Sudden Silence From All Those Biden/Afghanistan Defenders

[PoliticalChic]

The question you should ask is did Trump have an obligation to follow the terms of the Doha Accords he negotiated? His lame duck withdrawals made it very hard for the military to enforce the obligations Trump ignored without re-igniting the war with the Taliban.

Would you mind revealing who you voted for?

Don't be afraid.....the Right isn't violent like your sort.

 

[daveman]

That was the Agreement and the Conditions we met. How would you go back and enforce the agreement to have them negotiate with the other side within that 135 day time frame? Weakness was the problem. Benedict Donald put the US forces and Afghan Army in the weakest position since the occupation began, Biden had two choices. Tell the Generals to end the war or tell the Generals to continue the war.

He did that to the military on purpose, out of spite, seeking revenge. He even bragged about.

Yes, because there was absolutely no way Joe could have negotiated his own deal. Utterly powerless.

Why did you vote for that useless man?

 

[daveman]

What? Was Trump wrong to sign the surrender? I never thought so. I thought he was right in criticizing our perpetual wars but HE NEVER HAD THE BALLS TO ACTUALLY STOP ONE, and he ended up getting more Syrians killed than did Obama ... and at least that was about ISIS.

I don't have any problem with ending forever wars. I do have a problem with weak presidents who didn't follow the the Wienberger Doctrine of 1. Detailing what existential threat requires us to allow our best kids to be maimed and killed and 2. Have an achievable end point to any war.

It wasn't surrender under Trump. It was an orderly withdrawal, protecting our allies, their families, and American troops.

Biden didn't do that. Biden got people killed.

 

[BlindBoo]

Yes, because there was absolutely no way Joe could have negotiated his own deal. Utterly powerless.

Why did you vote for that useless man?

Trump evacuated the troops that should have been used as leverage to get the Taliban to comply with his conditions. His lame duck withdrawals caused a drop in morale among Afghan Army personal. It's no wonder they hated America more than the Taliban after the treatment Benedict Donald gave them.

We had nothing left, Trump gave away the candy store.

But as I have said, Biden knew the power the US Presidents have with the most powerful military force in the world, and decided against the forever war our Generals were asking to continue.

He is just a better man that that "no good double dealin, back stabin, two timing, perverted larcenist worm."....

 

[bendog]

It wasn't surrender under Trump. It was an orderly withdrawal, protecting our allies, their families, and American troops.

Biden didn't do that. Biden got people killed.

Trump agreed to fewer troops.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Trump agreed to fewer troops.

Trump used Soleimani to indicate how he planned to keep order.



Trump conversation with Taliban leaders prior to withdrawal: “I will hold you responsible if any of the red lines were broken during our withdrawal.” Trump reminded of the Democrat favorite, Suleiman. Biden was the voice against killing Bin Laden. Point made. Fear and respect for Trump.


Instead you voted for the Democrats, who proceeded to turn the airport and tons.....TONS....of arms over to our enemies.


When did you begin hating America?

 

[daveman]

Trump evacuated the troops that should have been used as leverage to get the Taliban to comply with his conditions. His lame duck withdrawals caused a drop in morale among Afghan Army personal. It's no wonder they hated America more than the Taliban after the treatment Benedict Donald gave them.

We had nothing left, Trump gave away the candy store.

But as I have said, Biden knew the power the US Presidents have with the most powerful military force in the world, and decided against the forever war our Generals were asking to continue.

He is just a better man that that "no good double dealin, back stabin, two timing, perverted larcenist worm."....

Poor powerless, helpless Joe.

 

[daveman]

Trump agreed to fewer troops.

Poor powerless, helpless Joe.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The army just kicked the Democrats in the....propagnda.

"Biden Attacks Credibility of U.S. Army Report on Afghanistan, Doubles Down on Botched Withdrawal"​

Biden Attacks Credibility of U.S. Army Report on Afghanistan, Doubles Down on Botched Withdrawal

Earlier this week, a U.S. Army report on Biden’s botched withdrawal from Afghanistan concluded that senior White House and State Department officials ignored the signs that the Taliban was advan...

pjmedia.com

It remains a one-question IQ test: "Which party did you vote for in '20????"

 

[BlindBoo]

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20 years. Saul Biden, Man, Saul Biden.

 

[PoliticalChic]

20 years. Saul Biden, Man, Saul Biden.

Why did the guy you voted for, Biden, turn these over to our enemies???

the Taliban seized way more ScanEagle drones than the government is saying they did. There is no accounting on the number of crashed units.

Direct Quote from Report
“This also raises concerns about how NAVAIR justified procuring 105 ScanEagle vehicles totaling over $32 million and spare parts totaling over $52 million, and future planned procurements.”

This week, the SIGAR audit on the $174 million drone loss disappeared from its website. Here is the link that was removed.

Here is a breakdown of estimated vehicle costs:

• Armored personnel carriers such as the M113A2 cost $170,000 each and recent purchases of the M577A2 post carrier cost $333,333 each.
• Mine resistant vehicles ranges from $412,000 to $767,000. The total cost could range between $382 million to $711 million.
• Recovery vehicles such as the ‘truck, wrecker’ cost between for the base model $168,960 and $880,674 for super strength versions.
• Medium range tactical vehicles include 5-ton cargo and general transport trucks were priced at $67,139. However, the family of MTV heavy vehicleshad prices ranging from $235,500 to $724,820 each. Cargo trucks to transport airplanes cost $800,865.
• Humvees – ambulance type (range from $37,943 to $142,918 with most at $96,466); cargo type, priced at $104,682. Utility Humvees were typically priced at $91,429. However, the 12,000 lb. troop transport version cost up to $329,000.
• Light tactical vehicles: Fast attack combat vehicles ($69,400); and passenger motor vehicles ($65,500). All terrain 4-wheel vehicles go up to $42,273 in the military databases.

UPDATE: Biden's Gift to Taliban Included 110 Helicopters, 20 Light Attack Airplanes, 42,000 Light Attack Vehicles, 25,000 Grenade Launchers​

If you thought the Joe Biden Afghanistan disaster was bad now – things are going to get much worse. Joe Biden supplied the Taliban terrorist organization and their Islamist accomplices with billions of dollars worth of US armaments. Rather than destroying the equipment before leaving the...

www.thegatewaypundit.com




Is it becasue you Democrats hate America????

 

[BlindBoo]

Why did the guy you voted for, Biden, turn these over to our enemies???

After signing the Conditioned base Surrender Accords was there any condition that the Taliban met before Trump took us from 14,000 troops to a skeleton force of 2500? Was there any condition that they met?

Again after 20 year supplying the Afghan Army, do the Neo-GOP think we should have asked them politely to destroy the weapons they were using. Or better yeah we could have just targeted them instead of bombing the Taliban?

You did answer why the Don Flip-Flopped on his order to completely withdraw and left only a small force behind.

I agree with you too. He was mad about the election and did it out of spite for revenge.

Lil'Benedict Donnie.

 

[PoliticalChic]

After signing the Conditioned base Surrender Accords was there any condition that the Taliban met before Trump took us from 14,000 troops to a skeleton force of 2500? Was there any condition that they met?

Again after 20 year supplying the Afghan Army, do the Neo-GOP think we should have asked them politely to destroy the weapons they were using. Or better yeah we could have just targeted them instead of bombing the Taliban?

You did answer why the Don Flip-Flopped on his order to completely withdraw and left only a small force behind.

I agree with you too. He was mad about the election and did it out of spite for revenge.

Lil'Benedict Donnie.

Who was President for the debacle???

And.....did the sitting President have any obligation to follow a plan by the preceding President?

Why did Biden screw it up so badly???


Why do you vote for failure and injury to America???


Why do you continue to lie???



Why did Biden and the Democrats work so hard to arm our enemies?????

 

[PoliticalChic]

After signing the Conditioned base Surrender Accords was there any condition that the Taliban met before Trump took us from 14,000 troops to a skeleton force of 2500? Was there any condition that they met?

Again after 20 year supplying the Afghan Army, do the Neo-GOP think we should have asked them politely to destroy the weapons they were using. Or better yeah we could have just targeted them instead of bombing the Taliban?

You did answer why the Don Flip-Flopped on his order to completely withdraw and left only a small force behind.

I agree with you too. He was mad about the election and did it out of spite for revenge.

Lil'Benedict Donnie.

You made a terrible mistake in voting Democrat didn't you.

 

[daveman]

After signing the Conditioned base Surrender Accords was there any condition that the Taliban met before Trump took us from 14,000 troops to a skeleton force of 2500? Was there any condition that they met?

Again after 20 year supplying the Afghan Army, do the Neo-GOP think we should have asked them politely to destroy the weapons they were using. Or better yeah we could have just targeted them instead of bombing the Taliban?

You did answer why the Don Flip-Flopped on his order to completely withdraw and left only a small force behind.

I agree with you too. He was mad about the election and did it out of spite for revenge.

Lil'Benedict Donnie.

Poor little helpless Joe, utterly powerless to do anything as President.

 

[PoliticalChic]

 

[Moonglow]

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Prove he did since the equipment was there when Trump signed the papers to leave.

 

[eddiew37]

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Republicans seething with rage
MAGA Republicans are seething with rage because Biden hit his target

Republicans are in a rage over President Biden’s speech in Philadelphia, in which he flatly declared that the American democratic experiment is in serious danger due to Donald Trump and the Republicans who remain allied with his political project.
So here’s a question for those Republicans: What exactly in Biden’s speech was wrong?

Many objections have been general: Republicans say his speech disparaged millions, that it was angry, or divisive, or political, or hateful, or depicted Republicans as the enemy.
In coming days, these Republicans will retreat into right-wing media safe spaces to fulminate without facing cross-examination. But when they venture into mainstream forums, they should be pressed on specifics.

Let’s take Biden’s most fundamental claim about the MAGA-fied GOP and democracy:

Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic.

Biden elaborated:

MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to accept the results of a free election.

Some Republicans insist they do respect the Constitution and the rule of law. But Biden carefully distinguished between MAGA and non-MAGA Republicans, casting only the former in these terms.
The category of “MAGA Republicans” is vague. But we can certainly say a whole lot of them — including members of Congress — were largely supportive of Trump’s effort as president to overturn his election loss.
That MAGA coup attempt included extraordinarily corrupt pressure on many government actors, including law enforcement, which flouted the rule of law on its face. It involved pressure on Vice President Mike Pence to violate his constitutional duty. Pence himself said he was being asked to betray basic tenets of constitutional democracy.

Many Republicans who are now professing outrage supported all that. A review of their own conduct proves Biden right.

Biden also said this:

They look at the mob that stormed the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, brutally attacking law enforcement, not as insurrectionists who placed a dagger at the throat of our democracy, but they look at them as patriots.

Biden went on to accuse “MAGA forces” of fanning “political violence.”
Republicans sometimes say those who committed violent crimes should be prosecuted. That may be sincere in some cases, but again, what Biden said just does apply to Trump and the GOP’s MAGA wing.
This week, Trump strongly suggested that if elected again, he would pardon untold numbers who violently attacked the U.S. Capitol to prevent a legitimately elected government from taking power. Trump also said he would issue a government apology, meaning the Jan. 6 defendants are persecuted victims. This drew not a peep from most elected Republicans.

Meanwhile, other MAGA Republicans actually have called the Jan. 6 defendants “political prisoners” or have otherwise described the rioters as patriots. Many continue to hand-wave away or actively cover up Trump’s own role in inciting that violence, implying it was perhaps excessive but motivated by an underlying just cause.

Here’s more from Biden on MAGA:

They’re working right now as I speak in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself.

He amplified:

And they see their MAGA failure to stop a peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election as preparation for the 2022 and 2024 elections.

Which part of this do Republicans deny?
Right now, dozens of Republicans are seeking positions of control over election machinery, with Trump’s active support, while campaigning explicitly on their refusal to acknowledge that Biden was legitimately elected president. All of that represents a threat to use the power of their offices to treat future Democratic election wins as subject to nullification.

And so, the openly declared intentions of Trump and those MAGA Republicans show that they undeniably do pose a threat to our democratic system at a bedrock level.
Does that mean the system couldn’t recover if all Jan. 6 defendants walked or if Trump (or an imitator) and his allies illicitly overturn a future presidential election?
Not necessarily. But their actions are plainly a threat to our foundational democratic bargain, in which electoral losses are accepted as binding and the losers live to fight another day, and a hard line is drawn at political violence.

On that latter score, in fact, some scholars of political breakdown fear that the MAGA takeover of large swaths of the GOP really does portend future political violence and instability. Not civil war, necessarily, but higher levels of violence directed at influencing or contesting political outcomes.

And so, at a fundamental level, Biden’s core claim — that Trump and the swaths of the GOP allied with him pose a foundational threat — is absolutely reasonable.
Here’s the most basic point of all. Despite screams that Biden’s speech was dictatorial and cast MAGA as the enemy, he said this:

There are far more Americans, far more Americans from every background and belief, who reject the extreme MAGA ideology than those that accept it. And folks, it’s within our power, it’s in our hands, yours and mine, to stop the assault on American democracy.

That’s a call for Americans to defeat Trump and MAGA in a manner that is peaceful and democratic. Biden is saying that an anti-MAGA majority exists in this country that can and must mobilize to stabilize our system.
And the idea that this majority is out there and exists for the rousing — well, that’s what enrages Republicans most of all.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...hiladelphia-trump-maga-republicans-democracy/

 

[PoliticalChic]

Republicans seething with rage
MAGA Republicans are seething with rage because Biden hit his target

Republicans are in a rage over President Biden’s speech in Philadelphia, in which he flatly declared that the American democratic experiment is in serious danger due to Donald Trump and the Republicans who remain allied with his political project.
So here’s a question for those Republicans: What exactly in Biden’s speech was wrong?

Many objections have been general: Republicans say his speech disparaged millions, that it was angry, or divisive, or political, or hateful, or depicted Republicans as the enemy.
In coming days, these Republicans will retreat into right-wing media safe spaces to fulminate without facing cross-examination. But when they venture into mainstream forums, they should be pressed on specifics.

Let’s take Biden’s most fundamental claim about the MAGA-fied GOP and democracy:


Biden elaborated:

Some Republicans insist they do respect the Constitution and the rule of law. But Biden carefully distinguished between MAGA and non-MAGA Republicans, casting only the former in these terms.
The category of “MAGA Republicans” is vague. But we can certainly say a whole lot of them — including members of Congress — were largely supportive of Trump’s effort as president to overturn his election loss.
That MAGA coup attempt included extraordinarily corrupt pressure on many government actors, including law enforcement, which flouted the rule of law on its face. It involved pressure on Vice President Mike Pence to violate his constitutional duty. Pence himself said he was being asked to betray basic tenets of constitutional democracy.

Many Republicans who are now professing outrage supported all that. A review of their own conduct proves Biden right.

Biden also said this:

Biden went on to accuse “MAGA forces” of fanning “political violence.”
Republicans sometimes say those who committed violent crimes should be prosecuted. That may be sincere in some cases, but again, what Biden said just does apply to Trump and the GOP’s MAGA wing.
This week, Trump strongly suggested that if elected again, he would pardon untold numbers who violently attacked the U.S. Capitol to prevent a legitimately elected government from taking power. Trump also said he would issue a government apology, meaning the Jan. 6 defendants are persecuted victims. This drew not a peep from most elected Republicans.

Meanwhile, other MAGA Republicans actually have called the Jan. 6 defendants “political prisoners” or have otherwise described the rioters as patriots. Many continue to hand-wave away or actively cover up Trump’s own role in inciting that violence, implying it was perhaps excessive but motivated by an underlying just cause.

Here’s more from Biden on MAGA:

He amplified:

Which part of this do Republicans deny?
Right now, dozens of Republicans are seeking positions of control over election machinery, with Trump’s active support, while campaigning explicitly on their refusal to acknowledge that Biden was legitimately elected president. All of that represents a threat to use the power of their offices to treat future Democratic election wins as subject to nullification.

And so, the openly declared intentions of Trump and those MAGA Republicans show that they undeniably do pose a threat to our democratic system at a bedrock level.
Does that mean the system couldn’t recover if all Jan. 6 defendants walked or if Trump (or an imitator) and his allies illicitly overturn a future presidential election?
Not necessarily. But their actions are plainly a threat to our foundational democratic bargain, in which electoral losses are accepted as binding and the losers live to fight another day, and a hard line is drawn at political violence.

On that latter score, in fact, some scholars of political breakdown fear that the MAGA takeover of large swaths of the GOP really does portend future political violence and instability. Not civil war, necessarily, but higher levels of violence directed at influencing or contesting political outcomes.

And so, at a fundamental level, Biden’s core claim — that Trump and the swaths of the GOP allied with him pose a foundational threat — is absolutely reasonable.
Here’s the most basic point of all. Despite screams that Biden’s speech was dictatorial and cast MAGA as the enemy, he said this:

That’s a call for Americans to defeat Trump and MAGA in a manner that is peaceful and democratic. Biden is saying that an anti-MAGA majority exists in this country that can and must mobilize to stabilize our system.
And the idea that this majority is out there and exists for the rousing — well, that’s what enrages Republicans most of all.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...hiladelphia-trump-maga-republicans-democracy/

The Term "Extremism" Elevated To The Category of "Racist"

1. As we have seen before, Democrats use words, but just don't know what they mean. They bend, twist, and lie using their versions of the language, and that can be seen in Biden's speech. "Biden Warns That American Values Are Under Assault by Trump-Led Extremism"...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[struth]

Prove he did since the equipment was there when Trump signed the papers to leave.

Trump didn't sign the papers to leave....we were still there when Trump was in office, we didn't leave until Xiden took office....so yes, he left it there.