agenda of Rome) and as they do not follow the teachings of Christ they cannot be Christians.

I think every religion has it's demons and they mostly come out when religion is intertwined with government and power. That's when intolerance seems to become more extreme.

I do not believe "any Church" has any business seeking political power, Coyote! The Bible never taught the church to seek massive wealth, storing up trillions in Gold, Silver, Artwork, lands, businesses, amassing such vast fortunes that are used to bribe political leaders, nations, and here is the evidence! Who ever heard of a church who has its own court system (the Vatican Court) to hear the trial of the Pope's Nuncio who was caught sexually molesting children in the Dominican Republic. That Nuncio should be put on trial in the DR but thanks to Pope Francis he was whisked away, brought back to Rome and was recently seen walking freely on a street in Rome with no supervision. His Dominican assistant already wrote a letter admitting to his part in procuring children for sex for this Nuncio - the full confession was printed in the New York Times! And yet the Vatican manages to protect their own paedophiles STILL.

This is not a church, Coyote! This an international crime syndicate that should be put on trial and shut down permanently!!!!
 
It is my business. I grew up in the middle east. I still have family there, heritage there going back centuries.
Islam invaded the byzantine empire, so you could say they started this, they intruded on christianity, they took over christian and jewish sites. They interfered where they had no business. They did not stay in their own part of the map.

How many muslims are trying to change what is happening in western countries, pissing off those of other faith around the world? They are pissing off other muslims as well destroying mosques and carrying out massacres. They have been pissed with each other since the dawn of Islam.

It is not about pissing off muslims, it is about that distortion and corruption of Islam and using it as a weapon against the world.
It is not about Islam as much as it is about hate and the killing of thousands and justifying it 'in the name of god'

This is not just my business, more than 40 yrs ago it was also my job to try and bring peace. It should be everyone's business.
Ok. It could very well be most Muslims want peace with their neighbors and are not interested in destroying them or converting them, but that is not apparent when you look at the last 100 years. Is it because they are too afraid to speak up? Are they powerless, because on the ground Islam is causing a lot of trouble for countless people.

The leaders of Islamic nations are not exactly putting forth the right message or action either.

So what do you expect from all those suffering? Just to keep reminding everyone it is not Islam’s fault and hope it will all correct itself?

The Muslim people and their religion of Islam could not hold a candle to the forced conversions, Inquisitions, Crusades, murder, torture, wars your own Catholic religion has started in the name of "God" while the world recognizes not that it is the Mother of Harlots - of everything false - and has never represented Jesus Christ and His church. Even now many do not realize that your Vatican is once again plotting their next attempt to be the rulers over a One World Order with the Pope playing "God". I hope the Lord Jesus Christ will open your eyes and that you will buy a King James Bible and believe what it says rather than the wolves in Rome (who deny the Word of God) who would devour you with their lies - in hopes of taking you to hell with them. I pray you are delivered of their deception, Turzakova.

Pity stays my hand from engaging you.

You truly appear to be the victim of a cult.

Jesus does not talk to us like you do.
 
Jesus does not talk to us like you do.


How many of you are there?

Is that you again, legion? Still falling off that same cliff with a herd of swine?



that's a shame.
"Us" Catholics.

You are the one who is the coward among us. Filled with glee to sling mud and denigrate other creeds, but would not dare speak for his own beliefs. Such a pity.
 
Are you saying Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Algeria, Kuwait are destroying Israel and everything Christian?
If I am not, the last 100 years are.

If they had wanted to - it would have been destroyed long ago.


Ah.....do you read history at all? The Arabs attacked Israel in 1948....1954....1973. All with the avowed purpose of wiping Israel off the map.

Fortunately.....the Muslims always lost.


You should read a little more. :)
 
Are you saying Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Algeria, Kuwait are destroying Israel and everything Christian?
If I am not, the last 100 years are.

If they had wanted to - it would have been destroyed long ago.


Ah.....do you read history at all? The Arabs attacked Israel in 1948....1954....1973. All with the avowed purpose of wiping Israel off the map.

Fortunately.....the Muslims always lost.


You should read a little more. :)

I read a lot. If they intended on destroying Israel and everything Christian - it would have happened. They've had 700 years to wipe out both Christianity. Instead we have centuries of each trying to wipe out each other and coexisting with each other.
 
Are you saying Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Algeria, Kuwait are destroying Israel and everything Christian?
If I am not, the last 100 years are.

If they had wanted to - it would have been destroyed long ago.


Ah.....do you read history at all? The Arabs attacked Israel in 1948....1954....1973. All with the avowed purpose of wiping Israel off the map.

Fortunately.....the Muslims always lost.


You should read a little more. :)

I read a lot. If they intended on destroying Israel and everything Christian - it would have happened. They've had 700 years to wipe out both Christianity. Instead we have centuries of each trying to wipe out each other and coexisting with each other.


You truly need to read more. Battle of Tours in 732. Try that one first. The battle of Vienna in 1683. Try that one next.

There is no moral equivalency. Sorry. :( The crusades were an attempt to win back the Holy Land....not destroy Islam.

The same cannot be said regarding Muslim invasions of Europe and the current activities of Jihadists around the globe.

Are you aware millions of Muslims around the world want to establish a caliphate and wipe out western civilization? That the destruction of the west and the establishment of a caliphate is their stated goal? That they do this in the name of Islam?

Israel has never stated as a goal to wipe out it's Arab neighbors and "drive them into the sea." Hamas has stated that, however. So has Iran.

Coyote....I have nothing against anyone who wants to worship their God in peace. But your moral equivalency is a complete failure.
 
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Are you saying Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Algeria, Kuwait are destroying Israel and everything Christian?
If I am not, the last 100 years are.

If they had wanted to - it would have been destroyed long ago.


Ah.....do you read history at all? The Arabs attacked Israel in 1948....1954....1973. All with the avowed purpose of wiping Israel off the map.

Fortunately.....the Muslims always lost.


You should read a little more. :)

I read a lot. If they intended on destroying Israel and everything Christian - it would have happened. They've had 700 years to wipe out both Christianity. Instead we have centuries of each trying to wipe out each other and coexisting with each other.


You truly need to read more. Battle of Tours in 732. Try that one first. The battle of Vienna in 1683. Try that one next.

There is no moral equivalency. Sorry. :( The crusades were an attempt to win back the Holy Land....not destroy Islam.

The same cannot be said regarding Muslim invasions of Europe and the current activities of Jihadists around the globe.

Are you aware millions of Muslims around the world want to establish a caliphate and wipe out western civilization? That the destruction of the west and the establishment of a caliphate is their stated goal? That they do this in the name of Islam?

Israel has never stated as a goal to wipe out it's Arab neighbors and "drive them into the sea." Hamas has stated that, however. So has Iran.

Coyote....I have nothing against anyone who wants to worship their God in peace. But your moral equivalency is a complete failure.

Both sides attempted to control the "Holy Land" and stating it as "attempting to win back" the Holy Land ignores the very real brutality, pillaging and torture that went on. The conquest of Christiandom was no less brutal than the Muslim conquests. I don't know why people seem to think it was sweetness, light and persuasion.

Hamas and Iran do not represent all Islam.
 
If I am not, the last 100 years are.

If they had wanted to - it would have been destroyed long ago.


Ah.....do you read history at all? The Arabs attacked Israel in 1948....1954....1973. All with the avowed purpose of wiping Israel off the map.

Fortunately.....the Muslims always lost.


You should read a little more. :)

I read a lot. If they intended on destroying Israel and everything Christian - it would have happened. They've had 700 years to wipe out both Christianity. Instead we have centuries of each trying to wipe out each other and coexisting with each other.


You truly need to read more. Battle of Tours in 732. Try that one first. The battle of Vienna in 1683. Try that one next.

There is no moral equivalency. Sorry. :( The crusades were an attempt to win back the Holy Land....not destroy Islam.

The same cannot be said regarding Muslim invasions of Europe and the current activities of Jihadists around the globe.

Are you aware millions of Muslims around the world want to establish a caliphate and wipe out western civilization? That the destruction of the west and the establishment of a caliphate is their stated goal? That they do this in the name of Islam?

Israel has never stated as a goal to wipe out it's Arab neighbors and "drive them into the sea." Hamas has stated that, however. So has Iran.

Coyote....I have nothing against anyone who wants to worship their God in peace. But your moral equivalency is a complete failure.

Both sides attempted to control the "Holy Land" and stating it as "attempting to win back" the Holy Land ignores the very real brutality, pillaging and torture that went on. The conquest of Christiandom was no less brutal than the Muslim conquests. I don't know why people seem to think it was sweetness, light and persuasion.

Hamas and Iran do not represent all Islam.


Still with the moral equivalency. :( Iran is the defacto representative of Shite Muslims around the world. To minimize this influence is disingenuous at best.

Hamas and Iran have stated as a goal and purpose to see the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jewish People. Coyote...that is fact. No moral equivalency exists in the west. None.

Second....the global Jihadist movement involves millions of Muslims. There stated goal is destruction of the west via mass murder and the establishment of a worldwide caliphate. No moral equivalency exists in the west. None.

If Muslims want their religion respected they must extend that respect to those of the Christian and Jewish faith. To many millions of Muslims around the world they abhor those of any other faith and state as their goal the death and destruction of those with different beliefs. No moral equivalency exists in the west. None.
 
Bull.

You are equating Iran, one country and Hamas - that is nothing more than a terrorist organization as representative of all Muslims.

You are stating (if I understand it) that many millions of Muslims abhor those of any other faith and state as their goal the death and destruction of those with different beliefs - that is total bull.

You bring up the historic conquests on the one hand and then dismiss the horrors of the Christian conquests as "nor moral equivalency".

Sorry, .I totally disagree here. I'd like to see some real data, from unbiased sources, that millians of Muslims "state as their goal the death and destruction of those with different beliefs".
 
Sorry, .I totally disagree here. I'd like to see some real data, from unbiased sources, that millians of Muslims "state as their goal the death and destruction of those with different beliefs".

Well if going to war is any indication of their intent on conquering and converting then history is certainly no witness for their defense.

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609-22 Mohammed preaches in Mecca
622 – Meccans kick Mohammed out, he and his followers move to Medina, raid caravans
624 – Battle of Badr
625 – Battle of Uhud
629 – Muhammad conquest of Mecca
632 – Mohammed dies
633 – Mesopotamia falls to Muslim invasion, followed by the entire Persian Empire
635 – Damascus falls
638 – Jerusalem capitulates
643 – Alexandria falls, ending 1,000 years of Hellenic civilization
648 – 49 Cyprus falls

653 – Rhodes falls
673 – Constantinople attacked
698 – All of North Africa lost
711 – Spain invaded
717 – Muslims attack Constantinople again; repelled by Emperor Leo the Isaurian
721 – Saragossa falls, Muslims sights on southern France
720 – Narbonne falls.
732 – Bordeaux was stormed and its churches burnt down
732 – Charles Martel and his Frankish army defeat Muslims on a Saturday in October, turning back the Muslim tide
732 – Attacks on France continued
734 – Avignon captured by an Muslim force
743 – Lyons sacked
759 – Arabs driven out of Narbonne.
838 – Marseilles plundered
800 – Muslims incursions into Italy begin, Islands of Ponza and Ischia plundered
813 – Civitavecchia, the port of Rome sacked
826 – Crete falls to Muslim forces
827 – Muslim forces begin to attack Sicily.
837 – Naples repels a Muslim attack
838 – Marseilles taken
840 – Bari falls
842 – Messina captured and Strait of Messina controlled
846 – Muslims squadrons arrived at Ostia, at the Tiber's mouth, sack Rome and St. Peter’s Basilica– Taranto in Apulia conquered by Muslim forces
849 – Papal forces repel Muslim fleet at the mouth of the Tiber
853 – 871 – Italian coast from Bari down to Reggio Calabria controlled, Muslims terrorize Southern Italy.
859 – Muslims take control of all Messina
870 – Malta captured by the Muslims.
870 – Bari recaptured from the Muslims by Emperor Louis II
872 – Emperor Louis II defeats a Saracen fleet off Capua
872 – Muslim forces devastate Calabria 878 – Syracuse falls after a nine-month siege
879 – Pope John VIII forced to pay tribute of 25,000 mancuses (AUD$625,000) annually to the Muslims
880 – Byzantine Commanders gain victory over Saracen forces at Naples
881 – Muslims capture fortress near Anzio, plunder surrounding countryside with impunity for forty [40] years.
887 – Muslim armies take Hysela and Amasia, in Asia Minor.
889 – Toulon captured
921 – English pilgrims to Rome crushed to death under rocks rolled down on them by Saracens in the passes of the Alps
902 – Muslim fleets sacked and destroyed Demetrias in Thessaly, Central Greece,
904 – Thessalonica falls to Muslim forces
915 – After three months of blockade, Christian forces victorious against Saracens holed-up in their fortresses north of Naples
934 – Genoa attacked by Muslim forces
935 – Genoa taken
972 – Saracens finally driven from Faxineto
976 – Caliphs of Egypt send fresh Muslim expeditions into southern Italy. Initially the German Emperor Otho II , who had set up his headquarters in Rome, successfully defeated these Saracen forces
977 – Sergius, Archbishop of Damascus, expelled from his See by Muslims
982 – Emperor Otho’s forces ambushed and his army defeated
1003 – Muslims from Spain sack Antibes
1003 – 09 – Marauding bands of Saracens plunder Italian coast from Pisa to Rome from bases on Sardinia
1005 – Muslims from Spain sack Pisa
1009 – Caliph of Egypt orders destruction of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, the Tomb of Jesus 1010 – Saracens seize Cosenza in southern Italy.
1015 – All Sardinia falls
1016 – Muslims from Spain again sack Pisa
1017 – Fleets of Pisa and Genoa sail for Sardinia, find Saracens crucifying Christians, drive Saracen leader out. Saracens try to re-take Sardinia until
1050 1020 – Muslims from Spain sack Narbonne
1095 – The First Crusade. There were 463 years between Mohammed’s death in 632 and the calling of a Crusade to free lands that had been Christian before the Muslim invaders arrived. “The Crusades In Context” By Dr Paul Stenhouse http://answering-islam.org/green/crusades-stenhouse.htm Of course, Islamic-driven warfare didn’t stop with the end of the Crusades:
Battle of Kirina – AD 1240 (Sundiata)
Battle of Wadi al-Khazandar – 1299 AD (Ghazan)
Battle of the Terek River – 1395 AD
Battle of the Vorskla River – 1399 AD
Battle of Ankara – 1402 AD
Battle of Panipat (1526) – 1526 AD
Battle of Khanwa – 1527 AD
Battle of Ghaghra – 1529 AD
Second battle of Panipat – 1556 AD
Siege of Nicaea (1331) – 1331 AD
Fall of Constantinople – 1453 AD
Battle of Maritsa – 1371 AD
Battle of Kosovo – 1389 AD
Battle of Nicopolis – 1396 AD
Battle of Varna – 1444 AD
Battle of Kosovo – 1448 AD
Siege of Belgrade – 1456 AD
Battle of Mohács – 1526 AD
The Night Attack – 1462 AD
Battle of Calugareni – 1595 AD
Battle of Rovine – 1395 AD
Battle of Vaslui – 1475 AD
1-st siege of Kruja – 1450 AD
2-nd siege of Kruja – 1466 AD
3-rd siege of Kruja – 1467 AD
Battle of Zonchio – 1499 AD
Siege of Rhodes – 1480 AD
Siege of Rhodes – 1522 AD
Siege of Malta – 1565 AD
Battle of Chaldiran – 1514 AD
Siege of Vienna – 1529 AD
Battle of Preveza – 1538 AD
Siege of Eger – 1552
Battle of Djerba – 1560 AD
Battle of Szigetvár – 1566 AD
Battle of Lepanto – 1571 AD
Battle of Keresztes – 1596 AD
Battle of Saint Gotthard – 1664 AD
Battle of Vienna – 1683 AD
Battle of Zenta – 1697 AD
Battle of Petrovaradin – 1716 AD
Polish-Ottoman Wars
Battle of Chocim – 1621 AD
Battle of Chocim – 1673 AD
Battle of Lwów – 1675 AD
Battle of Molodi – 1572 AD
Battle of Stavuchany – 1739 AD
Battle of Chesma – 1770 AD
Modern Wars
Modibo Adama's jihad (Fumbina, early 1800s)
Amadu's Jihad, 1800s
First Barbary War
Fulani Jihad
First Serbian Uprising
Ottoman-Saudi War
Second Barbary War
Caucasian War Greek
War of Independence
Turko-Persian War
Russo-Turkish War (1828–1829)
First Anglo-Afghan War
Dungan revolt
Panthay Rebellion
Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878)
Mahdi Rebellion
Greco-Turkish War (1919 – 1922)
Rif War (1920)
Indo-Pakistani War of 1947
Algerian War
First Sudanese Civil War
North Yemen Civil War
Turkish invasion of Cyprus
Indonesian invasion of East Timor
Western Sahara conflict
Lebanese Civil War
Ogaden War
Libya-Chad War
Somali Civil War
Indo-Pakistani War of 1965
Iran-Iraq War 1980 – 1989
Soviet war in Afghanistan
Al-Anfal Campaign
Second Sudanese Civil War
Mauritania-Senegal Border War
Afghan Civil War (1989 – 1992)
Nagorno-Karabakh War
Gulf War 1991 and 2003 – present
Bosnian War Civil
War in Tajikistan
First Chechen War
Kosovo War
Algerian Civil War
 
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