Staggering Ohio loss ignites an identity crisis within the anti-abortion movement

[whitehall]

"Staggering defeat" "five alarm fire"? WTF are lefties into these days? It's politics as usual.

 

[Votto]

They'll keep getting pounded into the dirt and still not figure it out. Pro-lifers are some of the worst ideologues out there. They're incapable of seeing past the nose on their faces and they don't care if they keep losing more and more elections to the Democrats over this issue because ultimately they think they're doing God's will. They can't be reasoned with. Goldwater warned about these people flocking to the GOP back in the 60s.

Religious Rhetoric and the Evolution of George W. Bush's Political Philosophy | Journal of American Studies | Cambridge Core

Religious Rhetoric and the Evolution of George W. Bush's Political Philosophy - Volume 48 Issue 4

www.cambridge.org

George Bush rode evangelicals all the way to the White House.

The fact that, after announcing his intention to seek the Republican nomination in March 1999, Bush began to share his previously undiscussed salvation experience in his speeches and writing provides further evidence that, by 1999, he saw the political utility of connecting with the evangelical Republican base. Indeed, in both of his memoirs (A Charge to Keep and Decision Points), Bush devotes several pages to describing the spiritual rebirth he experienced between 1985 and 1986, which he depicts as an awakening that transformed his life and his outlook entirely.Footnote83 The experience of personal salvation is a fundamental part of evangelical Christianity, and sharing the story of one's salvation plays an important role in the process of spreading the gospel and inculcating faith. Perhaps because of this, most salvation narratives share common tropes and follow prescribed patterns.Footnote84 In his memoirs, Bush's description of his tortuous road to finding Jesus fits the archetypal salvation narrative. He cites his days of hard drinking as his low point, then describes a dinner with evangelist Billy Graham as the key event that “planted a mustard seed in my soul” and led to his redemption.Footnote85 Yet David C. Bailey has argued that the narrative Bush provides in A Charge to Keep is a highly modified version of his actual salvation experience, and that as such it demonstrates Bush's calculated efforts during his first presidential campaign to appeal to evangelical voters and signal his “divine commission” to run for President.Footnote86 Indeed, newspaper articles from his first gubernatorial campaign that discuss his decision to quit drinking do not even mention his Christianity or salvation experience as an impetus for the decision.Footnote87 This is significant as it lends credence to the idea that Bush began to incorporate religious tropes into his public speeches strategically.Footnote88 Furthermore, given the strategic release of the book as a campaign tool, Bush's presentation of his salvation experience demonstrates that he and his advisers recognized the need to secure evangelical support in order to win the presidency.

However, Barry Goldwater divorced the evangelicals and lost.

I don't believe "W" was genuine, but he was successful.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Religious Rhetoric and the Evolution of George W. Bush's Political Philosophy | Journal of American Studies | Cambridge Core

Religious Rhetoric and the Evolution of George W. Bush's Political Philosophy - Volume 48 Issue 4

www.cambridge.org

George Bush rode evangelicals all the way to the White House.

The fact that, after announcing his intention to seek the Republican nomination in March 1999, Bush began to share his previously undiscussed salvation experience in his speeches and writing provides further evidence that, by 1999, he saw the political utility of connecting with the evangelical Republican base. Indeed, in both of his memoirs (A Charge to Keep and Decision Points), Bush devotes several pages to describing the spiritual rebirth he experienced between 1985 and 1986, which he depicts as an awakening that transformed his life and his outlook entirely.Footnote83 The experience of personal salvation is a fundamental part of evangelical Christianity, and sharing the story of one's salvation plays an important role in the process of spreading the gospel and inculcating faith. Perhaps because of this, most salvation narratives share common tropes and follow prescribed patterns.Footnote84 In his memoirs, Bush's description of his tortuous road to finding Jesus fits the archetypal salvation narrative. He cites his days of hard drinking as his low point, then describes a dinner with evangelist Billy Graham as the key event that “planted a mustard seed in my soul” and led to his redemption.Footnote85 Yet David C. Bailey has argued that the narrative Bush provides in A Charge to Keep is a highly modified version of his actual salvation experience, and that as such it demonstrates Bush's calculated efforts during his first presidential campaign to appeal to evangelical voters and signal his “divine commission” to run for President.Footnote86 Indeed, newspaper articles from his first gubernatorial campaign that discuss his decision to quit drinking do not even mention his Christianity or salvation experience as an impetus for the decision.Footnote87 This is significant as it lends credence to the idea that Bush began to incorporate religious tropes into his public speeches strategically.Footnote88 Furthermore, given the strategic release of the book as a campaign tool, Bush's presentation of his salvation experience demonstrates that he and his advisers recognized the need to secure evangelical support in order to win the presidency.

However, Barry Goldwater divorced the evangelicals and lost.

I don't believe "W" was genuine, but he was successful.

Bush didn’t overturn Roe. How did that work out for you?

 

[Votto]

Bush didn’t overturn Roe. How did that work out for you?

As I said, I don't think "W" was genuine as he did not appoint to SCOTUS members who would overturn Roe.

I also don't think Trump to be a genuine evangelical either, however, he also courted the evangelicals to victory, but did it by delivering members to SCOTUS who would deliver.

That was the unpardonable sin of Trump. He dared to represent his constituency.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The GQP went too far. What a shock.

This is the way the system is supposed to work. The voters of each state should make the choice, NOT unelected judges.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

This is the way the system is supposed to work. The voters of each state should make the choice, NOT unelected judges.

Judges have the power of review. It is constitutional. So are plebiscites.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Judges have the power of review. It is constitutional. So are plebiscites.

Review yes, making up new law out of whole cloth like Roe V Wade did, NO. It was always a partisan decision and even RBG openly said it was bad law.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Review yes, making up new law out of whole cloth like Roe V Wade did, NO. It was always a partisan decision and even RBG openly said it was bad law.

So what? That is what judicial review does, AZrailwhale. It giveth, it taketh away.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So what? That is what judicial review does, AZrailwhale. It giveth, it taketh away.

Wrong, judicial review looks at laws in how they conform to the constitution. It’s not allowed to make law or invent “rights” that aren’t in the constitution which is what Roe V Wade did.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Just think of all the unwanted leftists sucking off the ,gov tit from cradle to grave that would be around were it not for the utility of abortion.

The gop needs to tell the holy-rollers to FOAD, I mean where are they going to go?

Inst killing babies?To look at it another way.....The Evangelists somehow beat themselves in the head with a hammer to accept Trump so it should not be hard to whack themselves a few more times to accept the utility of abortion.

Indeed, it would be far better to concentrate on guardrails to the practice that normal folks can agree on.

You think only religious "zealots" are against killing babies

There is something unnatural about a living being wanting the destruction of its own offspring.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So what? That is what judicial review does, AZrailwhale. It giveth, it taketh away.

AZrailwhale Wrong, judicial review looks at laws in how they conform to the constitution. It’s not allowed to make law or invent “rights” that aren’t in the constitution which is what Roe V Wade did.

John Edgar Slow Horses That's right, like Plessy and Brown. SCOTUS giveth and taketh away.