Strong Solar Power Panels igniting Birds. Stupid Global Warmer losers.

[Theowl32]

Bravo!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

Originally, the standby position was to create a tight circle of solar flux you can actually see above the tower.

But when the engineers focused 3,000 heliostats there on January 14th, 115 birds were killed as they flew through the concentrated solar flux at the focal point where all the reflections met.

According to the compliance report filed by Stantec with regulators as required by the BLM:

“Approximately 3,000 heliostats were staged in a position which reflected light and heat to a concentrated point above the central tower. A halo above the tower was visible from the ground (Figure 1). The heat was so intense that birds flying into the halo were immediately burned and smoke was clearly evident. Approximately 115 mortalities were noted between 11:15 AM and 3:30 PM. Appropriate agencies, including BLM, were notified of the situation around 12:27 PM when bird mortalities associated with the halo were confirmed.”

SolarReserve shut down the test and brainstormed how to solve the problem to reduce solar flux in standby position. The engineering team recalibrated the standby algorithm and the next day they put this into effect. Their new algorithm was designed so that no more than four ‘suns’ would hit any one focal point during standby.

“The difficulty is that that was a concentrated solar energy in that area above the tower,” SolarReserve CEO Kevin Smith told me this week.

“So what we did is we spread them over a several hundred meters of a sort of ‘pancake’ shape so any one point is safe for birds — it’s 4 suns or less.”

One Weird Trick Prevents Bird Deaths At Solar Towers

My goodness, a year old solved problem. What a stupid sucker you are for lies from the right wing. Ivanpah has many problems, but the bird deaths are no longer one of them. Every new technology has the teething problems, and this type of solar is no exception.

 

[Mr. H.]

Originally, the standby position was to create a tight circle of solar flux you can actually see above the tower.

But when the engineers focused 3,000 heliostats there on January 14th, 115 birds were killed as they flew through the concentrated solar flux at the focal point where all the reflections met.

According to the compliance report filed by Stantec with regulators as required by the BLM:

“Approximately 3,000 heliostats were staged in a position which reflected light and heat to a concentrated point above the central tower. A halo above the tower was visible from the ground (Figure 1). The heat was so intense that birds flying into the halo were immediately burned and smoke was clearly evident. Approximately 115 mortalities were noted between 11:15 AM and 3:30 PM. Appropriate agencies, including BLM, were notified of the situation around 12:27 PM when bird mortalities associated with the halo were confirmed.”

SolarReserve shut down the test and brainstormed how to solve the problem to reduce solar flux in standby position. The engineering team recalibrated the standby algorithm and the next day they put this into effect. Their new algorithm was designed so that no more than four ‘suns’ would hit any one focal point during standby.

“The difficulty is that that was a concentrated solar energy in that area above the tower,” SolarReserve CEO Kevin Smith told me this week.

“So what we did is we spread them over a several hundred meters of a sort of ‘pancake’ shape so any one point is safe for birds — it’s 4 suns or less.”

One Weird Trick Prevents Bird Deaths At Solar Towers

My goodness, a year old solved problem. What a stupid sucker you are for lies from the right wing. Ivanpah has many problems, but the bird deaths are no longer one of them. Every new technology has the teething problems, and this type of solar is no exception.

Has this resulted in a zero avian fatality matrix?

No.

One single dead bird does not absolve the hydrocarbon industry, nor should it absolve the solar industry.

Fuck you.

 

[Crick]

Bravo!!!

How many birds died from the Exxon Valdez disaster? According to the biological services branch of US Geodetical Services agency, that spill, ranked as the 54th largest worldwide, killed 259,000 birds.

Solar's got a ways to go you ignorant fool.

 

[Theowl32]

Bravo!!!

How many birds died from the Exxon Valdez disaster? According to the biological services branch of US Geodetical Services agency, that spill, ranked as the 54th largest worldwide, killed 259,000 birds.

Solar's got a ways to go you ignorant fool.

Oh, are you talking about the "oil spill?"

Hey loser who still uses products and relies on oil like the typical double talking hypocrite you are. Do you know oil (crude) is as natural as whale shit?

Go ahead loser. Take a guess how much icky "oil" seepage there is. Go ahead, how many metric tons of crude is leaked out into the oceans all around the world 24/365.

Here, let me help you out, loser.

Recent global estimates of crude-oil seepage rates suggest that about 47% of crude oil currently entering the marine environment is from natural seeps, whereas 53% results from leaks and spills during the extraction, transportation, refining, storage, and utilization of petroleum. The amount of natural crude-oil seepage is currently estimated to be 600,000 metric tons per year, with a range of uncertainty of 200,000 to 2,000,000 metric tons per year. Thus, natural oil seeps may be the single most important source of oil that enters the ocean, exceeding each of the various sources of crude oil that enters the ocean through its exploitation by humankind.

http://137.227.239.65/reports/reprints/Kvenvolden_GML_23.pdf


The left wingers truly are losers.

 

[Crick]

Good morning Mr Mathematically-Challenged,

There's a reason one is called seepage and one is a spill. Your 2,000,000 tons (max) of seepage is spread across most of the world's oceans (140 million square miles). The Exxon Valdez spilled 38,000 gallons over perhaps 5 square miles.

 

[Old Rocks]

There are significant bird kills in the ponds surrounding the areas being explored for oil, or in areas that are being mined for oil, such as the tar sands in Alberta.

http://www.nwf.org/~/media/PDFs/Global-Warming/2014/nwf_issue_briefs_Interactive2.pdf

The direct and indirect impacts to birds from tar sands development are immense. Waterfowl and shorebirds land in tailing ponds that they mistake for natural water bodies and become oiled with waste bitumen and toxic elements. They then drown, die from hypothermia, or suffer from ingestion of toxins.11 This has already resulted in two major bird kills, one of over 500 birds and the other 1600 birds.

Poisoning the Water and Air Toxic pollutants from tar sands development sites contaminate nearby wetlands and waterways through direct water contamination or deposition of airborne particulates through rain or runoff.

37 Toxic pollutants from tar sands development have been documented in the famed Athabasca River system downstream from tar sands operations at levels greater than could have come from natural seepage from the bitumen layer

.38 Contaminants were also found in snowpack over thirty miles from tar sands pollution sources

.39 Mercury, arsenic and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (a group of toxic chemicals referred to as PAHs, some of which are carcinogenic) have been found in the lower Athabasca River system and its tributary, the Muskeg River

.40 Significant releases of pollutants from tar sands operations caused by tailing ponds seepage, spills and a pipeline break into the Athabasca River have been documented repeatedly over the last forty-five years.

41 Seepage from toxic tailings is a significant concern. Tailing ponds contain a toxic mixture of bitumen salts, naphthenic acids, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) suspended in water, sand, silt, and fine clay.42 The ponds also contain heavy metals which can be toxic including arsenic, cadmium, copper, lead and zinc.43 In 2009, the seepage rate from all tar sands tailing ponds was estimated at about 2.9 million gallons per day.44

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[skookerasbil]

Anybody who really, really takes a close look at the global warming alarmists will find that they have absolutely ZERO interest in the environment.

This shit is a mental disorder for them......a desperate attempt to somehow get some control out of shit that cant be controlled. Its a mental fuck up..........very few fall into this category. Because most of the rest of the world are worrying about whats right in front of them......real stuff...........its called sanity. Too..........most folks on the GW bandwagon lack in real life responsibilities. Lounge lizards who can afford to spend 17 hours a day on a fucking message board!!!

 

[bodecea]

Bravo!!!

Drove by there on Friday on way to Vegas....they make a few more stations it will have its own weather pattern.

 

[bodecea]

As long as they are only doing it in Texas, they should continue fracking too.

 

[Old Rocks]

I see. You condone the deaths of hundreds of thousands of birds, but become excited by the deaths of less than 200. And the problem that created the deaths of those 200 has been taken care of, while the environmental atrocity that is tar sand mining is taking the lives on thousands of birds on an ongoing basis. LOL

 

[elektra]

How many birds died from the Exxon Valdez disaster? According to the biological services branch of US Geodetical Services agency, that spill, ranked as the 54th largest worldwide, killed 259,000 birds.

Solar's got a ways to go you ignorant fool.

That oil was needed to manufacture more solar panels. Without the demand of Solar and Wind, less oil is needed.

 

[elektra]

My goodness, a year old solved problem. What a stupid sucker you are for lies from the right wing. Ivanpah has many problems, but the bird deaths are no longer one of them. Every new technology has the teething problems, and this type of solar is no exception.

Ivanpah kills birds, and endangered desert turtles, and it does not work, great Science from the Democrats. Sure, Ivanpah has many problems, simply put, Solar does not work. New technology? Kids been concentrating the rays of the sun to fry ants for a hundred years?
Ivanpah Solar Project Faces Risk of Default on PG&E Contracts | The California Report | KQED News

Majority owner and plant manager NRG Energy said in its most recent quarterly report that it won’t be able to deliver the electricity promised in its power purchase agreements with PG&E. The agreements cover output from two of Ivanpah’s three units.

 

[Crick]

The wold's solar plants kill a tiny fraction of the number of birds and animals killed by the use of oil and coal for power. Ivanpah does work. However, as weve seen, the cost of solar PV is now less than that of thermal. Ivanpah is almost undoubtedly the last large scale solar-thermal plant to be built for that reason alone. Birds and wildlife are far, far better served by alternative energy sources than by the acquisition and combustion of fossil fuels for power.
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Either way, the results show that even with high-range estimates for renewables compared to low-range estimates for fossil fuels, fossil fuels are responsible for far more bird fatalities than solar or wind. Note the chart below:

A U.S. News and World Report chart shows estimates of how many birds are killed each year by different fuel sources.

CREDIT: U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT

 

[flacaltenn]

There should NEVER EVER be licenses granted for locating these solar death rays on a know migration route or critical habitat.. All those Govt "ecologists" become stupid, deaf, and mute when the applications come in for Wind or Solar facilities.

It's the same kind of bureaucratic negligence that caused the Eastern Bloc ecological disasters under the old Soviet Union.. We need to DEMAND that these agencies do their job without BIAS or hypocrisy...

And just a clarification. These Solar Thermal Tower Death Rays are not "solar panels". They are not semiconductor convertors.. They are simply huge MIRRORS that are servoed to focus on the tower. And from a bird's perspective, they look a lot like a "lake" in the middle of the desert. There is no good way to prevent this carnage.

BEST way is to let this experiment FAIL on it's own.. Which it is doing spectacularly at IvanPah.. No matter how many speeches Obama makes at the opening of these Death Ray sites --- they are STILL pretty much doomed if the technical issues are not worked out..

 

[flacaltenn]

The wold's solar plants kill a tiny fraction of the number of birds and animals killed by the use of oil and coal for power. Ivanpah does work. However, as weve seen, the cost of solar PV is now less than that of thermal. Ivanpah is almost undoubtedly the last large scale solar-thermal plant to be built for that reason alone. Birds and wildlife are far, far better served by alternative energy sources than by the acquisition and combustion of fossil fuels for power.
***************************************************************************************
Either way, the results show that even with high-range estimates for renewables compared to low-range estimates for fossil fuels, fossil fuels are responsible for far more bird fatalities than solar or wind. Note the chart below:

A U.S. News and World Report chart shows estimates of how many birds are killed each year by different fuel sources.

CREDIT: U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT

You are truly fact challenged. This is NOT a photovoltaic "solar" installation. It is a VERY RARE Solar thermal site. So comparing deaths/MWatt generated to ALL of solar ---- is as meaningless as the time you spend in this forum trying to comprehend the issues..

 

[Crick]

The wold's solar plants kill a tiny fraction of the number of birds and animals killed by the use of oil and coal for power. Ivanpah does work. However, as weve seen, the cost of solar PV is now less than that of thermal. Ivanpah is almost undoubtedly the last large scale solar-thermal plant to be built for that reason alone. Birds and wildlife are far, far better served by alternative energy sources than by the acquisition and combustion of fossil fuels for power.
***************************************************************************************
Either way, the results show that even with high-range estimates for renewables compared to low-range estimates for fossil fuels, fossil fuels are responsible for far more bird fatalities than solar or wind. Note the chart below:

A U.S. News and World Report chart shows estimates of how many birds are killed each year by different fuel sources.

CREDIT: U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT

You are truly fact challenged. This is NOT a photovoltaic "solar" installation. It is a VERY RARE Solar thermal site. So comparing deaths/MWatt generated to ALL of solar ---- is as meaningless as the time you spend in this forum trying to comprehend the issues..

Why don't you try reading what I wrote.

This:

"Ivanpah does work. However, as weve seen, the cost of solar PV is now less than that of thermal. Ivanpah is almost undoubtedly the last large scale solar-thermal plant to be built for that reason alone.

clearly states that Ivanpah is solar thermal.

 

[elektra]

Why don't you try reading what I wrote.
This: "Ivanpah does work. However, as weve seen, the cost of solar PV is now less than that of thermal. Ivanpah is almost undoubtedly the last large scale solar-thermal plant to be built for that reason alone.
clearly states that Ivanpah is solar thermal.

Ivanpah does not work, it is burning NATURAL GAS!

If a solar plant uses natural gas, is it still green?

Ivanpah Solar Compliance

Office of Ratepayer Advocates Recommends Default for Ivanpah Plants

Ivanpah Solar Plant Owners Want To Burn a Lot More Natural Gas

Ivanpah Solar Plant Owners Want To Burn a Lot More Natural Gas

 

[Crick]

Ivanpah is producing electricity from solar energy. Ivanpah works.

 

[elektra]

Ivanpah is producing electricity from solar energy. Ivanpah works.

Prove it!

The Owners of Ivanpah disagree with you, cricket.

Ivanpah Solar Plant Owners Want To Burn a Lot More Natural Gas

To that end, the companies have asked the California Energy Commission (CEC) to change the project's license to allow Ivanpah to burn more than 1.5 billion cubic feet of gas a year, and the plant's operators say that change won't have any environmental impact.