States rights pipe dream

[Dr Gregg]

When will many conservative realize this isn't 19th century anymore and get over their love affair over states rights? Having 50 different states with all kinds of different rules and regulations may have made sense back then, but these days of vast and fast travel, and much more complicated industries, it would be a clusterfuck having states rule everything by themselves. Hardly a united country. And certain things its just not feasible to have each state make their own rules and regulations.

Plus its happened already and the federal gov't has been strong for so long now. Stop kicking and screaming and try to make it work for once. Get over the pipe dream and ideology, its the way it is now, regardless of what you think the framers wanted.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Well, at least you finally admit that what you advocate is in stark contrast to the principles the country was founded upon. I'll give you that.

 

[Avatar4321]

So you are planning to overthrow the United States, for what exactly?

 

[Dr Gregg]

I'm not, you guys bitch and moan about things federal gov't does to violate states right, yet not a single supreme court case has determined that. I've even heard people claim regulations in drugs and other stuff should be determined by the states. Imagine what a clusterfuck that would be

 

[Avatar4321]

The Supreme Court isn't the final arbitor, the Constitution is.

 

[xsited1]

When will many conservative realize this isn't 19th century anymore and get over their love affair over states rights? Having 50 different states with all kinds of different rules and regulations may have made sense back then, but these days of vast and fast travel, and much more complicated industries, it would be a clusterfuck having states rule everything by themselves. Hardly a united country. And certain things its just not feasible to have each state make their own rules and regulations.

Plus its happened already and the federal gov't has been strong for so long now. Stop kicking and screaming and try to make it work for once. Get over the pipe dream and ideology, its the way it is now, regardless of what you think the framers wanted.

That's the nature of tyranny. We all remember this:

“A republic, if you can keep it.”
— Benjamin Franklin, upon leaving the Constitutional Convention, in answer to “What have we got?”

We lost it a long time ago.

 

[Dr Gregg]

The Supreme Court isn't the final arbitor, the Constitution is.

And who interprets and rules whether its constitutional or not? The Supreme court

Do you even know the constitution if you miss that part?

 

[kwc57]

When will many conservative realize this isn't 19th century anymore and get over their love affair over states rights? Having 50 different states with all kinds of different rules and regulations may have made sense back then, but these days of vast and fast travel, and much more complicated industries, it would be a clusterfuck having states rule everything by themselves. Hardly a united country. And certain things its just not feasible to have each state make their own rules and regulations.

Plus its happened already and the federal gov't has been strong for so long now. Stop kicking and screaming and try to make it work for once. Get over the pipe dream and ideology, its the way it is now, regardless of what you think the framers wanted.

Great post comrade! There will be an extra half loaf of stale bread waiting for you at the commissary, but don't tell the others........they believe they are all getting the same amount.

Seriously......how do all the countries in the world get along with all their different rules and laws? What about all the different companies in the same high rise?

 

[Defiant1]

when will many conservative realize this isn't 19th century anymore and get over their love affair over states rights? Having 50 different states with all kinds of different rules and regulations may have made sense back then, but these days of vast and fast travel, and much more complicated industries, it would be a clusterfuck having states rule everything by themselves. Hardly a united country. And certain things its just not feasible to have each state make their own rules and regulations.

Plus its happened already and the federal gov't has been strong for so long now. Stop kicking and screaming and try to make it work for once. Get over the pipe dream and ideology, its the way it is now, regardless of what you think the framers wanted.

that's the nature of tyranny. We all remember this:

“a republic, if you can keep it.”
— benjamin franklin, upon leaving the constitutional convention, in answer to “what have we got?”

we lost it a long time ago.

1865

 

[Avatar4321]

The Supreme Court isn't the final arbitor, the Constitution is.

And who interprets and rules whether its constitutional or not? The Supreme court

Do you even know the constitution if you miss that part?

Everyone is supposed to. Though many of our elected leaders are too cowardly to actually keep their oath of office.

The Constitution speaks for itself. Words mean something. I know you don't like that because you can't change things easily, but they do.

 

[JBeukema]

When will many conservative realize this isn't 19th century anymore and get over their love affair over states rights? Having 50 different states with all kinds of different rules and regulations may have made sense back then, but these days of vast and fast travel, and much more complicated industries, it would be a clusterfuck having states rule everything by themselves.

Nice strawman, but the Constitution clearly outlines specific areas in which the Fed can impose uniform laws. Noone's advocated what you accuse them of. Your post merits no further consideration.

 

[JBeukema]

The Supreme Court isn't the final arbitor, the Constitution is.

This post needs to be forwarded a number of threads and a lot of posters.

 

[JBeukema]

The Supreme Court isn't the final arbitor, the Constitution is.

And who interprets and rules whether its constitutional or not? The Supreme court

Do you even know the constitution if you miss that part?

When SCOTUS rules in direct contrast to what is clearly stated in the Constitution- well, I'm sure you're familiar with Jefferson's thoughts on how to handle such a matter.

 

[Avatar4321]

The Supreme Court isn't the final arbitor, the Constitution is.

This post needs to be forwarded a number of threads and a lot of posters.

I think there are people who specifically want the case law and not the actual Constitution dictating what it says.

 

[The T]

The Supreme Court isn't the final arbitor, the Constitution is.

As are The people.

 

[The T]

The Supreme Court isn't the final arbitor, the Constitution is.

This post needs to be forwarded a number of threads and a lot of posters.

I think there are people who specifically want the case law and not the actual Constitution dictating what it says.

Yep. They speak of precident. Even precident(s) can be and ARE wrong.

 

[The T]

When will many conservative realize this isn't 19th century anymore and get over their love affair over states rights? Having 50 different states with all kinds of different rules and regulations may have made sense back then, but these days of vast and fast travel, and much more complicated industries, it would be a clusterfuck having states rule everything by themselves. Hardly a united country. And certain things its just not feasible to have each state make their own rules and regulations.

Plus its happened already and the federal gov't has been strong for so long now. Stop kicking and screaming and try to make it work for once. Get over the pipe dream and ideology, its the way it is now, regardless of what you think the framers wanted.

And when will Statist Morons as you realize that just because Society on whole goes into the Gutter...doesn't necessarily mean that LAW must follow suit to reflect it?

 

[code1211]

The Supreme Court isn't the final arbitor, the Constitution is.

And who interprets and rules whether its constitutional or not? The Supreme court

Do you even know the constitution if you miss that part?

The power of the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution was established in Case Law, not the Constitution. Somebody help. Was this Marbury v. Madison?

 

[Dr Gregg]

When will many conservative realize this isn't 19th century anymore and get over their love affair over states rights? Having 50 different states with all kinds of different rules and regulations may have made sense back then, but these days of vast and fast travel, and much more complicated industries, it would be a clusterfuck having states rule everything by themselves.

Nice strawman, but the Constitution clearly outlines specific areas in which the Fed can impose uniform laws. Noone's advocated what you accuse them of. Your post merits no further consideration.

Yes, they have many times, and do it all the time when feds set up regulations and new statutes. try reading the forums and people's posts for once, instead of listening to yourself

 

[Dr Gregg]

When will many conservative realize this isn't 19th century anymore and get over their love affair over states rights? Having 50 different states with all kinds of different rules and regulations may have made sense back then, but these days of vast and fast travel, and much more complicated industries, it would be a clusterfuck having states rule everything by themselves. Hardly a united country. And certain things its just not feasible to have each state make their own rules and regulations.

Plus its happened already and the federal gov't has been strong for so long now. Stop kicking and screaming and try to make it work for once. Get over the pipe dream and ideology, its the way it is now, regardless of what you think the framers wanted.

Great post comrade! There will be an extra half loaf of stale bread waiting for you at the commissary, but don't tell the others........they believe they are all getting the same amount.

Seriously......how do all the countries in the world get along with all their different rules and laws? What about all the different companies in the same high rise?

Ah yes, the response from the moron right on this forum to everything, call someone communist

We are one country, not 50 different countries that has no centralized rules and regulations. many on this forum bitch and moan and cry unconstitutional anything the federal gov't does anything.