Stand up and be counted ...
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I know this is the standard Jewish response if you mention what the Jewish Bolsheviks did to the Christian Russians, that somehow the Russians had it coming because the Tsar, blah blah blah. They never offer any specifics or evidence. Yet, when you ask whether Jews played any role at all in becoming victims of the German Nazis' (much smaller) crimes, Jews act enraged that such an idea could even exist.
It's like a kind of sickness. I think this guy provides a clue where it comes from.
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Here we go idiot. Does a 2000 year old archeological remain count?
The Arch of Titus, Rome
The Arch of Titus is a Roman Triumphal Arch which was erected by Domitian in c. 81 CE at the foot of the Palatine hill on the Via Sacra in the Forum Romanum, Rome. It commemorates the victories of his father Vespasian and brother Titus in the Jewish Warin Judaea (70-71 CE) when the great city of Jerusalem was sacked and the vast riches of its temple plundered. The arch is also a political and religious statement expressing the divinity of the late emperor Titus.
The Arch provides one of the few contemporary depictions of Temple period artifacts.
The seven-branched menorah and trumpets are clearly depicted. It became a symbol of the Jewish diaspora. In a later era, Pope Paul IV made it the place of a yearly oath of submission. Until the modern State of Israel was founded in 1948, Jews refused to walk under it due to a rabbinical prohibition.
The menorah depicted on the Arch served as the model for the menorah used on the emblem of the state of Israel.
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Fred is a jerk
Penelope
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Here we go idiot. Does a 2000 year old archeological remain count?
The Arch of Titus, Rome
The Arch of Titus is a Roman Triumphal Arch which was erected by Domitian in c. 81 CE at the foot of the Palatine hill on the Via Sacra in the Forum Romanum, Rome. It commemorates the victories of his father Vespasian and brother Titus in the Jewish Warin Judaea (70-71 CE) when the great city of Jerusalem was sacked and the vast riches of its temple plundered. The arch is also a political and religious statement expressing the divinity of the late emperor Titus.
The Arch provides one of the few contemporary depictions of Temple period artifacts.
The seven-branched menorah and trumpets are clearly depicted. It became a symbol of the Jewish diaspora. In a later era, Pope Paul IV made it the place of a yearly oath of submission. Until the modern State of Israel was founded in 1948, Jews refused to walk under it due to a rabbinical prohibition.
The menorah depicted on the Arch served as the model for the menorah used on the emblem of the state of Israel.
That put an end to the civil war in Judea/Israel. That temple was built with Romes money, the one before was built with Persian money, and that belongs to Rome, remember the spoils of war. Its all in your OT what to do with the spoils of war.
Sixties Fan
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Here we go idiot. Does a 2000 year old archeological remain count?
The Arch of Titus, Rome
The Arch of Titus is a Roman Triumphal Arch which was erected by Domitian in c. 81 CE at the foot of the Palatine hill on the Via Sacra in the Forum Romanum, Rome. It commemorates the victories of his father Vespasian and brother Titus in the Jewish Warin Judaea (70-71 CE) when the great city of Jerusalem was sacked and the vast riches of its temple plundered. The arch is also a political and religious statement expressing the divinity of the late emperor Titus.
The Arch provides one of the few contemporary depictions of Temple period artifacts.
The seven-branched menorah and trumpets are clearly depicted. It became a symbol of the Jewish diaspora. In a later era, Pope Paul IV made it the place of a yearly oath of submission. Until the modern State of Israel was founded in 1948, Jews refused to walk under it due to a rabbinical prohibition.
The menorah depicted on the Arch served as the model for the menorah used on the emblem of the state of Israel.
That put an end to the civil war in Judea/Israel. That temple was built with Romes money, the one before was built with Persian money, and that belongs to Rome, remember the spoils of war. Its all in your OT what to do with the spoils of war.
I have surely never read from Iranians or Italians that they were the owners of the Temples in the land of Israel.
Lots of things were built in the Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine, Crusade and Ottoman eras in the Land of Israel.
Do you have a list of these governments saying that anything built during those eras belongs to them, and they want to take ownership of them?
Will you answer my question as to who are the Jews you are afraid of? You said so yourself .
What does " I am afraid of who is a Jew" mean?
Sixties Fan
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Here we go idiot. Does a 2000 year old archeological remain count?
The Arch of Titus, Rome
The Arch of Titus is a Roman Triumphal Arch which was erected by Domitian in c. 81 CE at the foot of the Palatine hill on the Via Sacra in the Forum Romanum, Rome. It commemorates the victories of his father Vespasian and brother Titus in the Jewish Warin Judaea (70-71 CE) when the great city of Jerusalem was sacked and the vast riches of its temple plundered. The arch is also a political and religious statement expressing the divinity of the late emperor Titus.
The Arch provides one of the few contemporary depictions of Temple period artifacts.
The seven-branched menorah and trumpets are clearly depicted. It became a symbol of the Jewish diaspora. In a later era, Pope Paul IV made it the place of a yearly oath of submission. Until the modern State of Israel was founded in 1948, Jews refused to walk under it due to a rabbinical prohibition.
The menorah depicted on the Arch served as the model for the menorah used on the emblem of the state of Israel.
That put an end to the civil war in Judea/Israel. That temple was built with Romes money, the one before was built with Persian money, and that belongs to Rome, remember the spoils of war. Its all in your OT what to do with the spoils of war.
Could you clarify to me which Jewish groups were having a civil war with each other?
Are you telling us that there weren't three revolts against the Romans, and all of those wars were civil wars? Jews against Jews?
For what reason?
Penelope
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Here we go idiot. Does a 2000 year old archeological remain count?
The Arch of Titus, Rome
The Arch of Titus is a Roman Triumphal Arch which was erected by Domitian in c. 81 CE at the foot of the Palatine hill on the Via Sacra in the Forum Romanum, Rome. It commemorates the victories of his father Vespasian and brother Titus in the Jewish Warin Judaea (70-71 CE) when the great city of Jerusalem was sacked and the vast riches of its temple plundered. The arch is also a political and religious statement expressing the divinity of the late emperor Titus.
The Arch provides one of the few contemporary depictions of Temple period artifacts.
The seven-branched menorah and trumpets are clearly depicted. It became a symbol of the Jewish diaspora. In a later era, Pope Paul IV made it the place of a yearly oath of submission. Until the modern State of Israel was founded in 1948, Jews refused to walk under it due to a rabbinical prohibition.
The menorah depicted on the Arch served as the model for the menorah used on the emblem of the state of Israel.
That put an end to the civil war in Judea/Israel. That temple was built with Romes money, the one before was built with Persian money, and that belongs to Rome, remember the spoils of war. Its all in your OT what to do with the spoils of war.
I have surely never read from Iranians or Italians that they were the owners of the Temples in the land of Israel.
Lots of things were built in the Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine, Crusade and Ottoman eras in the Land of Israel.
Do you have a list of these governments saying that anything built during those eras belongs to them, and they want to take ownership of them?
Will you answer my question as to who are the Jews you are afraid of? You said so yourself .
What does " I am afraid of who is a Jew" mean?
I am not afraid of jews.
Penelope
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Here we go idiot. Does a 2000 year old archeological remain count?
The Arch of Titus, Rome
The Arch of Titus is a Roman Triumphal Arch which was erected by Domitian in c. 81 CE at the foot of the Palatine hill on the Via Sacra in the Forum Romanum, Rome. It commemorates the victories of his father Vespasian and brother Titus in the Jewish Warin Judaea (70-71 CE) when the great city of Jerusalem was sacked and the vast riches of its temple plundered. The arch is also a political and religious statement expressing the divinity of the late emperor Titus.
The Arch provides one of the few contemporary depictions of Temple period artifacts.
The seven-branched menorah and trumpets are clearly depicted. It became a symbol of the Jewish diaspora. In a later era, Pope Paul IV made it the place of a yearly oath of submission. Until the modern State of Israel was founded in 1948, Jews refused to walk under it due to a rabbinical prohibition.
The menorah depicted on the Arch served as the model for the menorah used on the emblem of the state of Israel.
That put an end to the civil war in Judea/Israel. That temple was built with Romes money, the one before was built with Persian money, and that belongs to Rome, remember the spoils of war. Its all in your OT what to do with the spoils of war.
Could you clarify to me which Jewish groups were having a civil war with each other?
Are you telling us that there weren't three revolts against the Romans, and all of those wars were civil wars? Jews against Jews?
For what reason?
I suggest you read some history, start with Josephus war of the jews. Read roman history. Yes Jews killed Jews and fought amongst themselves.
Penelope
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History Crash Course #31: Herod the Great
While Herod was a Edomite turned Jew, he was also pro Roman. His building projects which put men to work, came mainly from Rome and trade, since Judea was a huge trade route. As long as the Judeans and Israelites behaved and didn't rob the traders, Rome was fine with them and left them alone.
While Herod was a Edomite turned Jew, he was also pro Roman. His building projects which put men to work, came mainly from Rome and trade, since Judea was a huge trade route. As long as the Judeans and Israelites behaved and didn't rob the traders, Rome was fine with them and left them alone.
Sixties Fan
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Here we go idiot. Does a 2000 year old archeological remain count?
The Arch of Titus, Rome
The Arch of Titus is a Roman Triumphal Arch which was erected by Domitian in c. 81 CE at the foot of the Palatine hill on the Via Sacra in the Forum Romanum, Rome. It commemorates the victories of his father Vespasian and brother Titus in the Jewish Warin Judaea (70-71 CE) when the great city of Jerusalem was sacked and the vast riches of its temple plundered. The arch is also a political and religious statement expressing the divinity of the late emperor Titus.
The Arch provides one of the few contemporary depictions of Temple period artifacts.
The seven-branched menorah and trumpets are clearly depicted. It became a symbol of the Jewish diaspora. In a later era, Pope Paul IV made it the place of a yearly oath of submission. Until the modern State of Israel was founded in 1948, Jews refused to walk under it due to a rabbinical prohibition.
The menorah depicted on the Arch served as the model for the menorah used on the emblem of the state of Israel.
That put an end to the civil war in Judea/Israel. That temple was built with Romes money, the one before was built with Persian money, and that belongs to Rome, remember the spoils of war. Its all in your OT what to do with the spoils of war.
Could you clarify to me which Jewish groups were having a civil war with each other?
Are you telling us that there weren't three revolts against the Romans, and all of those wars were civil wars? Jews against Jews?
For what reason?
I suggest you read some history, start with Josephus war of the jews. Read roman history. Yes Jews killed Jews and fought amongst themselves.
I did not say that Jews did not fight Jews at some points, for one reason or another, during the Roman conquest.
You are not acknowledging the Three revolts against the Romans.
Herod restored the second temple, he did not build it from scratch.
The Romans lost that spoil a long time ago, and there hasn't been one Roman, or descendant, to this day who has come to claim anything built with "Roman Money" be it in the Land of Israel, or anywhere else the Romans had conquered.
The same goes for every one of the conquerors who came and went and built anything in the places they conquered.
It is not International Law that if you had once conquered a land, but not made a nation for yourself out of it, that everything built on it continues to belong to the descendants of those people.
Some Muslims are the only ones who think that way.
Some Muslims still consider Southern Spain, and Vienna, etc as theirs because "some" Muslims had once conquered the area.
The idea of Mosques existing before the Solomon Temples were built would be an Islamic idea.
To Islam Adam and Eve were Muslims, and so were all other beings.
Moses freed the Muslims out of Egypt.
All of the above are recent Muslim ideas in order to delegitimize the Jewish People/Nation.
The fact that some in the world, like you, believes and spreads these beliefs (and that is all they are) does not change the history of the world, or the History of the Jewish People on their ancient land.
PS, there were no "Israelites" at the time of the Romans.
Read Josephus's book. Read Jewish History books.
I am sure that you have heard these stories from others, from your family, from church (or wherever you go), or any group which is anti Israel and Jews.
But actually READ any of those books?
Your attempt to pass things which never happened as true does not work in the real world.
And Israel and the Jews will continue to strive in spite of all the fear and hatred you have learned to have towards them.
Am Israel Chai
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Nowhere on Aish.com article you posted the link for, does it refer to Jews AND Israelites.
Read some Jewish History books, instead of simply repeating what you have heard from others who "fear" Jews, or books and sites where all they promote is "fear" of Jews.
Penelope
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Here we go idiot. Does a 2000 year old archeological remain count?
The Arch of Titus, Rome
The Arch of Titus is a Roman Triumphal Arch which was erected by Domitian in c. 81 CE at the foot of the Palatine hill on the Via Sacra in the Forum Romanum, Rome. It commemorates the victories of his father Vespasian and brother Titus in the Jewish Warin Judaea (70-71 CE) when the great city of Jerusalem was sacked and the vast riches of its temple plundered. The arch is also a political and religious statement expressing the divinity of the late emperor Titus.
The Arch provides one of the few contemporary depictions of Temple period artifacts.
The seven-branched menorah and trumpets are clearly depicted. It became a symbol of the Jewish diaspora. In a later era, Pope Paul IV made it the place of a yearly oath of submission. Until the modern State of Israel was founded in 1948, Jews refused to walk under it due to a rabbinical prohibition.
The menorah depicted on the Arch served as the model for the menorah used on the emblem of the state of Israel.
That put an end to the civil war in Judea/Israel. That temple was built with Romes money, the one before was built with Persian money, and that belongs to Rome, remember the spoils of war. Its all in your OT what to do with the spoils of war.
Could you clarify to me which Jewish groups were having a civil war with each other?
Are you telling us that there weren't three revolts against the Romans, and all of those wars were civil wars? Jews against Jews?
For what reason?
I suggest you read some history, start with Josephus war of the jews. Read roman history. Yes Jews killed Jews and fought amongst themselves.
I did not say that Jews did not fight Jews at some points, for one reason or another, during the Roman conquest.
You are not acknowledging the Three revolts against the Romans.
Herod restored the second temple, he did not build it from scratch.
The Romans lost that spoil a long time ago, and there hasn't been one Roman, or descendant, to this day who has come to claim anything built with "Roman Money" be it in the Land of Israel, or anywhere else the Romans had conquered.
The same goes for every one of the conquerors who came and went and built anything in the places they conquered.
It is not International Law that if you had once conquered a land, but not made a nation for yourself out of it, that everything built on it continues to belong to the descendants of those people.
Some Muslims are the only ones who think that way.
Some Muslims still consider Southern Spain, and Vienna, etc as theirs because "some" Muslims had once conquered the area.
The idea of Mosques existing before the Solomon Temples were built would be an Islamic idea.
To Islam Adam and Eve were Muslims, and so were all other beings.
Moses freed the Muslims out of Egypt.
All of the above are recent Muslim ideas in order to delegitimize the Jewish People/Nation.
The fact that some in the world, like you, believes and spreads these beliefs (and that is all they are) does not change the history of the world, or the History of the Jewish People on their ancient land.
PS, there were no "Israelites" at the time of the Romans.
Read Josephus's book. Read Jewish History books.
I am sure that you have heard these stories from others, from your family, from church (or wherever you go), or any group which is anti Israel and Jews.
But actually READ any of those books?
Your attempt to pass things which never happened as true does not work in the real world.
And Israel and the Jews will continue to strive in spite of all the fear and hatred you have learned to have towards them.
Am Israel Chai
No doubt they have weapons they buy from us and nukes and nuclear subs. Do you actually read. If so you would not ask me such dumb questions. Rome sacked Judea, get over it. No actually the RCC never talked about you jews, and no , no one I know talks about you jews, its just not a big subject for most Americans. See how unimportant you are.
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I really do not prefer the jewish bias, but I have read the jewish encly and jewish virtual library which has a slant. Read the Minds of the Bible, wrote by a rabbi. Most of you are secular, and if orthodox they you are a lot like Muslims of SA, your cousins.
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Actually ... Israeli nuclear weapons were developed in Israel and they have no nuclear submarines. The IN has Dolphin-class diesel submarines. A nuclear submarines only real advantage is time on station, they can stay submerged on station for months at a time. However, in the tiny Mediterranean, the much more silent diesel is a better choice.
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When are you jews going to realize you are not that important, and some of us are aware that you caused the US many wars and many war have been started because of you jews. We have a pres. who is more jewish than most jew, everyone in his life is a jew just about . NY was the new Judea, you even have a parade there. Some of us are not so ignorant we do not know this stuff. I also suspect Israel was involved in the planning of 911 so get us to go to war in Iraq.
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Germany has delivered subs which they say can be fitted with nuclear warheads, and I would not doubt if you have one pointed at the US. That is why we are never firm with your genocidal activity.
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Herod was an Edumite "turned Jew"
Herod
Herod grew up in Rome where he was given a full Roman education and formed friendships with children of the Caesar, establishing great connections that would serve him later. He had a magnetic personality and was a genius in many ways. However, he also exhibited signs of mental illness and schizophrenia. At his worst, he was a certified madman prone to extreme violence aimed against foe and friend.
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Even though Herod was a certified madman and murderer he had moments of genuine concern about the welfare of the country and the desire to be loved. In the end, he wanted to be Jewish. He was just not willing to give up his grandiose dreams to do anything about it.
To further reinforce his claims to the throne, as well as the illusory claim that he was part of the Hasmonean Dynasty, Herod prevailed upon Hyrcanus to give him his granddaughter, Mariamne (Miriam), in marriage. It appears from Josephus and Roman historical accounts that Herod truly loved her. However, it was unrequited. She viewed herself as the victim of an arranged marriage.
Distraught, Mariamne attempted to commit suicide, but was unsuccessful. Herod then had her tried and executed. According to the Talmud (Baba Basra 3a), the last Hasmonean was a young princess, and upon hearing that Herod intended to marry her and make her queen she committed suicide. Herod preserved her body in honey so that he could claim that he wed the daughter of a royal house.
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You meant a Jew wannabe, right?
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