Stupak: "Legitimate" For BP Escrow Account To Fund Health Care

[WillowTree]

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.): "I think we had to have someone say this is where you can go without limiting your criminal liability or civil liability. For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but I think those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

hmmm....say an oysterman loses his business because of the oil spill and can no longer afford health care. Then he has a heart attack and needs immediate attention and therapy.

Why would that not be a legitimate claim against BP?

Your headline is misleading, Willow...but it is no surprise that none of the other "conservatives" called you on it.

because we the people are already on the hook to provide health care for those who cannot afford it. that's called double dipping.. asswipe.

 

[Ravi]

No, they only lose the ability for someone else to pay for services rendered.

But it's no surprise that such relatively elementary distinctions need to be 'splained to you.

You really are an asshole.

If they don't have the money to pay for health care insurance and they don't have the money to pay for health care because of BP's fuck up...how is that an illegitimate claim?

Life's tough...Shit happens...Wear a helmet.

I hope you warn your patients...if you fuck up their heads it is because they were stupid enough to seek therapy from you.

 

[Care4all]

Dude, PEOPLE DO lose their healthcare....even though there is COBRA where you can continue it....the price is abot 60%-80% MORE than what you were paying as your portion as an employee...5 years ago, when my husband had been downsized and lost his job....he was paying $200 a month for heath care insurance and on COBRA it was $650 a month....

when you lose your job even with unemployment insurance, it is near impossible to pay that kind of fee each month to continue ones coverage.

healthcare insurance, IS considered compensation in ones employment....every corp i worked for, at the end of the year, sent me a summary of what my total compensation was as an executive....they listed what they paid of my SS retirement,what they matched in 401k, what they paid as their portion of my healthcare insurance, what they paid in life insurance for me, what i got as a Bonus, and what i made in salary etc as my TOTAL COMPENSATION.

if bp is going to owe these people for what they have LOST by not being able to work anymore, then it is only JUST that their total compensation be the goal post imo....after all, they would still have a job and their health care insurance benefit is part of that....

absolutely this is fair, for those who lost it due to this catastrophe.

 

[Ravi]

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.): "I think we had to have someone say this is where you can go without limiting your criminal liability or civil liability. For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but I think those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

hmmm....say an oysterman loses his business because of the oil spill and can no longer afford health care. Then he has a heart attack and needs immediate attention and therapy.

Why would that not be a legitimate claim against BP?

Your headline is misleading, Willow...but it is no surprise that none of the other "conservatives" called you on it.

because we the people are already on the hook to provide health care for those who cannot afford it. that's called double dipping.. asswipe.

Oh, I see. You'd rather have the taxpayers pay for it.

 

[Vast LWC]

^^^^
Yet another one who purposefully supplants a lack of third party payer for services rendered in the guise of "health care".

Is there no end to this intellectual dishonesty?

When you are employed by a company, and they make contributions to your health care plan, is that not a benefit?

Are such plans not often in fact called "benefits packages".

Now, since these people are receiving said benefit from their employers, and they will not be if they are unemployed due to BP's actions, then BP is causing a loss on the part of the employee.

That is the point. If the person won in a civil court, BP would be forced to pay the person in question for lost pay and benefits.

 

[WillowTree]

Dude, PEOPLE DO lose their healthcare....even though there is COBRA where you can continue it....the price is abot 60%-80% MORE than what you were paying as your portion as an employee...5 years ago, when my husband had been downsized and lost his job....he was paying $200 a month for heath care insurance and on COBRA it was $650 a month....

when you lose your job even with unemployment insurance, it is near impossible to pay that kind of fee each month to continue ones coverage.

healthcare insurance, IS considered compensation in ones employment....every corp i worked for, at the end of the year, send me a summary of what my total compensation was as an executive....they listed what they paid of my SS retirement, what they paid as their portion of my healthcare insurance, what they paid in life insurance for me, what i got as a Bonus, and what i made in salary etc as my TOTAL COMPENSATION.

if bp is going to owe these people for what they have LOST by not being able to work anymore, then it is only JUST that their total compensation be the goal post imo....after all, they would still have a job and their health care insurance benefit is part of that....

absolutely this is fair, for those who lost it due to this catastrophe.

yes, and come Jan. your ass will get a tax bill for your health coverage.. obie wan lied and you lapped it up

 

[Vast LWC]

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.): "I think we had to have someone say this is where you can go without limiting your criminal liability or civil liability. For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but I think those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

hmmm....say an oysterman loses his business because of the oil spill and can no longer afford health care. Then he has a heart attack and needs immediate attention and therapy.

Why would that not be a legitimate claim against BP?

Your headline is misleading, Willow...but it is no surprise that none of the other "conservatives" called you on it.

because we the people are already on the hook to provide health care for those who cannot afford it. that's called double dipping.. asswipe.

That's a bunch of crap. Why? Because if BP is paying for their healthcare, then WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

So, it's not "dipping" at all.

 

[WillowTree]

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.): "I think we had to have someone say this is where you can go without limiting your criminal liability or civil liability. For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but I think those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

hmmm....say an oysterman loses his business because of the oil spill and can no longer afford health care. Then he has a heart attack and needs immediate attention and therapy.

Why would that not be a legitimate claim against BP?

Your headline is misleading, Willow...but it is no surprise that none of the other "conservatives" called you on it.

because we the people are already on the hook to provide health care for those who cannot afford it. that's called double dipping.. asswipe.

Oh, I see. You'd rather have the taxpayers pay for it.

the taxpayer pays for every damn thing you libturds beg for.

 

[Valerie]

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.): "I think we had to have someone say this is where you can go without limiting your criminal liability or civil liability. For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but I think those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

hmmm....say an oysterman loses his business because of the oil spill and can no longer afford health care. Then he has a heart attack and needs immediate attention and therapy.

Why would that not be a legitimate claim against BP?

Your headline is misleading, Willow...but it is no surprise that none of the other "conservatives" called you on it.

because we the people are already on the hook to provide health care for those who cannot afford it. that's called double dipping.. asswipe.

Shouldn't we be glad to have BP on the hook instead of sinking we the people over it???

 

[Rozman]

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.): "I think we had to have someone say this is where you can go without limiting your criminal liability or civil liability. For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but I think those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

hmmm....say an oysterman loses his business because of the oil spill and can no longer afford health care. Then he has a heart attack and needs immediate attention and therapy.

Why would that not be a legitimate claim against BP?

Your headline is misleading, Willow...but it is no surprise that none of the other "conservatives" called you on it.

I totally agree....But I think we need to take this a step further.

Let's say Oysterman can't work and because of this he starts to feel depressed so he starts to drink again,then he feels lonely and unloved so he calls a few buddies and goes to a strip club that he normally would not visit.He ends up closing the place down and leaves with one of the strippers called Joe.Well he thought this lady was the cutest thing and who can blame him since he drank 13 beers and a few shots.Well as it turns out Joe was really not short for Josephine it was short for....well it was short for Joe.So he ends up in divorce court and becomes the talk of the town...Well BP is responsible right.

Or how bout this. I am starting to feel out of sorts because of all this and will start to look for a lib lawyer to represent me...I wonder what John Edwards is up to...

Stay tuned I have a bunch of What if's for Oysterman.
Typical libs always looking for ways to spend other peoples money.

That was somewhat amusing but is it your opinion that there are no legitimate claims against BP?

The amount of LEGAL claims against BP will be tremendous...We don't need to go way out there to punish\to jump on the bandwagon\to stick it to BP because they have the money.
You know how it is with people.They get in a car accident and they feel they hit the lottery.
The people who file bullshit claims will hurt the legitimate claimants.You used a poor example maybe.This "Oysterman" bears no responsibility for the life he led?.So now we have the "Golden Goose" to pay through the nose.You start with this and the only ones who will make out on this will be the lawyers.

 

[Vast LWC]

Bullshit...In this case, it's called "mooching".

No, actually it's called repayment for civil and criminal liability.

But of course you're going to side with the corporation no matter what.

Is the modern "Libertarian" really nothing but a corporate oligarchist?

Why is it that you always seem to side with the corporations no matter what?

 

[WillowTree]

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.): "I think we had to have someone say this is where you can go without limiting your criminal liability or civil liability. For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but I think those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

hmmm....say an oysterman loses his business because of the oil spill and can no longer afford health care. Then he has a heart attack and needs immediate attention and therapy.

Why would that not be a legitimate claim against BP?

Your headline is misleading, Willow...but it is no surprise that none of the other "conservatives" called you on it.

because we the people are already on the hook to provide health care for those who cannot afford it. that's called double dipping.. asswipe.

Shouldn't we be glad to have BP on the hook instead of sinking we the people over it???

BP is supposed to pay the people of the Gulf coast for their lost wages, their lost business, the clean up.. we the people already cover health care for all ameircans or did you miss that shyster vote in the Senate. the libturds are going to demonize and browbeat BP right into declaring bankruptcy then we the people will pick up the entire tab.

 

[Oddball]

because we the people are already on the hook to provide health care for those who cannot afford it. that's called double dipping.. asswipe.

Oh, I see. You'd rather have the taxpayers pay for it.

the taxpayer pays for every damn thing you libturds beg for.

Damn straight....I think it's high time to throw in the towel.

BP's rig blows up?...Gubmint's fault for allowing them drill.
Stock market crashes?..Gubmit's fault for allowing them to trade stocks.
Housing bubble pops? ...Gubmint's fault for allowing people to buy houses.
Can't quit stuffing coke up your nose?...Gubmint's fault for allowing that white powder to get in the country.

Post nasal drip?...Ring-around-the-collar?...That "not so fresh" feeling?...I'm sure we can get a gubmint program to help us pay for those terrible afflictions too!

 

[Vast LWC]

I totally agree....But I think we need to take this a step further.

Let's say Oysterman can't work and because of this he starts to feel depressed so he starts to drink again,then he feels lonely and unloved so he calls a few buddies and goes to a strip club that he normally would not visit.He ends up closing the place down and leaves with one of the strippers called Joe.Well he thought this lady was the cutest thing and who can blame him since he drank 13 beers and a few shots.Well as it turns out Joe was really not short for Josephine it was short for....well it was short for Joe.So he ends up in divorce court and becomes the talk of the town...Well BP is responsible right.

Or how bout this. I am starting to feel out of sorts because of all this and will start to look for a lib lawyer to represent me...I wonder what John Edwards is up to...

Stay tuned I have a bunch of What if's for Oysterman.
Typical libs always looking for ways to spend other peoples money.

That was somewhat amusing but is it your opinion that there are no legitimate claims against BP?

The amount of LEGAL claims against BP will be tremendous...We don't need to go way out there to punish\to jump on the bandwagon\to stick it to BP because they have the money.
You know how it is with people.They get in a car accident and they feel they hit the lottery.
The people who file bullshit claims will hurt the legitimate claimants.You used a poor example maybe.This "Oysterman" bears no responsibility for the life he led?.So now we have the "Golden Goose" to pay through the nose.You start with this and the only ones who will make out on this will be the lawyers.

BP had 100 times the amount of willful, egregious violations of regulations than their closest competitor. They had 700 times the amount of violations as Exxon/Mobil.

This is not similar to an accident on the road, this bears more resemblance to getting hit by a drunk driver.

And BP needs to have it stuck to them, because their track record is absolutely off-the-charts in it's utter disregard for any kind of responsibility.

 

[Oddball]

Bullshit...In this case, it's called "mooching".

No, actually it's called repayment for civil and criminal liability.

But of course you're going to side with the corporation no matter what.

Is the modern "Libertarian" really nothing but a corporate oligarchist?

Why is it that you always seem to side with the corporations no matter what?

I'll go with the maker over the taker any day of the week.

Sometimes you win...Sometimes you lose...Sometimes it rains...But you can bet your ass that I'll be the last one crying to Big Daddy Big Gubmint that "life just ain't faaaaaaiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrr!"

 

[WillowTree]

Oh, I see. You'd rather have the taxpayers pay for it.

the taxpayer pays for every damn thing you libturds beg for.

Damn straight....I think it's high time to throw in the towel.

BP's rig blows up?...Gubmint's fault for allowing them drill.
Stock market crashes?..Gubmit's fault for allowing them to trade stocks.
Housing bubble pops? ...Gubmint's fault for allowing people to buy houses.
Can't quit stuffing coke up your nose?...Gubmint's fault for allowing that white powder to get in the country.

Post nasal drip?...Ring-around-the-collar?...That "not so fresh" feeling?...I'm sure we can get a gubmint program to help us pay for those terrible afflictions too!

it's fixing to come to a screeching halt. the gimmies will soon out number the givers. it's inevitable.

 

[WillowTree]

That was somewhat amusing but is it your opinion that there are no legitimate claims against BP?

The amount of LEGAL claims against BP will be tremendous...We don't need to go way out there to punish\to jump on the bandwagon\to stick it to BP because they have the money.
You know how it is with people.They get in a car accident and they feel they hit the lottery.
The people who file bullshit claims will hurt the legitimate claimants.You used a poor example maybe.This "Oysterman" bears no responsibility for the life he led?.So now we have the "Golden Goose" to pay through the nose.You start with this and the only ones who will make out on this will be the lawyers.

BP had 100 times the amount of willful, egregious violations of regulations than their closest competitor. They had 700 times the amount of violations as Exxon/Mobil.

This is not similar to an accident on the road, this bears more resemblance to getting hit by a drunk driver.

And BP needs to have it stuck to them, because their track record is absolutely off-the-charts in it's utter disregard for any kind of responsibility.

By US law BP is liable legally for 75 million dollars.

 

[WillowTree]

That was somewhat amusing but is it your opinion that there are no legitimate claims against BP?

The amount of LEGAL claims against BP will be tremendous...We don't need to go way out there to punish\to jump on the bandwagon\to stick it to BP because they have the money.
You know how it is with people.They get in a car accident and they feel they hit the lottery.
The people who file bullshit claims will hurt the legitimate claimants.You used a poor example maybe.This "Oysterman" bears no responsibility for the life he led?.So now we have the "Golden Goose" to pay through the nose.You start with this and the only ones who will make out on this will be the lawyers.

BP had 100 times the amount of willful, egregious violations of regulations than their closest competitor.

They had 700 times the amount of violations as Exxon/Mobil.

This is not similar to an accident on the road, this bears more resemblance to getting hit by a drunk driver.

And BP needs to have it stuck to them, because their track record is absolutely off-the-charts in it's utter disregard for any kind of responsibility.

Yes, they did,, and who let them continue to drill?

 

[ConHog]

The amount of LEGAL claims against BP will be tremendous...We don't need to go way out there to punish\to jump on the bandwagon\to stick it to BP because they have the money.
You know how it is with people.They get in a car accident and they feel they hit the lottery.
The people who file bullshit claims will hurt the legitimate claimants.You used a poor example maybe.This "Oysterman" bears no responsibility for the life he led?.So now we have the "Golden Goose" to pay through the nose.You start with this and the only ones who will make out on this will be the lawyers.

BP had 100 times the amount of willful, egregious violations of regulations than their closest competitor.

They had 700 times the amount of violations as Exxon/Mobil.

This is not similar to an accident on the road, this bears more resemblance to getting hit by a drunk driver.

And BP needs to have it stuck to them, because their track record is absolutely off-the-charts in it's utter disregard for any kind of responsibility.

Yes, they did,, and who let them continue to drill?

That's a fair point. I mean IF a guy has 700 more DWI's than the next biggest drunk in town and he gets in a car and kills someone wouldn't we blame the judges who didn't throw his ass in jail at least partly?

As for you libbies. Why do you not comprehend the difference between healthcare and healthcare insurance? I mean come on...Should BP be responsible? I think they should be IF it can be proven that they had insurance before losing it due to losing their job due to the spill. if a fisherman didn't have health insurance before the spill then fuck no he is not entitled to gain that at BP's expense.

By the way not having health care insurance does not deny ANYONE healthcare. You could walk into a hospital and completely tell them that you have no money, no insurance, and no intention of paying the bill , if you need emergency care you WILL get it.

 

[rightwinger]

For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but Ithink those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

Willow.....do you read what you post?

If someone had a job relying on the Gulf Coast and lost it because of the spill and in the process lost their healthcare, shouldn't BP make it right?