Students Will Stay After School 20 Minutes Each Day to Make Up For Teacher Sick-Outs

[Flopper]

I've heard the "we don't have enough money for books and pencils" since I was in Grade School.

Yes and No. Text books are usually a logistics problem. Books were ordered but they didn't arrive or a larger than expected enrollment, etc. The policy on supplies varies a lot between districts. Most districts make student supplies student responsibly. Some districts provide some additional supplies for kids that don't bring supplies, other don't. Classroom supplies is where the teacher will often get stuck paying for them out of pocket and it can get to be pretty expensive.

Maybe they should cut back on the amount of Computers they purchase? Could probably buy a whole lot of books & pencils with the saved cash no? Personally i think Computers are highly over-rated in educating children in School. They often only end up being distracted by searching for Porn or Tweeting. I really do think educators have relied on computers too much in recent years. I think laziness is an issue with many of these Teachers. They just pawn the kid off on a computer instead of doing their job. Maybe less computers and more books & pencils is the answer? Just spit-balling here though. Something else to think about anyway.

Most school districts don’t spend that much buying computer. A lot of the computers are donated or bought with grant money. As far their educational value, it all depends on the program and how the teacher uses it. If you think the teacher just sits the kid in front of a computer while she does crosswords, you ‘re wrong. The computers often mean more work for the teacher, not less. The programs I am familiar with show the teachers the areas in which students need more help and the teacher is one that has to provide it.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Most school districts don’t spend that much buying computer. A lot of the computers are donated or bought with grant money. As far their educational value, it all depends on the program and how the teacher uses it. If you think the teacher just sits the kid in front of a computer while she does crosswords, you ‘re wrong. The computers often mean more work for the teacher, not less. The programs I am familiar with show the teachers the areas in which students need more help and the teacher is one that has to provide it.

Students are only on campus from 07:30 to 14:30, so obviously teachers only work 6, maybe 7, -hours per day.


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[Rozman]

They should have made them stay a few weeks into their summer vacation...

 

[Flopper]

Most school districts don’t spend that much buying computer. A lot of the computers are donated or bought with grant money. As far their educational value, it all depends on the program and how the teacher uses it. If you think the teacher just sits the kid in front of a computer while she does crosswords, you ‘re wrong. The computers often mean more work for the teacher, not less. The programs I am familiar with show the teachers the areas in which students need more help and the teacher is one that has to provide it.

Students are only on campus from 07:30 to 14:30, so obviously teachers only work 6, maybe 7, -hours per day.


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That 7 hours is only the time the teacher spends with students. Every night it's preparing for the next day, grading papers and assignment, planning classroom exercises, class presentations and handling all the paperwork and there's plenty of that.

 

[WorldWatcher]

They should have made them stay a few weeks into their summer vacation...

Typically when mandatory days need to be made up (and I say typically since some school district may do something differently), the way to make-up mandatory days falls into one of three primary ways...

1. Extend the day,

2. Saturday secessions,

3. Extend the school year the required number of days.


When put to the parents the majority usually opt for #1 as it is the least disruption. A good chunk of parents opt for #2, however the school district may see high absentism which costs them more money in state/federal matching funds. Parent's (at least in my system) will often pitch-a-***** about the school interfering with family summer vacation plans.



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[HereWeGoAgain]

Who on this board works for hours after work hours without pay? When you compare the salaries and benefits of a private sector worker to a teacher, the teacher is paid considerably less than an equally educated private sector worker even when you take into account the "vacations" they get.

Teachers work 180 days a year.
Compare that to the average worker who works 220 days a year

Teachers are mandated to be on school grounds from 8-4 with a 42 minute lunch and at least one 42 minute free period...working 6.5 hours
Compare that to the average worker who is mandated to be at work 8:30-5:30 with an hour lunch and two 15 minute breaks....working 7.5 hours

So that being said...

Teachers work 1170 hours a year

The average worker works 1650 hours a year

a difference of about 480 hours a year

Spread that over the 180 days they work and that is about 2 hours and 40 minutes a day that they need to work at night to work equal hours to the average worker.

And that is assuming the average worker doesnt ALSO have to work at night.

And that is a very lame assumption....as one who is equally educated to a teacher is likely working late nioghts as well....thus why the higher salaries.....

Instead of spewing crap you know nothing about, I suggest you first do the math.

You know nothing about what teachers do.

When I worked as a teacher, I worked at least 2.5 hours every evenings and that doesn't include the parent teacher conferences, the PTA meetings, grant applications, the Friday nights directing traffic at football games, Chess club twice a week, staff meetings, meetings with my curriculum supervisor, conferences with Special Ed teachers, district survey, DOE surveys, student evaluation, after school training on student discipline, cleaning up bodily fluid, and every other waste of time the legislature could think up.

Do parents and the public think that tests, student assignments, and classroom presentations just magically appear? Grading papers and assignments are done by the tooth fairy?

Your post illustrates exactly why I no longer teach. I enjoyed teaching kids, but it's just not worth it.

You decided it wasnt worth teaching for the amount of pay you recieved. Thats your choice.
But you knew going in what the pay scale was correct?
Thats the main thing that ticks me off!!! The teacher knew going in what they were to be paid. It's not like they were lead to believe something different.

And if our teachers are so smart then why where they stupid enough to take the job in the first place?
I'm tired of hearing the argument "but other people with the same education make more money" No one told them to be teachers!!!
It sounds to me they made a poor choice when it comes to career decisions. So who's fault is that?
We've been throwing money at education for a long time with crappy results.
It has nothing to do with money,it has to do with the lack of discipline in schools and at home.
You cant spank the little brats anymore so there are no repercusions when they act like little shits. THAT is the reason teachers cant teach!! And I dont blame them for hating there jobs when the classroom is uncontrollable.
But thats a whole nother topic(but I blame the libs for getting rid of school discipline)
So in closing.........If you dont like your job get into another line of work.

 

[Jack Fate]

one-third of high school students in Spokane, Washington drop out. That is horrendous no matter what your excuse is. How can we keep spending money for failure?

 

[bodecea]

Who on this board works for hours after work hours without pay? When you compare the salaries and benefits of a private sector worker to a teacher, the teacher is paid considerably less than an equally educated private sector worker even when you take into account the "vacations" they get.

Teachers work 180 days a year.
Compare that to the average worker who works 220 days a year

Teachers are mandated to be on school grounds from 8-4 with a 42 minute lunch and at least one 42 minute free period...working 6.5 hours
Compare that to the average worker who is mandated to be at work 8:30-5:30 with an hour lunch and two 15 minute breaks....working 7.5 hours

So that being said...

Teachers work 1170 hours a year

The average worker works 1650 hours a year

a difference of about 480 hours a year

Spread that over the 180 days they work and that is about 2 hours and 40 minutes a day that they need to work at night to work equal hours to the average worker.

And that is assuming the average worker doesnt ALSO have to work at night.

And that is a very lame assumption....as one who is equally educated to a teacher is likely working late nioghts as well....thus why the higher salaries.....

Instead of spewing crap you know nothing about, I suggest you first do the math.

You know nothing about what teachers do.

When I worked as a teacher, I worked at least 2.5 hours every evenings and that doesn't include the parent teacher conferences, the PTA meetings, grant applications, the Friday nights directing traffic at football games, Chess club twice a week, staff meetings, meetings with my curriculum supervisor, conferences with Special Ed teachers, district survey, DOE surveys, student evaluation, after school training on student discipline, cleaning up bodily fluid, and every other waste of time the legislature could think up.

Do parents and the public think that tests, student assignments, and classroom presentations just magically appear? Grading papers and assignments are done by the tooth fairy?

Your post illustrates exactly why I no longer teach. I enjoyed teaching kids, but it's just not worth it.

People like that wouldn't last one week in a classroom, I'm guessing.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Can someone explain to me why folks are upset that they're making up the lost time?

Yes, I know it wasn't the kids fault and I disagree that the teachers blew the kids off to go protest. BUT, that's what happened and now the time needs to be made up. How is 20 minutes a day for however long - end of school year? - going to be a problem? If the teachers extended the school year by xx days to make it up would that quiet people down? How about if they shortened spring break? The fact is the time needs to be made up . . . what am I missing?

 

[Dr Grump]

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I'm tired of hearing the argument "but other people with the same education make more money" No one told them to be teachers!!!
It sounds to me they made a poor choice when it comes to career decisions. So who's fault is that?

So your'e saying teachers can't use that argument for a pay rise? Why not? That is a legitimate argument IMO. Why do people with the same education get paid more? Why can't the teachers use that argument? Why is a person with the same education who gets paid more worth more?

 

[Jack Fate]

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I'm tired of hearing the argument "but other people with the same education make more money" No one told them to be teachers!!!
It sounds to me they made a poor choice when it comes to career decisions. So who's fault is that?

So your'e saying teachers can't use that argument for a pay rise? Why not? That is a legitimate argument IMO. Why do people with the same education get paid more? Why can't the teachers use that argument? Why is a person with the same education who gets paid more worth more?

Lots of us have an education. I saw a local teacher on the news last night and she was moaning....."I don't feel secure in my job any more......what are we going to do.....how do we know who to lay off........oh my.....it's just so hard...."

Am I supposed to feel something special for her? There are millions of Americans who are losing money and benefits, homes, property, etc. Is she something special? Sorry. She's not.

 

[bodecea]

They should have made them stay a few weeks into their summer vacation...

Typically when mandatory days need to be made up (and I say typically since some school district may do something differently), the way to make-up mandatory days falls into one of three primary ways...

1. Extend the day,

2. Saturday secessions,

3. Extend the school year the required number of days.


When put to the parents the majority usually opt for #1 as it is the least disruption. A good chunk of parents opt for #2, however the school district may see high absentism which costs them more money in state/federal matching funds. Parent's (at least in my system) will often pitch-a-***** about the school interfering with family summer vacation plans.



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Last year, when they had the H1-N1 scare, they had a confirmed case at my daughter's HS. They sent the kids home with a letter saying they were closing school for 2 weeks and for parents to keep kids at home and not let them out and about much. Well, once everyone realized it wasn't that big a thing, they pulled the kids back in 3 days later...not 2 weeks. We are friends with one of the VPs and one Counselor...they said they were getting complaining phone calls from parents who had already booked family cruise vacations for those 2 weeks and either wanted the school to stay closed for the two weeks or else reimburse the parents for the price of the cruise (so much for keeping the kids home because of the flu, eh?)

 

[bodecea]

Can someone explain to me why folks are upset that they're making up the lost time?

Yes, I know it wasn't the kids fault and I disagree that the teachers blew the kids off to go protest. BUT, that's what happened and now the time needs to be made up. How is 20 minutes a day for however long - end of school year? - going to be a problem? If the teachers extended the school year by xx days to make it up would that quiet people down? How about if they shortened spring break? The fact is the time needs to be made up . . . what am I missing?

Parents who teach their children that staying 20 minutes longer at school is somehow bad...is somehow a punishment...is somehow something to get angry about. That's it.

 

[MarcATL]

Madison students will have up to 20 minutes added to their school day to make up for missed school last month because their teachers were attending protests at the state capitol.

The district received more than 1,000 sick notes, including some from doctors who were handing them out at the Capitol protests.

The UW Health entities that employ the physicians, are investigating of the reported fraud.

Madison.com reported:

Students in the Madison School District will have up to 20 minutes of additional classroom time each day starting Monday to make up for four days canceled last month because teachers were attending protests.

Because no additional days will be added to the calendar, most teachers will not receive additional compensation for that time, district spokesman Ken Syke said.

Madison schools were closed to students Feb. 16-18 and Feb. 21 because a significant number of teachers called in sick to attend protests against a state proposal to limit public employee collective bargaining. Gov. Scott Walker signed it into law Friday.

The School Board reached an agreement with Madison Teachers Inc. over the weekend that allowed the district to set the makeup calendar. The agreement also ensures teachers with unexcused absences will not be paid for those days and that teachers who submitted fraudulent sick notes will be suspended.

The district has not yet released the number of teachers that missed school to work those days. The district received more than 1,000 sick notes, including some from doctors who were handing them out at the Capitol protests, assistant legal counsel Matt Bell said.

So the students are being held over because their teachers are raging liberal moonbats?
The kids will love that.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Ah....the attitude that School is Punishment. And people wonder why kids don't learn.....

Well, considering that the KIDS were ready willing and able to attend school during the REGULAR hours and it's ONLY because of the teacher's complete disregard for them that they have to now go to school LONGER than normal, yes, I tend to blame the teachers for that.

PS: Nice try at putting words that I didn't say into my mouth....too bad you got caught.

Sorry, but I'm not caught at all....YOU and others here have made it abundantly clear that you believe that a longer school day is some form of punishment and that the students will be pissed. Now....I wonder who puts that kind of attitude into their impressionable minds, that school is bad and staying any longer is really really bad?

Could it be you parents?

You are an idiot, you know students are not going to be happy. The cry baby teachers should lose their accreditation.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

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I'm tired of hearing the argument "but other people with the same education make more money" No one told them to be teachers!!!
It sounds to me they made a poor choice when it comes to career decisions. So who's fault is that?

So your'e saying teachers can't use that argument for a pay rise? Why not? That is a legitimate argument IMO. Why do people with the same education get paid more? Why can't the teachers use that argument? Why is a person with the same education who gets paid more worth more?

If you use that argument then you could apply it across the whole spectrum of jobs.
And if I felt like spending the time i'm sure I could come up with some ridiculous examples of your theory.
So your saying you should base a persons pay based on how many years they went to college?
If you have to ask why people with the same amount of education but in different fields get paid differently then your not thinking it through....or your a teacher.

 

[bodecea]

Well, considering that the KIDS were ready willing and able to attend school during the REGULAR hours and it's ONLY because of the teacher's complete disregard for them that they have to now go to school LONGER than normal, yes, I tend to blame the teachers for that.

PS: Nice try at putting words that I didn't say into my mouth....too bad you got caught.

Sorry, but I'm not caught at all....YOU and others here have made it abundantly clear that you believe that a longer school day is some form of punishment and that the students will be pissed. Now....I wonder who puts that kind of attitude into their impressionable minds, that school is bad and staying any longer is really really bad?

Could it be you parents?

You are an idiot, you know students are not going to be happy. The cry baby teachers should lose their accreditation.

And why will the students be unhappy...because they are being taught AT HOME that school is a chore...that school is only something you put up with for a designated amount of time and no more...that learning has a time limit...and that teachers are cry babies.

That's what you teach your kids....and then blame teachers when your kids don't want to bother to learn what they are taught.

 

[bodecea]

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I'm tired of hearing the argument "but other people with the same education make more money" No one told them to be teachers!!!
It sounds to me they made a poor choice when it comes to career decisions. So who's fault is that?

So your'e saying teachers can't use that argument for a pay rise? Why not? That is a legitimate argument IMO. Why do people with the same education get paid more? Why can't the teachers use that argument? Why is a person with the same education who gets paid more worth more?

If you use that argument then you could apply it across the whole spectrum of jobs.
And if I felt like spending the time i'm sure I could come up with some ridiculous examples of your theory.
So your saying you should base a persons pay based on how many years they went to college? If you have to ask why people with the same amount of education but in different fields get paid differently then your not thinking it through....or your a teacher.

Welcome to the real world.

 

[Cain]

Our school is going to be 30 minutes longer because of all the snow-days.

 

[bodecea]

Our school is going to be 30 minutes longer because of all the snow-days.

Those lazy teachers, not opening school even tho the roads were closed. The parents should make sure their kids know the teachers were lazy good for nothings so they are being PUNISHED with more school.