CDZ Stewart Rhodes: In defense of due process

[bodecea]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2020/09/16/more-than-half-all-wrongful-criminal-convictions-caused-by-government-misconduct-study-finds/

How many of those are federal?

 

[TemplarKormac]

I can't read this article but you do understand that the BLM protests were because of this?

Yeah, I do. Just because I oppose BLM does not mean I can contend government misconduct does not exist. It does, and it happens to everyone on both sides of the political spectrum.

BLM itself was based on a lie, not on a legitimate act of government misconduct.

However, if it happens in state governments, it most certainly does in the Federal realm.

 

[pknopp]

Yeah, I do. Just because I oppose BLM does not mean I can contend government misconduct does not exist. It does, and it happens to everyone on both sides of the political spectrum.

It isn't saying much about you where you admit a group has a valid complaint but still you are against them.

BLM itself was based on a lie, not on a legitimate act of government misconduct.

However, if it happens in state governments, it most certainly does in the Federal realm.

You are lying.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It isn't saying much about you where you admit a group has a valid complaint but still you are against them.

I'm against anyone who bases something on a lie to exploit a legitimate concern.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You are lying.

Prove me wrong then.

 

[pknopp]

I'm against anyone who bases something on a lie to exploit a legitimate concern.

Like how this person won't get due process?

 

[pknopp]

Prove me wrong then.

Your own words do that.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Like how this person won't get due process?

No. We were addressing BLM at this juncture. Don't change the subject.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Your own words do that.

That's by far the laziest response I've ever heard.

Can you prove to me that government misconduct in criminal proceedings does not occur?

 

[pknopp]

That's by far the laziest response I've ever heard.

Can you prove to me that government misconduct in criminal proceedings does not occur?

I can prove you don't care except when you see a political advantage to complain about it. Likely other reasons also.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I can prove you don't care except when you see a political advantage to complain about it. Likely other reasons also.

There is no political advantage for me, simply legitimate concern.

Now, prove I don't care. Quote specific statements where I state this situation is politically advantageous to me.

 

[pknopp]

There is no political advantage for me, simply legitimate concern.

Now, prove I don't care. Quote specific statements where I state this situation is politically advantageous to me.

Your own words have done that. I've already covered this.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Your own words have done that. I've already covered this.

That is an intellectually lazy response, a cop-out, not a genuine attempt to discredit my arguments.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Like how this person won't get due process?

Like I told you, due process is not limited to simply appearing in the courtroom. It goes way beyond that.

 

[pknopp]

That is an intellectually lazy response, a cop-out, not a genuine attempt to discredit my arguments.

There is nothing else to add. You admitted a problem but said you do not support those who have been protesting that problem for years.

 

[pknopp]

Like I told you, due process is not limited to simply appearing in the courtroom. It goes way beyond that.

And there is nothing to show he will not get a trial.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And there is nothing to show he will not get a trial.

Yeah, but I didn't claim he wouldn't get a trial, I said it wouldn't be fair. Like I said, due process extends beyond simply appearing in court.

 

[pknopp]

Yeah, but I didn't claim he wouldn't get a trial, I said it wouldn't be fair. Like I said, due process extends beyond simply appearing in court.

Among those arrested for Jan 6 hasn't received a fair trial?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Among those arrested for Jan 6 hasn't received a fair trial?

Easy, those who are in prison awaiting one. Hundreds of them.

 

[pknopp]

Easy, those who are in prison awaiting one. Hundreds of them.

No there isn't. That is just another lie you bought.