Stand up and be counted ...

[Penelope]

Is any Jew here denying that Israel was to be set up as a secular country?

Begin was an atheist.

True and that is not what I asked, is it. Please answer the question.

Israel was never set to be a theocracy. Always a Secular country with a Secular society. And that is exactly what it is.

What is your problem with that?

Right. Thank you. Now tell me why they insist that Palestinians, in Gaza and the West Bank (what is left of them) are told they need to recognize Israel as a jewish state?

 

[June 7 2017]

Is any Jew here denying that Israel was to be set up as a secular country?

Begin was an atheist.

True and that is not what I asked, is it. Please answer the question.

Israel was never set to be a theocracy. Always a Secular country with a Secular society. And that is exactly what it is.

What is your problem with that?

Right. Thank you. Now tell me why they insist that Palestinians, in Gaza and the West Bank (what is left of them) are told they need to recognize Israel as a jewish state?

Because the Arabs explicitly state that they will drive the Jews into the Mediterranean.
And because the US is a Christian nation even though there is freedom of religion.

 

[Penelope]

Jews are certainly responsible for their own networking success.

This engenders envy and hate.

Adolf could not stop repeating himself about this in his book. Only he called it Jewish self dealing.

I hate to contradict an author you seem to admire greatly, but Hitler was full of shite. Jews are no more cohesive a group than any other ethnic minority. In many ways, less so.

The only Jews that Hitler ever knew ... those in Germany and Austria of the 1920's and '30s ... were a very diverse group whose only common bond they shared was that of a religion and ethnicity (and not always that). German Jews of that time were religious, agnostic, rich, and poor, parochial or assimilated. They worked in banking, education, industry, farming, and some were even beggars. Some German Jews had so fully integrated into German society that they were indistinguishable in any way from non-Jewish Germans.

Hitler (and in fact most Europeans) and some people today believe that a Jew is incapable of making any decision, successful or otherwise, without consultation of the Jewish Hive-mind. They believe that an invisible and unidentifiable "Jewish Blood" directs the thoughts and actions of all Jews. Because of this, the Germans went through a great deal of trouble to create the concept of fractional Judaism to decide who lives and who dies based on their perception of the amount of "Jewish Blood" they contain.

This resulted in religious Jews, atheist Jews, uneducated Jews, scholarly Jews, poor Jews, rich Jews, Jews who were immersed in Jewish culture and those who had no connection with the Jewish community of any kind to all be thrown into his meat-grinder to be eradicated from the Earth.

This belief and the thinking behind it led the Germans in 1942 to draw up lists of Jews in all the countries in Europe that they hoped to exterminate ... 11 million Jews, hundreds of of thousands of which had already been murdered.

You are wrong.

First, the Final Solution was not in the Nazi game plan all along, as you state. It was implemented only when it became clear Germany was going to lose the war, and there is some question whether Hitler even knew it had been launched.

Second, as in the United States, there were two distinct migrations of Jews to Germany. The first group was more assimilable, higher achieving, and looked down on the second wave--"eastern" Jews skedaddling after a failed revolution against the Tsar. I imagine something similar to what went on here also went on in Germany. Over time, the two groups blended, uniting against the common out-group Germans and making the first group less assimilable and the second group less well, Jewy.

That process can be seen in the United States in the narrative Jews love to tell about the horrors they've endured at the (closed) gates of WASP country clubs. As Jewish narratives (think Sorkin's attempt to portray Jews as persecuted at Harvard in The Social Network when, in reality. Jewish Harvard prez Larry Summers shafted the WASP Winklevoss twins in favor of his fellow Jew, Mark Zuckerberg) tend to go, the reality was something different. The first Jews to the New World were German Jews, very different from the later Jewish arrivals from eastern Europe. The first group looked down on the second group and it was into their clubs the newcomers weren't welcome. As time went on the two groups have united, raising the question "against what". Thus is born The Myth of the Golf Nazi .

In Germany, the union brought with it a vicious betrayal in WWI and the onerous Versailles Treaty, which, in turn, led to Nazism, WWII, and the Holocaust. The real question is: are Jews capable of the honest introspection necessary to prevent this whole act playing out again? If we were to judge by the Jews on this board, it is a deafening "no".

That was quite well written bullshit.
Guess why Jews own their own businesses?
No one would hire us.

My gosh, who was Alexander and Tiberius Alexander. Who was Philo. There were as many jews in Alexndria in the first century as in Judea, and many in Rome and all over. You never cared about Judea, only the zealots, the Palestinians are the Jews who stayed and some became EO and Muslims.

Continuing in dismembering your bulshitology:

1) You know nothing about Judaism, or what Jews believe in.
So you come here with the sad, pathetic excuse of "Numbers".
How many Jews were there in Judea, and not what they believed in,
how much the land continued to be important to them for the 1800 years up till then (1st, 2nd Centuries CE), and how many of them died (they were not ALL zealots, do you even know the meaning of it? - Are the you going to consider some Indigenous Nations of the Americas zealots and others not, simply because some fought their invaders, and others did not? )

Wether they lived in Judea, Judaism was already a 1800 year old cult/religion which survived many attempts to destroy it, and turn the population into whichever pagan cult invaded them.

Whether they lived in Judea, Samaria, the rest of Israel, the Jews took their Judaism and continued it anywhere else they were .
And always returned to the land, when they could.

From the Roman Empire on, they had no sovereignty over their land, but all other groups always mentioned that land as being the Land of Israel, or the Land of the Jews. Because that is exactly what it had been and continued to be, to this day.

There have always been Jews living on the Jewish Homeland.
No one ever denied that it was the Jewish Homeland until the 20th century when Muslims could not stand losing a small part of Muslim
conquered land to the indigenous people of the land.

2) The Palestinians are NOT the Jews who lived in the area.
Palestinians are Arabs, and they inhabited mostly the Arabian Peninsula until the 7th century CE with the advent of Islam, and followed the Islamic ideology of conquering all the land they could and making as many humans follow Islam as they could.

3) That some Jews were forced into Islam (as those who survived from the first tribe in Arabia, or any others who were also forced to convert, or any number who have chosen to convert to Islam) is true.

What is not true, is the number of Jews you are attempting to make others believe have been forced/volunteered to become Muslims, which according to you would outnumber the Jews who continued to live on the land, or those who kept returning to their ancient homeland, after any of the pogroms against them, or the Inquisition, or the realization many had in the 19th century, that Europe was never going to accept Jews as full humans, and give them full human rights, and chose to return to the Land of Israel, even before the Zionist organization of 1892 came to be.

Needless to say, even more pogroms were caused against the Jews by Christians and Muslims during the 20th century, which eventually culminated in the murder of 6 million of them in Europe by the Nazis, and many more still in the Land of Israel by the Jihadist Nazi sympathizers who could not deal with allowing Jews be sovereign over any part of the Jewish ancient homeland

Jews always prayed the same thing after they lost sovereignty over their land by the Romans, and even before ( it comes from the Jews who were taken to Babylon centuries before).

"Next Year In Jerusalem"

What is Jerusalem?

Their Capital.

For how long?

3000 years.


One is not allowed to believe in something simply because one wishes to believe in it. There is history. There is evidence of all I wrote above.

There is ZERO evidence of anything you have posted.

The capital of Israel is TEL AVIV. There was the northern kingdom, Judea, and the southern kingdom Israel, and in between Samaria. Due to the civil war in Israel/Judea Rome finally had to destroy Herods temple.

No 3000 years. Palestinians are who is left after the others when off to greener pastures. Jews who stayed, like it or not that is your history are the Palestinians. You also intermarried throughout the whole of the OT. Many and most stayed in Babylon instead of retuning when Cyrus said you could return.

 

[Penelope]

Is any Jew here denying that Israel was to be set up as a secular country?

Begin was an atheist.

True and that is not what I asked, is it. Please answer the question.

Israel was never set to be a theocracy. Always a Secular country with a Secular society. And that is exactly what it is.

What is your problem with that?

Right. Thank you. Now tell me why they insist that Palestinians, in Gaza and the West Bank (what is left of them) are told they need to recognize Israel as a jewish state?

Because the Arabs explicitly state that they will drive the Jews into the Mediterranean.
And because the US is a Christian nation even though there is freedom of religion.

No the US is not a Christian nation. You have that wrong, although its the largest religion in the US, but its not based on Christianity, some get that wrong. We sure as hell are not a Judeo-Christian nation either, all of a sudden in 1950 we got judeo in front of Christianity. No way.

Hey the way the jews encroached upon Palestine, and the way they are stealing land and fencing people in , I'd want the Jews in the Mediterranean Sea as well. What do you think , you kick people off their land and cage them in and they are going to love it.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Is any Jew here denying that Israel was to be set up as a secular country?

Begin was an atheist.

True and that is not what I asked, is it. Please answer the question.

Israel was never set to be a theocracy. Always a Secular country with a Secular society. And that is exactly what it is.

What is your problem with that?

Right. Thank you. Now tell me why they insist that Palestinians, in Gaza and the West Bank (what is left of them) are told they need to recognize Israel as a jewish state?

As you are someone who never notices anything:

The Palestinians are Arabs, who are Muslims who want the whole mandate for Palestine (Jewish Homeland) for themselves.

Recognizing Israel as the Jewish State, would put an end to the Muslims attempt to take over the 20 % left of the mandate for Palestine (Jewish Homeland).

The Arab Palestinians would finally have to put their arms down, sign a Peace treaty [ as Egypt and Jordan (77% of the Jewish Homeland taken over by an Arab clan in 1925) ]
and attempt to do what they have refused to do for the past 100 years.

Build a country out of their own efforts, their own success, without all the money which comes from Iran, Qatar, and many Christian countries, which is meant to be used as ways to destroy instead of live side by side with Israel.

Exactly what rights do all the Middle Eastern countries (Middle East being a new word for the region) have to call each country a Muslim country?

The Arab Palestinians acknowledge that Israel IS a Jewish State, and that will put an end to the conflict.

You do want to see an end to the conflict, do you not?

How is it going to be achieved if the Muslims continue to consider any and ALL of Israel as Muslim land?

 

[June 7 2017]

I hate to contradict an author you seem to admire greatly, but Hitler was full of shite. Jews are no more cohesive a group than any other ethnic minority. In many ways, less so.

The only Jews that Hitler ever knew ... those in Germany and Austria of the 1920's and '30s ... were a very diverse group whose only common bond they shared was that of a religion and ethnicity (and not always that). German Jews of that time were religious, agnostic, rich, and poor, parochial or assimilated. They worked in banking, education, industry, farming, and some were even beggars. Some German Jews had so fully integrated into German society that they were indistinguishable in any way from non-Jewish Germans.

Hitler (and in fact most Europeans) and some people today believe that a Jew is incapable of making any decision, successful or otherwise, without consultation of the Jewish Hive-mind. They believe that an invisible and unidentifiable "Jewish Blood" directs the thoughts and actions of all Jews. Because of this, the Germans went through a great deal of trouble to create the concept of fractional Judaism to decide who lives and who dies based on their perception of the amount of "Jewish Blood" they contain.

This resulted in religious Jews, atheist Jews, uneducated Jews, scholarly Jews, poor Jews, rich Jews, Jews who were immersed in Jewish culture and those who had no connection with the Jewish community of any kind to all be thrown into his meat-grinder to be eradicated from the Earth.

This belief and the thinking behind it led the Germans in 1942 to draw up lists of Jews in all the countries in Europe that they hoped to exterminate ... 11 million Jews, hundreds of of thousands of which had already been murdered.

You are wrong.

First, the Final Solution was not in the Nazi game plan all along, as you state. It was implemented only when it became clear Germany was going to lose the war, and there is some question whether Hitler even knew it had been launched.

Second, as in the United States, there were two distinct migrations of Jews to Germany. The first group was more assimilable, higher achieving, and looked down on the second wave--"eastern" Jews skedaddling after a failed revolution against the Tsar. I imagine something similar to what went on here also went on in Germany. Over time, the two groups blended, uniting against the common out-group Germans and making the first group less assimilable and the second group less well, Jewy.

That process can be seen in the United States in the narrative Jews love to tell about the horrors they've endured at the (closed) gates of WASP country clubs. As Jewish narratives (think Sorkin's attempt to portray Jews as persecuted at Harvard in The Social Network when, in reality. Jewish Harvard prez Larry Summers shafted the WASP Winklevoss twins in favor of his fellow Jew, Mark Zuckerberg) tend to go, the reality was something different. The first Jews to the New World were German Jews, very different from the later Jewish arrivals from eastern Europe. The first group looked down on the second group and it was into their clubs the newcomers weren't welcome. As time went on the two groups have united, raising the question "against what". Thus is born The Myth of the Golf Nazi .

In Germany, the union brought with it a vicious betrayal in WWI and the onerous Versailles Treaty, which, in turn, led to Nazism, WWII, and the Holocaust. The real question is: are Jews capable of the honest introspection necessary to prevent this whole act playing out again? If we were to judge by the Jews on this board, it is a deafening "no".

That was quite well written bullshit.
Guess why Jews own their own businesses?
No one would hire us.

My gosh, who was Alexander and Tiberius Alexander. Who was Philo. There were as many jews in Alexndria in the first century as in Judea, and many in Rome and all over. You never cared about Judea, only the zealots, the Palestinians are the Jews who stayed and some became EO and Muslims.

Continuing in dismembering your bulshitology:

1) You know nothing about Judaism, or what Jews believe in.
So you come here with the sad, pathetic excuse of "Numbers".
How many Jews were there in Judea, and not what they believed in,
how much the land continued to be important to them for the 1800 years up till then (1st, 2nd Centuries CE), and how many of them died (they were not ALL zealots, do you even know the meaning of it? - Are the you going to consider some Indigenous Nations of the Americas zealots and others not, simply because some fought their invaders, and others did not? )

Wether they lived in Judea, Judaism was already a 1800 year old cult/religion which survived many attempts to destroy it, and turn the population into whichever pagan cult invaded them.

Whether they lived in Judea, Samaria, the rest of Israel, the Jews took their Judaism and continued it anywhere else they were .
And always returned to the land, when they could.

From the Roman Empire on, they had no sovereignty over their land, but all other groups always mentioned that land as being the Land of Israel, or the Land of the Jews. Because that is exactly what it had been and continued to be, to this day.

There have always been Jews living on the Jewish Homeland.
No one ever denied that it was the Jewish Homeland until the 20th century when Muslims could not stand losing a small part of Muslim
conquered land to the indigenous people of the land.

2) The Palestinians are NOT the Jews who lived in the area.
Palestinians are Arabs, and they inhabited mostly the Arabian Peninsula until the 7th century CE with the advent of Islam, and followed the Islamic ideology of conquering all the land they could and making as many humans follow Islam as they could.

3) That some Jews were forced into Islam (as those who survived from the first tribe in Arabia, or any others who were also forced to convert, or any number who have chosen to convert to Islam) is true.

What is not true, is the number of Jews you are attempting to make others believe have been forced/volunteered to become Muslims, which according to you would outnumber the Jews who continued to live on the land, or those who kept returning to their ancient homeland, after any of the pogroms against them, or the Inquisition, or the realization many had in the 19th century, that Europe was never going to accept Jews as full humans, and give them full human rights, and chose to return to the Land of Israel, even before the Zionist organization of 1892 came to be.

Needless to say, even more pogroms were caused against the Jews by Christians and Muslims during the 20th century, which eventually culminated in the murder of 6 million of them in Europe by the Nazis, and many more still in the Land of Israel by the Jihadist Nazi sympathizers who could not deal with allowing Jews be sovereign over any part of the Jewish ancient homeland

Jews always prayed the same thing after they lost sovereignty over their land by the Romans, and even before ( it comes from the Jews who were taken to Babylon centuries before).

"Next Year In Jerusalem"

What is Jerusalem?

Their Capital.

For how long?

3000 years.


One is not allowed to believe in something simply because one wishes to believe in it. There is history. There is evidence of all I wrote above.

There is ZERO evidence of anything you have posted.

The capital of Israel is TEL AVIV. There was the northern kingdom, Judea, and the southern kingdom Israel, and in between Samaria. Due to the civil war in Israel/Judea Rome finally had to destroy Herods temple.

No 3000 years. Palestinians are who is left after the others when off to greener pastures. Jews who stayed, like it or not that is your history are the Palestinians. You also intermarried throughout the whole of the OT. Many and most stayed in Babylon instead of retuning when Cyrus said you could return.

You are demented but I can't answer properly on my phone.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I hate to contradict an author you seem to admire greatly, but Hitler was full of shite. Jews are no more cohesive a group than any other ethnic minority. In many ways, less so.

The only Jews that Hitler ever knew ... those in Germany and Austria of the 1920's and '30s ... were a very diverse group whose only common bond they shared was that of a religion and ethnicity (and not always that). German Jews of that time were religious, agnostic, rich, and poor, parochial or assimilated. They worked in banking, education, industry, farming, and some were even beggars. Some German Jews had so fully integrated into German society that they were indistinguishable in any way from non-Jewish Germans.

Hitler (and in fact most Europeans) and some people today believe that a Jew is incapable of making any decision, successful or otherwise, without consultation of the Jewish Hive-mind. They believe that an invisible and unidentifiable "Jewish Blood" directs the thoughts and actions of all Jews. Because of this, the Germans went through a great deal of trouble to create the concept of fractional Judaism to decide who lives and who dies based on their perception of the amount of "Jewish Blood" they contain.

This resulted in religious Jews, atheist Jews, uneducated Jews, scholarly Jews, poor Jews, rich Jews, Jews who were immersed in Jewish culture and those who had no connection with the Jewish community of any kind to all be thrown into his meat-grinder to be eradicated from the Earth.

This belief and the thinking behind it led the Germans in 1942 to draw up lists of Jews in all the countries in Europe that they hoped to exterminate ... 11 million Jews, hundreds of of thousands of which had already been murdered.

You are wrong.

First, the Final Solution was not in the Nazi game plan all along, as you state. It was implemented only when it became clear Germany was going to lose the war, and there is some question whether Hitler even knew it had been launched.

Second, as in the United States, there were two distinct migrations of Jews to Germany. The first group was more assimilable, higher achieving, and looked down on the second wave--"eastern" Jews skedaddling after a failed revolution against the Tsar. I imagine something similar to what went on here also went on in Germany. Over time, the two groups blended, uniting against the common out-group Germans and making the first group less assimilable and the second group less well, Jewy.

That process can be seen in the United States in the narrative Jews love to tell about the horrors they've endured at the (closed) gates of WASP country clubs. As Jewish narratives (think Sorkin's attempt to portray Jews as persecuted at Harvard in The Social Network when, in reality. Jewish Harvard prez Larry Summers shafted the WASP Winklevoss twins in favor of his fellow Jew, Mark Zuckerberg) tend to go, the reality was something different. The first Jews to the New World were German Jews, very different from the later Jewish arrivals from eastern Europe. The first group looked down on the second group and it was into their clubs the newcomers weren't welcome. As time went on the two groups have united, raising the question "against what". Thus is born The Myth of the Golf Nazi .

In Germany, the union brought with it a vicious betrayal in WWI and the onerous Versailles Treaty, which, in turn, led to Nazism, WWII, and the Holocaust. The real question is: are Jews capable of the honest introspection necessary to prevent this whole act playing out again? If we were to judge by the Jews on this board, it is a deafening "no".

That was quite well written bullshit.
Guess why Jews own their own businesses?
No one would hire us.

My gosh, who was Alexander and Tiberius Alexander. Who was Philo. There were as many jews in Alexndria in the first century as in Judea, and many in Rome and all over. You never cared about Judea, only the zealots, the Palestinians are the Jews who stayed and some became EO and Muslims.

Continuing in dismembering your bulshitology:

1) You know nothing about Judaism, or what Jews believe in.
So you come here with the sad, pathetic excuse of "Numbers".
How many Jews were there in Judea, and not what they believed in,
how much the land continued to be important to them for the 1800 years up till then (1st, 2nd Centuries CE), and how many of them died (they were not ALL zealots, do you even know the meaning of it? - Are the you going to consider some Indigenous Nations of the Americas zealots and others not, simply because some fought their invaders, and others did not? )

Wether they lived in Judea, Judaism was already a 1800 year old cult/religion which survived many attempts to destroy it, and turn the population into whichever pagan cult invaded them.

Whether they lived in Judea, Samaria, the rest of Israel, the Jews took their Judaism and continued it anywhere else they were .
And always returned to the land, when they could.

From the Roman Empire on, they had no sovereignty over their land, but all other groups always mentioned that land as being the Land of Israel, or the Land of the Jews. Because that is exactly what it had been and continued to be, to this day.

There have always been Jews living on the Jewish Homeland.
No one ever denied that it was the Jewish Homeland until the 20th century when Muslims could not stand losing a small part of Muslim
conquered land to the indigenous people of the land.

2) The Palestinians are NOT the Jews who lived in the area.
Palestinians are Arabs, and they inhabited mostly the Arabian Peninsula until the 7th century CE with the advent of Islam, and followed the Islamic ideology of conquering all the land they could and making as many humans follow Islam as they could.

3) That some Jews were forced into Islam (as those who survived from the first tribe in Arabia, or any others who were also forced to convert, or any number who have chosen to convert to Islam) is true.

What is not true, is the number of Jews you are attempting to make others believe have been forced/volunteered to become Muslims, which according to you would outnumber the Jews who continued to live on the land, or those who kept returning to their ancient homeland, after any of the pogroms against them, or the Inquisition, or the realization many had in the 19th century, that Europe was never going to accept Jews as full humans, and give them full human rights, and chose to return to the Land of Israel, even before the Zionist organization of 1892 came to be.

Needless to say, even more pogroms were caused against the Jews by Christians and Muslims during the 20th century, which eventually culminated in the murder of 6 million of them in Europe by the Nazis, and many more still in the Land of Israel by the Jihadist Nazi sympathizers who could not deal with allowing Jews be sovereign over any part of the Jewish ancient homeland

Jews always prayed the same thing after they lost sovereignty over their land by the Romans, and even before ( it comes from the Jews who were taken to Babylon centuries before).

"Next Year In Jerusalem"

What is Jerusalem?

Their Capital.

For how long?

3000 years.


One is not allowed to believe in something simply because one wishes to believe in it. There is history. There is evidence of all I wrote above.

There is ZERO evidence of anything you have posted.

The capital of Israel is TEL AVIV. There was the northern kingdom, Judea, and the southern kingdom Israel, and in between Samaria. Due to the civil war in Israel/Judea Rome finally had to destroy Herods temple.

No 3000 years. Palestinians are who is left after the others when off to greener pastures. Jews who stayed, like it or not that is your history are the Palestinians. You also intermarried throughout the whole of the OT. Many and most stayed in Babylon instead of retuning when Cyrus said you could return.

More learned bulshitology from a very ignorant (and proud of it) person.

Jerusalem was and continues to be THE CAPITAL of Israel, 3000 years ago during the Kingdoms, or now with modern Israel.

There was a civil war in Judea during the Roman conquest?
Not a revolt against the Romans, which is when the Romans destroyed the Second Temple in 70 CE?

You will not find your Fairy Tale told anywhere in history books.
Not by the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims, the Crusaders, the British.

Yes, many Jews stayed in Babylon as the Jewish Messiah had not arrived to free the land for them to return. (more you know nothing about)

So what if Jews did intermarry at any time for the past 3000 years.
It is not a race but an ethnic group. So have all the other groups in the world, but their ancient homelands are not stolen from them, and the invaders do not pass themselves for the indigenous people of that land as the Arabs are doing with the land of the Jews.

And today's wonderful DNA shows that Jews do come exactly from where they say they have. From ancient Canaan, which became known as Israel, the homeland of the Jewish People/Nation.


Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel. Always has been.
The Jews who have always lived on the land, and others who continued the religion anywhere in the world, are the rightful Jews.
They were never called Palestinians by the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims, the Crusaders, or the British.

ONLY during the Mandate for Palestine, did all who lived in the Mandate were called Palestinians, be it Jews, Arabs, Bedouins, etc.

Palestine Post became Jerusalem Post.

So on and so forth.

I do not like the lies you believe in and tell. That is why I am here, and will continue to correct all the misinformation you have learned about Jews and Israel in your lifetime.

 

[June 7 2017]

I hate to contradict an author you seem to admire greatly, but Hitler was full of shite. Jews are no more cohesive a group than any other ethnic minority. In many ways, less so.

The only Jews that Hitler ever knew ... those in Germany and Austria of the 1920's and '30s ... were a very diverse group whose only common bond they shared was that of a religion and ethnicity (and not always that). German Jews of that time were religious, agnostic, rich, and poor, parochial or assimilated. They worked in banking, education, industry, farming, and some were even beggars. Some German Jews had so fully integrated into German society that they were indistinguishable in any way from non-Jewish Germans.

Hitler (and in fact most Europeans) and some people today believe that a Jew is incapable of making any decision, successful or otherwise, without consultation of the Jewish Hive-mind. They believe that an invisible and unidentifiable "Jewish Blood" directs the thoughts and actions of all Jews. Because of this, the Germans went through a great deal of trouble to create the concept of fractional Judaism to decide who lives and who dies based on their perception of the amount of "Jewish Blood" they contain.

This resulted in religious Jews, atheist Jews, uneducated Jews, scholarly Jews, poor Jews, rich Jews, Jews who were immersed in Jewish culture and those who had no connection with the Jewish community of any kind to all be thrown into his meat-grinder to be eradicated from the Earth.

This belief and the thinking behind it led the Germans in 1942 to draw up lists of Jews in all the countries in Europe that they hoped to exterminate ... 11 million Jews, hundreds of of thousands of which had already been murdered.

You are wrong.

First, the Final Solution was not in the Nazi game plan all along, as you state. It was implemented only when it became clear Germany was going to lose the war, and there is some question whether Hitler even knew it had been launched.

Second, as in the United States, there were two distinct migrations of Jews to Germany. The first group was more assimilable, higher achieving, and looked down on the second wave--"eastern" Jews skedaddling after a failed revolution against the Tsar. I imagine something similar to what went on here also went on in Germany. Over time, the two groups blended, uniting against the common out-group Germans and making the first group less assimilable and the second group less well, Jewy.

That process can be seen in the United States in the narrative Jews love to tell about the horrors they've endured at the (closed) gates of WASP country clubs. As Jewish narratives (think Sorkin's attempt to portray Jews as persecuted at Harvard in The Social Network when, in reality. Jewish Harvard prez Larry Summers shafted the WASP Winklevoss twins in favor of his fellow Jew, Mark Zuckerberg) tend to go, the reality was something different. The first Jews to the New World were German Jews, very different from the later Jewish arrivals from eastern Europe. The first group looked down on the second group and it was into their clubs the newcomers weren't welcome. As time went on the two groups have united, raising the question "against what". Thus is born The Myth of the Golf Nazi .

In Germany, the union brought with it a vicious betrayal in WWI and the onerous Versailles Treaty, which, in turn, led to Nazism, WWII, and the Holocaust. The real question is: are Jews capable of the honest introspection necessary to prevent this whole act playing out again? If we were to judge by the Jews on this board, it is a deafening "no".

That was quite well written bullshit.
Guess why Jews own their own businesses?
No one would hire us.

My gosh, who was Alexander and Tiberius Alexander. Who was Philo. There were as many jews in Alexndria in the first century as in Judea, and many in Rome and all over. You never cared about Judea, only the zealots, the Palestinians are the Jews who stayed and some became EO and Muslims.

Continuing in dismembering your bulshitology:

1) You know nothing about Judaism, or what Jews believe in.
So you come here with the sad, pathetic excuse of "Numbers".
How many Jews were there in Judea, and not what they believed in,
how much the land continued to be important to them for the 1800 years up till then (1st, 2nd Centuries CE), and how many of them died (they were not ALL zealots, do you even know the meaning of it? - Are the you going to consider some Indigenous Nations of the Americas zealots and others not, simply because some fought their invaders, and others did not? )

Wether they lived in Judea, Judaism was already a 1800 year old cult/religion which survived many attempts to destroy it, and turn the population into whichever pagan cult invaded them.

Whether they lived in Judea, Samaria, the rest of Israel, the Jews took their Judaism and continued it anywhere else they were .
And always returned to the land, when they could.

From the Roman Empire on, they had no sovereignty over their land, but all other groups always mentioned that land as being the Land of Israel, or the Land of the Jews. Because that is exactly what it had been and continued to be, to this day.

There have always been Jews living on the Jewish Homeland.
No one ever denied that it was the Jewish Homeland until the 20th century when Muslims could not stand losing a small part of Muslim
conquered land to the indigenous people of the land.

2) The Palestinians are NOT the Jews who lived in the area.
Palestinians are Arabs, and they inhabited mostly the Arabian Peninsula until the 7th century CE with the advent of Islam, and followed the Islamic ideology of conquering all the land they could and making as many humans follow Islam as they could.

3) That some Jews were forced into Islam (as those who survived from the first tribe in Arabia, or any others who were also forced to convert, or any number who have chosen to convert to Islam) is true.

What is not true, is the number of Jews you are attempting to make others believe have been forced/volunteered to become Muslims, which according to you would outnumber the Jews who continued to live on the land, or those who kept returning to their ancient homeland, after any of the pogroms against them, or the Inquisition, or the realization many had in the 19th century, that Europe was never going to accept Jews as full humans, and give them full human rights, and chose to return to the Land of Israel, even before the Zionist organization of 1892 came to be.

Needless to say, even more pogroms were caused against the Jews by Christians and Muslims during the 20th century, which eventually culminated in the murder of 6 million of them in Europe by the Nazis, and many more still in the Land of Israel by the Jihadist Nazi sympathizers who could not deal with allowing Jews be sovereign over any part of the Jewish ancient homeland

Jews always prayed the same thing after they lost sovereignty over their land by the Romans, and even before ( it comes from the Jews who were taken to Babylon centuries before).

"Next Year In Jerusalem"

What is Jerusalem?

Their Capital.

For how long?

3000 years.


One is not allowed to believe in something simply because one wishes to believe in it. There is history. There is evidence of all I wrote above.

There is ZERO evidence of anything you have posted.

The capital of Israel is TEL AVIV. There was the northern kingdom, Judea, and the southern kingdom Israel, and in between Samaria. Due to the civil war in Israel/Judea Rome finally had to destroy Herods temple.

No 3000 years. Palestinians are who is left after the others when off to greener pastures. Jews who stayed, like it or not that is your history are the Palestinians. You also intermarried throughout the whole of the OT. Many and most stayed in Babylon instead of retuning when Cyrus said you could return.

You are demented but I can't answer properly on my phone.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Begin was an atheist.

True and that is not what I asked, is it. Please answer the question.

Israel was never set to be a theocracy. Always a Secular country with a Secular society. And that is exactly what it is.

What is your problem with that?

Right. Thank you. Now tell me why they insist that Palestinians, in Gaza and the West Bank (what is left of them) are told they need to recognize Israel as a jewish state?

Because the Arabs explicitly state that they will drive the Jews into the Mediterranean.
And because the US is a Christian nation even though there is freedom of religion.

No the US is not a Christian nation. You have that wrong, although its the largest religion in the US, but its not based on Christianity, some get that wrong. We sure as hell are not a Judeo-Christian nation either, all of a sudden in 1950 we got judeo in front of Christianity. No way.

Hey the way the jews encroached upon Palestine, and the way they are stealing land and fencing people in , I'd want the Jews in the Mediterranean Sea as well. What do you think , you kick people off their land and cage them in and they are going to love it.

More delusional bulshirology from one who wants to continue to be misinformed.

The USA is not "officially" a Christian Nation, but indeed most residents are Christians, and that is why mostly Christian Holidays, etc are observed. It does not need to call itself a Christian nation.
There is freedom of religion, and that is what the founders wanted.

You are right about it not being a Judeo- Christian country. Christianity does NOT follow Judaism. It simply uses it for its own interests.
Christianity's intention was always to replace Judaism.

How can Jews "encroach" on their own ancient homeland?

There is such a thing as the Oslo Accord of 1993.
( I know that you do not care that the Hashemite Arabs took the Jewish homeland known as TranJordan and turned it into Jordan, and then invaded the new country of Israel in 1948 with the other Arab countries and TOOK away what is known to be the easence of Jewish History, Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem.
I know you will never find those actions against the Jews unfair and
the the total expulsion of Jews from their lands in TranJordan, Gaza, Judea, Samaria, and part of Jerusalem as a crime.)

The people of Gaza are not "caged" in. Stop with the total ignorance you keep providing us.

Israel totally left Gaza in 2005. How is that caging people?
They had a civil war and Hamas won. Rockets were shot at Israel since then. There is a legal embargo, recognized by International Law (you understand how it works, or not) exactly because of the rockets Hamas keeps firing at Israel with the intention of killing anyone they hit and eventually destroying Israel.

You are absolutely correct.

The Jews were kicked out of Gaza in 1920 and they did not like it.
The Jews were kicked out of TransJordan and they did not like it.
The Jews were kicked out of Hebron in 1929 and they did not like it.
The Jews were kicked out Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem and they did not like it.

What they did not do, but the Muslims (call them what you will) insist on doing, is invading and attacking again and again, murdering as many Arabs/Muslims as they find in their way, and call someone else's ancient homeland as their own.
And you will find that about 20% of the population in Israel is non Jewish. What is the Jewish population in the Arab countries now?

Jews never did it for the 3800 years of their history, and they are more than surely not doing it now.

From an anti Israel Jewish newspaper ( and you will find this in many other sources)

Gaza is an "open space prison" created by Hamas. Here are some witnesses

Fleeing Hamas' harsh rule in Gaza, thousands of Palestinians seek refuge in Athens

Osama fled Gaza via the tunnels that connect Gaza and Egypt. “Yes, there are tunnels that haven’t been destroyed and they’re used by civilians who want to leave. Some people go through the Rafah crossing, but that’s a very expensive story. I have friends who had to pay $2,500 or $3,000 to the Egyptian commanders at the Rafah crossing to let them out,” he says.

“This is a very lucrative industry both for the Egyptians and Hamas. To leave via Rafah you have to register with Hamas and pay to move up on the waiting list. Before I left more than 25,000 Gaza residents were signed up to leave. This is because there aren’t any regular days and hours for opening the crossing, and each time it does open, only a few hundred people can go through.”
read more: Fleeing Hamas' harsh rule in Gaza, thousands of Palestinians seek refuge in Athens
While Ayman is speaking, Naji, the third of the three Gazans, rolls up a pant leg and points to a deep scar he says came from torture by Hamas in a Gaza prison.

“One day I even tried to commit suicide. I slammed my head hard against a windowpane and put my neck up against the broken glass. But they pulled me back and I wasn’t successful,” he says, pointing to an ugly scar on his neck. “I’m telling you, Gaza is on the brink of civil war and no one knows what’s happening there. No one is interested.”

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The above is a "prison" caused by Israel?
Or is it the ten years of Hamas takeover where they have done nothing but steal money from the EU, the Arab countries, are aided by Iran and Qatar, and only a few are millionaires (if on the side of Hamas) while the rest of the population are kept in poverty to be used as a tool against Israel.

And let us not forget UNWRA which insists in existing rather then do the job any refugee organization has done up to now?

And let us not forget that UNWRA mostly employs Hamas members, and teaches an anti Israel curriculum, created by EU, UN, and other fool's money.

Digest all of the above when you can.

Find evidence to the contrary before you choose to respond.

 

[Penelope]

Most left willingly even before the destruction of herds temple in 70 AD. Greener pastures, and the elites didn't want to go back to Palestine until workers went there and dug wells and paved roads.

Why not just let the Palestinians of Gaza walk out via Israel , obviously they do not want to be under sharia law (if Haaretz story is true and I'm not paying for s subscription) and would be oh so grateful for Israel to let them out, why make them pay Hamas, if Hamas has less money that is good is it not?

 

[cnelsen]

1) Jews have never denied all the other groups and the number of people who have died in WWII. On the other hand, Jew haters have done anything and everything to deny the number of Jews who were murdered by any means the Nazis and the Arab Jihadists could find AND on top of it, put the blame of the Holocaust on them.

Let's not pretend Jews are these unflinching champions of historical truth-telling. Even now, if one brings up on this board the Jewish depredations under Bolshevism, the shrieks of Nazi! Fascist! come fast and furious, but never an acknowledgement of the Jewish genocide of white Christian Russians from our resident Holocaust deniers. Jewish Hollywood has been spewing a distorted and poisonous view of our national past for decades, yet I don't recall a single movie ever about Genrikh Yagoda, the Jewish head of the NKVD who alone was responsible for the deaths of ten million Christians.

 

[June 7 2017]

1) Jews have never denied all the other groups and the number of people who have died in WWII. On the other hand, Jew haters have done anything and everything to deny the number of Jews who were murdered by any means the Nazis and the Arab Jihadists could find AND on top of it, put the blame of the Holocaust on them.

Let's not pretend Jews are these unflinching champions of historical truth-telling. Even now, if one brings up on this board the Jewish depredations under Bolshevism, the shrieks of Nazi! Fascist! come fast and furious, but never an acknowledgement of the Jewish genocide of white Christian Russians from our resident Holocaust deniers. Jewish Hollywood has been spewing a distorted and poisonous view of our national past for decades, yet I don't recall a single movie ever about Genrikh Yagoda, the Jewish head of the NKVD who alone was responsible for the deaths of ten million Christians.

I agree with you on this post, but 60s hit the nail on the head.
Some heads are just too thick to want to know.

 

[Roudy]

Jews are certainly responsible for their own networking success.

This engenders envy and hate.

Adolf could not stop repeating himself about this in his book. Only he called it Jewish self dealing.

I hate to contradict an author you seem to admire greatly, but Hitler was full of shite. Jews are no more cohesive a group than any other ethnic minority. In many ways, less so.

The only Jews that Hitler ever knew ... those in Germany and Austria of the 1920's and '30s ... were a very diverse group whose only common bond they shared was that of a religion and ethnicity (and not always that). German Jews of that time were religious, agnostic, rich, and poor, parochial or assimilated. They worked in banking, education, industry, farming, and some were even beggars. Some German Jews had so fully integrated into German society that they were indistinguishable in any way from non-Jewish Germans.

Hitler (and in fact most Europeans) and some people today believe that a Jew is incapable of making any decision, successful or otherwise, without consultation of the Jewish Hive-mind. They believe that an invisible and unidentifiable "Jewish Blood" directs the thoughts and actions of all Jews. Because of this, the Germans went through a great deal of trouble to create the concept of fractional Judaism to decide who lives and who dies based on their perception of the amount of "Jewish Blood" they contain.

This resulted in religious Jews, atheist Jews, uneducated Jews, scholarly Jews, poor Jews, rich Jews, Jews who were immersed in Jewish culture and those who had no connection with the Jewish community of any kind to all be thrown into his meat-grinder to be eradicated from the Earth.

This belief and the thinking behind it led the Germans in 1942 to draw up lists of Jews in all the countries in Europe that they hoped to exterminate ... 11 million Jews, hundreds of of thousands of which had already been murdered.

You are wrong.

First, the Final Solution was not in the Nazi game plan all along, as you state. It was implemented only when it became clear Germany was going to lose the war, and there is some question whether Hitler even knew it had been launched.

Second, as in the United States, there were two distinct migrations of Jews to Germany. The first group was more assimilable, higher achieving, and looked down on the second wave--"eastern" Jews skedaddling after a failed revolution against the Tsar. I imagine something similar to what went on here also went on in Germany. Over time, the two groups blended, uniting against the common out-group Germans and making the first group less assimilable and the second group less well, Jewy.

That process can be seen in the United States in the narrative Jews love to tell about the horrors they've endured at the (closed) gates of WASP country clubs. As Jewish narratives (think Sorkin's attempt to portray Jews as persecuted at Harvard in The Social Network when, in reality. Jewish Harvard prez Larry Summers shafted the WASP Winklevoss twins in favor of his fellow Jew, Mark Zuckerberg) tend to go, the reality was something different. The first Jews to the New World were German Jews, very different from the later Jewish arrivals from eastern Europe. The first group looked down on the second group and it was into their clubs the newcomers weren't welcome. As time went on the two groups have united, raising the question "against what". Thus is born The Myth of the Golf Nazi .

In Germany, the union brought with it a vicious betrayal in WWI and the onerous Versailles Treaty, which, in turn, led to Nazism, WWII, and the Holocaust. The real question is: are Jews capable of the honest introspection necessary to prevent this whole act playing out again? If we were to judge by the Jews on this board, it is a deafening "no".

That was quite well written bullshit.
Guess why Jews own their own businesses?
No one would hire us.

My gosh, who was Alexander and Tiberius Alexander. Who was Philo. There were as many jews in Alexndria in the first century as in Judea, and many in Rome and all over. You never cared about Judea, only the zealots, the Palestinians are the Jews who stayed and some became EO and Muslims.

So where did Alexander's ancestors come from, dufus, and besides, you IslamoNazis really need to get your talking points in line with each other. According to cnelson and Achmed Monte, there is no such thing as the "Jewish people", and here you are, showing us evidence of Jewish people in ancient Greece. Ya gotta love it!

 

[montelatici]

There are people of many ethnicities (people) that practice Judaism. Just as there are people of many ethnicities that practice Catholicism. There are Chinese people that practice Catholicism and there are Chinese people that practice Judaism.

Claiming that this guy's ancestors were from Palestine takes a high level of cognizant dissonance.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

1) Jews have never denied all the other groups and the number of people who have died in WWII. On the other hand, Jew haters have done anything and everything to deny the number of Jews who were murdered by any means the Nazis and the Arab Jihadists could find AND on top of it, put the blame of the Holocaust on them.

Let's not pretend Jews are these unflinching champions of historical truth-telling. Even now, if one brings up on this board the Jewish depredations under Bolshevism, the shrieks of Nazi! Fascist! come fast and furious, but never an acknowledgement of the Jewish genocide of white Christian Russians from our resident Holocaust deniers. Jewish Hollywood has been spewing a distorted and poisonous view of our national past for decades, yet I don't recall a single movie ever about Genrikh Yagoda, the Jewish head of the NKVD who alone was responsible for the deaths of ten million Christians.

If you are so concerned about the genocide of Christians, you should be organizing protests and raising hell right now to stop the killing of Christians in the Middle East. About a million Christians have been slaughtered by Muslims in just the past few years. This is going on right now, not in the year 1917.

 

[Roudy]

1) Jews have never denied all the other groups and the number of people who have died in WWII. On the other hand, Jew haters have done anything and everything to deny the number of Jews who were murdered by any means the Nazis and the Arab Jihadists could find AND on top of it, put the blame of the Holocaust on them.

Let's not pretend Jews are these unflinching champions of historical truth-telling. Even now, if one brings up on this board the Jewish depredations under Bolshevism, the shrieks of Nazi! Fascist! come fast and furious, but never an acknowledgement of the Jewish genocide of white Christian Russians from our resident Holocaust deniers. Jewish Hollywood has been spewing a distorted and poisonous view of our national past for decades, yet I don't recall a single movie ever about Genrikh Yagoda, the Jewish head of the NKVD who alone was responsible for the deaths of ten million Christians.

I didn't know that one remains to be considered a "Jew" or Christian, once they become atheist communists, asswipe. Which parallel Nazi universe to you live in?

 

[Roudy]

There are people of many ethnicities (people) that practice Judaism. Just as there are people of many ethnicities that practice Catholicism. There are Chinese people that practice Catholicism and there are Chinese people that practice Judaism.

Claiming that this guy's ancestors were from Palestine takes a high level of cognizant dissonance.

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Claiming that Israel isn't the ancestral, religious, and cultural homeland of the Jews takes a high level of cognizant dissonance.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Most left willingly even before the destruction of herds temple in 70 AD. Greener pastures, and the elites didn't want to go back to Palestine until workers went there and dug wells and paved roads.

Why not just let the Palestinians of Gaza walk out via Israel , obviously they do not want to be under sharia law (if Haaretz story is true and I'm not paying for s subscription) and would be oh so grateful for Israel to let them out, why make them pay Hamas, if Hamas has less money that is good is it not?

How dense can you be? Very.

Why doesn't Muslim Egypt let Muslim Gazans get out of Gaza via their crossing and let them catch a ship or plane out of Gaza?
And for free?

Israel is under no obligation to allow foreiners who may want to come into Israel to blow up the people of Israel and everything in it.

ALTHOUGH, Israel does allow Muslims both from Gaza and the "West Bank" to come to the Temple Mount during the month of Ramadan.
Something the Muslims do not return when it comes to allowing Jews visit their holy sites in Judea, Samaria, Jordan, etc.
Jews always have to do it at night and with the help of the IDF.

Look !!
The Muslims do not have to do it in the dead of night, and do not need any security. I wonder why that is ....

Last Year:
Israel opens door from Gaza to Jerusalem for Ramadan prayers | The National

This year:
Palestinians pour into Jerusalem for Ramadan prayers | Daily Mail Online

Tens of thousands of Palestinians poured into Jerusalem to attend the first Friday prayers of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan at the Al-Aqsa mosque compound, Islam's third-holiest site, under heavy Israeli security.
------------------------------------

It is always important to point out that Jerusalem was never important on Ramadan or any other Muslim holiday until after the 1970s.

Could you tell you tell why?

 

[Roudy]

I hate to contradict an author you seem to admire greatly, but Hitler was full of shite. Jews are no more cohesive a group than any other ethnic minority. In many ways, less so.

The only Jews that Hitler ever knew ... those in Germany and Austria of the 1920's and '30s ... were a very diverse group whose only common bond they shared was that of a religion and ethnicity (and not always that). German Jews of that time were religious, agnostic, rich, and poor, parochial or assimilated. They worked in banking, education, industry, farming, and some were even beggars. Some German Jews had so fully integrated into German society that they were indistinguishable in any way from non-Jewish Germans.

Hitler (and in fact most Europeans) and some people today believe that a Jew is incapable of making any decision, successful or otherwise, without consultation of the Jewish Hive-mind. They believe that an invisible and unidentifiable "Jewish Blood" directs the thoughts and actions of all Jews. Because of this, the Germans went through a great deal of trouble to create the concept of fractional Judaism to decide who lives and who dies based on their perception of the amount of "Jewish Blood" they contain.

This resulted in religious Jews, atheist Jews, uneducated Jews, scholarly Jews, poor Jews, rich Jews, Jews who were immersed in Jewish culture and those who had no connection with the Jewish community of any kind to all be thrown into his meat-grinder to be eradicated from the Earth.

This belief and the thinking behind it led the Germans in 1942 to draw up lists of Jews in all the countries in Europe that they hoped to exterminate ... 11 million Jews, hundreds of of thousands of which had already been murdered.

Crazy talk. You were taking over Germany as well as Poland, and the orthodox Jews were disliked by the secular ones. You had already took over Russia and Warsaw and the British government, the Jews had a global push for global communism, everyone thinks Jews were helpless during WWII but the Jews had many partisan groups.
More Poles died that Jews, and WWII was a world war, I get sick of hearing about your Jewish holocaust, like you are the only ones who had casualties during the war, but then again, most wars seem to be caused by Jews, isn't that strange. Israel was to be set up as a secular colony of Britain to guard the Suez canal, and look what you did. The secular Jews did all they could to take religion out of the religious kids, but they knew they needed a language so resurrected Hebrew. Also many protestants were for a land of Israel, as they looked forward to Jesus in the clouds.

Well, since you are constantly on Jewish sites, it's no wonder that you hear about the Holocaust alot. Stop visiting the sites then. We didn't "take over" Germany and Poland--that was Hitler's excuse to try and annihilate us. How many from your family were killed in the Holocaust? Many in my family were killed, and so it is with most Ashkenaz Jews. And there are alot of wars that have nothing to do with Jews; they are just not of interest to ppl when Jews aren't involved, like the war in the Congo, for instance. You will suffocate with all your Jew-hatred one day, and your end will not be a good one, just like Hitler's end was not a good one.

Oh using James Comey word, Lordy that is all Israel talks about and many died in WWII, I get tired of listening to your crying. I have no idea about my linage pass my Mothers parents who I never knew, so get over it. Of course Jews think their linage goes back to Israel. I bet you can even tell what tribe you are from. Over 65 million died in WWII and we are to obsess over at most 3 million jews who died from starvation , murder, disease and maybe some gassed in a truck.

Let us take your bulshitology one at a time:

1) Jews have never denied all the other groups and the number of people who have died in WWII. On the other hand, Jew haters have done anything and everything to deny the number of Jews who were murdered by any means the Nazis and the Arab Jihadists could find AND on top of it, put the blame of the Holocaust on them.

2) Your lack of interest in your ancestry is your choice.
Jews can tell their ancestry all the way back to the Exodus of Egypt, and before, by various forms, none of which you are aware of, or could care less about. None of your business either way.

3) Yes, many groups of Jews can tell which tribe they came from.
You being uninterested and ignorant about it, will not change that.

4) It was 6 Million Jews who were killed by the Nazis in WWII.
All you have to do, when you find the time, is read the Nazi archives they left behind for their 1000 year Third Reich records. It is all in there.

LOL @ bulshitology. Penelope could teach a course in that subject. I'm from the Levite tribe, by the way.

Penelope is a student in IslamoNazi bullshitology compared to some of the other characters here, that are like PHD's. LOL

 

[Penelope]

Jews are certainly responsible for their own networking success.

This engenders envy and hate.

Adolf could not stop repeating himself about this in his book. Only he called it Jewish self dealing.

I hate to contradict an author you seem to admire greatly, but Hitler was full of shite. Jews are no more cohesive a group than any other ethnic minority. In many ways, less so.

The only Jews that Hitler ever knew ... those in Germany and Austria of the 1920's and '30s ... were a very diverse group whose only common bond they shared was that of a religion and ethnicity (and not always that). German Jews of that time were religious, agnostic, rich, and poor, parochial or assimilated. They worked in banking, education, industry, farming, and some were even beggars. Some German Jews had so fully integrated into German society that they were indistinguishable in any way from non-Jewish Germans.

Hitler (and in fact most Europeans) and some people today believe that a Jew is incapable of making any decision, successful or otherwise, without consultation of the Jewish Hive-mind. They believe that an invisible and unidentifiable "Jewish Blood" directs the thoughts and actions of all Jews. Because of this, the Germans went through a great deal of trouble to create the concept of fractional Judaism to decide who lives and who dies based on their perception of the amount of "Jewish Blood" they contain.

This resulted in religious Jews, atheist Jews, uneducated Jews, scholarly Jews, poor Jews, rich Jews, Jews who were immersed in Jewish culture and those who had no connection with the Jewish community of any kind to all be thrown into his meat-grinder to be eradicated from the Earth.

This belief and the thinking behind it led the Germans in 1942 to draw up lists of Jews in all the countries in Europe that they hoped to exterminate ... 11 million Jews, hundreds of of thousands of which had already been murdered.

You are wrong.

First, the Final Solution was not in the Nazi game plan all along, as you state. It was implemented only when it became clear Germany was going to lose the war, and there is some question whether Hitler even knew it had been launched.

Second, as in the United States, there were two distinct migrations of Jews to Germany. The first group was more assimilable, higher achieving, and looked down on the second wave--"eastern" Jews skedaddling after a failed revolution against the Tsar. I imagine something similar to what went on here also went on in Germany. Over time, the two groups blended, uniting against the common out-group Germans and making the first group less assimilable and the second group less well, Jewy.

That process can be seen in the United States in the narrative Jews love to tell about the horrors they've endured at the (closed) gates of WASP country clubs. As Jewish narratives (think Sorkin's attempt to portray Jews as persecuted at Harvard in The Social Network when, in reality. Jewish Harvard prez Larry Summers shafted the WASP Winklevoss twins in favor of his fellow Jew, Mark Zuckerberg) tend to go, the reality was something different. The first Jews to the New World were German Jews, very different from the later Jewish arrivals from eastern Europe. The first group looked down on the second group and it was into their clubs the newcomers weren't welcome. As time went on the two groups have united, raising the question "against what". Thus is born The Myth of the Golf Nazi .

In Germany, the union brought with it a vicious betrayal in WWI and the onerous Versailles Treaty, which, in turn, led to Nazism, WWII, and the Holocaust. The real question is: are Jews capable of the honest introspection necessary to prevent this whole act playing out again? If we were to judge by the Jews on this board, it is a deafening "no".

That was quite well written bullshit.
Guess why Jews own their own businesses?
No one would hire us.

My gosh, who was Alexander and Tiberius Alexander. Who was Philo. There were as many jews in Alexndria in the first century as in Judea, and many in Rome and all over. You never cared about Judea, only the zealots, the Palestinians are the Jews who stayed and some became EO and Muslims.

So where did Alexander's ancestors come from, dufus, and besides, you IslamoNazis really need to get your talking points in line with each other. According to cnelson and Achmed Monte, there is no such thing as the "Jewish people", and here you have showing us evidence of Jewish people in ancient Greece. Ya gotta love it!

I would imagine Egypt.