CDZ ST. LOUIS RAMS COME OUT WITH 'HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT' SALUTE

[Nosmo King]

St. Louis Rams Come Out with 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot' Salute


While taking the field today to play the Oakland Raiders, several St. Louis Rams players decided to mimic the 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot' gesture used by many protesters since the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown by police officer Darren Wilson in nearby Ferguson, Mo. in August.


Despite winning the game, 52-0, the Rams find themselves at the receiving end of fury from many in the fan base as evidenced by some of the comments posted at their Facebook page. This could be the most significant political statement made at a major sporting event since the 'Black Power' salute at the 1968 Sumner Olympics.

St. Louis Rams Come Out with Hands Up Don t Shoot Salute

I'm now a Rams fan! I think this country now needs an honest debate about police brutality, especially against black men and women.

Go Rams!

You don't want honest debate. You've proven that. All you want is for white people to shut up and be told how bad they are.

Notice what the five have in common. Not surprised. Seems those players didn't get the word that thug Michael didn't have his hands up.

Perhaps rather than being perturbed, White people should be chastened. Communities with grievances should be permitted to redress their grievances without a militarized police force firing rubber bullets and tear gas.. Communities living under overzealous police tactics don't want to riot, unless that is their only recourse.

You answer like someone who has never suffered racial profiling, nor aggressive police tactics nor the loss of a community member at the hands of the police. So I understand why your hide is feeling chapped.

But you have also failed to listen, failed to empathize and failed to correct past mistakes. Your annoyance is nothing more than a fit of self absorbed pique.

 

[chikenwing]

The issue here is relations between black communities and law enforcement. It is not about violence among gang members and not about drug violence.

It is the lack of a good working relationship between the community they serve and the police. Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. If it were the other way around, a 60 % white community with a 94% black police force, and if a black cop shot a white kid, you folks would be singing a different tune.

What you refuse to accept is that racism still exists and it is a serious problem. You aren't black, so you don't know.

Darren Wilson came from a police department that had been gutted due to rampant racism, and it was right next door to Ferguson.


Darren Wilson 8217 s former police force was disbanded for excessive force and corruption - Salon.com

But that's not what happened,you do understand his actions were justified.

 

[Meathead]

Since Mike Brown never put his hands up and said Don't Shoot, the Rams have been asked to apologize.

More than 50% of the witnesses said that he did put his hands up.

What do the newly released witness statements tell us about the Michael Brown shooting PBS NewsHour

• More than 50 percent of the witness statements said that Michael Brown held his hands up when Darren Wilson shot him. (16 out of 29 such statements)

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From PBS link:

• More than half of the witness statements said that Brown was running away from Wilson when the police officer opened fire on the 18-year-old, while fewer than one-fifth of such statements indicated that was not the case.

Speaks to the reliability of many of the witnesses. You cannot get shot in the front of the body when running away from the weapon.

 

[Yarddog]

More police brutality in St Louis...

Why did a boyfriend have his pregnant girlfriend at a dangerous protest? and what about reports they tried to hit an officer with the car? Maybe we should wait for the evidence to come out first, in the same way we should have waited for the evidence to come out first in the Brown case before claiming police execution. Im sure you know this is why they had rioting. After the first news reports come out in these sorts of incidents Low information voters stop reading about the facts and only reverberate the word on the street at that point. Then you end up with hatred, rioting and reprisals.
If the jurors and voted to indict Wilson I would be satisfied with their decision because we have to live under the system, thats justice. The verdict didnt come out the way you want and you choose pack mentality over civilization. Your choice.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The NFL player is clearly voicing concern over excessive force and police brutality.

Are they? Odd, literally for every death where the police shoot and kill a black person - there are over 1,000 murders at the hands of other blacks.
Seems to me that is more important issue - you think?
-- Or perhaps they don't give a flying frig about police brutality and just think it looks cool. Otherwise, like I say they are idiotic for ignoring 1,000's of deaths every year.

 

[Carla_Danger]

More police brutality in St Louis...

Why did a boyfriend have his pregnant girlfriend at a dangerous protest? and what about reports they tried to hit an officer with the car? Maybe we should wait for the evidence to come out first, in the same way we should have waited for the evidence to come out first in the Brown case before claiming police execution. Im sure you know this is why they had rioting. After the first news reports come out in these sorts of incidents Low information voters stop reading about the facts and only reverberate the word on the street at that point. Then you end up with hatred, rioting and reprisals.
If the jurors and voted to indict Wilson I would be satisfied with their decision because we have to live under the system, thats justice. The verdict didnt come out the way you want and you choose pack mentality over civilization. Your choice.

I still haven't found this story on any credible news link.

 

[Carla_Danger]

The NFL player is clearly voicing concern over excessive force and police brutality.

Are they? Odd, literally for every death where the police shoot and kill a black person - there are over 1,000 murders at the hands of other blacks.
Seems to me that is more important issue - you think?
-- Or perhaps they don't give a flying frig about police brutality and just think it looks cool. Otherwise, like I say they are idiotic for ignoring 1,000's of deaths every year.

AGAIN, gang violence is irrelevant to this thread.

 

[Carla_Danger]

The issue here is relations between black communities and law enforcement. It is not about violence among gang members and not about drug violence.

It is the lack of a good working relationship between the community they serve and the police. Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. If it were the other way around, a 60 % white community with a 94% black police force, and if a black cop shot a white kid, you folks would be singing a different tune.

What you refuse to accept is that racism still exists and it is a serious problem. You aren't black, so you don't know.

Darren Wilson came from a police department that had been gutted due to rampant racism, and it was right next door to Ferguson.


Darren Wilson 8217 s former police force was disbanded for excessive force and corruption - Salon.com

But that's not what happened,you do understand his actions were justified.

I know nothing of the sort, and neither do you.

 

[Manonthestreet]

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Many of those so called witnesses weren't at the scene

Number 43 was a kid listening to music.

And that means what? What is the probability over 40 people saw him get shot? Almost nil.And as far as "well......well......there should have been a trial" bet most of you who say that still think Zimmerman stalked Trayvonn with intent to kill.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I don't' follow sports but did see this.

Tebow was allowed to demonstrate at every game he played.

What's the difference?

 

[Carla_Danger]

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Many of those so called witnesses weren't at the scene

Number 43 was a kid listening to music.

And that means what? What is the probability over 40 people saw him get shot? Almost nil.And as far as "well......well......there should have been a trial" bet most of you who say that still think Zimmerman stalked Trayvonn with intent to kill.

I don't know if Zimmerman intended to kill Martin, but that's exactly what happened, because he decided to stalk an unarmed teen who had every right to be in that neighborhood.

Now, back to the topic...

 

[mdk]

I see nothing wrong with these players expressing their views in such a fashion though I do disagree with their opinion on the subject.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The issue here is relations between black communities and law enforcement. It is not about violence among gang members and not about drug violence.

It is the lack of a good working relationship between the community they serve and the police. Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. If it were the other way around, a 60 % white community with a 94% black police force, and if a black cop shot a white kid, you folks would be singing a different tune.

What you refuse to accept is that racism still exists and it is a serious problem. You aren't black, so you don't know.

Darren Wilson came from a police department that had been gutted due to rampant racism, and it was right next door to Ferguson.


Darren Wilson 8217 s former police force was disbanded for excessive force and corruption - Salon.com

But that's not what happened,you do understand his actions were justified.

Only if assault is now a capital crime.

 

[Esmeralda]

The issue here is relations between black communities and law enforcement. It is not about violence among gang members and not about drug violence.

It is the lack of a good working relationship between the community they serve and the police. Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. If it were the other way around, a 60 % white community with a 94% black police force, and if a black cop shot a white kid, you folks would be singing a different tune.

What you refuse to accept is that racism still exists and it is a serious problem. You aren't black, so you don't know.

Darren Wilson came from a police department that had been gutted due to rampant racism, and it was right next door to Ferguson.


Darren Wilson 8217 s former police force was disbanded for excessive force and corruption - Salon.com

But that's not what happened,you do understand his actions were justified.

No, his actions were not justified. From the very beginning, his actions were incorrect and inappropriate; had they been correct, no one would have died.

 

[B. Kidd]

I see nothing wrong with these players expressing their views in such a fashion though I do disagree with their opinion on the subject.

Football is their job. They were at work. Do you think it's okay for people to protest on company time?

 

[Nosmo King]

The issue here is relations between black communities and law enforcement. It is not about violence among gang members and not about drug violence.

It is the lack of a good working relationship between the community they serve and the police. Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. If it were the other way around, a 60 % white community with a 94% black police force, and if a black cop shot a white kid, you folks would be singing a different tune.

What you refuse to accept is that racism still exists and it is a serious problem. You aren't black, so you don't know.

Darren Wilson came from a police department that had been gutted due to rampant racism, and it was right next door to Ferguson.


Darren Wilson 8217 s former police force was disbanded for excessive force and corruption - Salon.com

But that's not what happened,you do understand his actions were justified.

No, his actions were not justified. From the very beginning, his actions were incorrect and inappropriate; had they been correct, no one would have died.

To those who think deadly force should be employed more often and more aggressively:

Does the cost of deadly force justify it's use? The cost to the family of the victim, the cost to the police officer himself and most of all, the cost in reputation of the local police force?

Perhaps the action movie ethic of shooting first (then justifying that shooting behind a perceived threat against the officer) and asking the wrong questions later is eroding the trust communities have in their law enforcement. Perhaps the militarization of local police forces after 9.11 was a major mistake. Stand your Ground laws have obliterated murder charges. and the proliferation of guns carried by civilians can only serve to increase street violence and, by their very presence, diluted the community trust in law enforcement.

 

[mdk]

I see nothing wrong with these players expressing their views in such a fashion though I do disagree with their opinion on the subject.

Football is their job. They were at work. Do you think it's okay for people to protest on company time?

If the Rams are upset over their protest then I am sure the orgnization will let them know.

 

[Esmeralda]

The original story was that Wilson knew nothing about the robbery. Wilson stopped the two for jaywalking

And?
My point being the NFL player said "no matter what led up to the shooting, something needs to be done".
The point is the same, what the heck is that supposed to mean?
Is he advocating cops do not carry guns?
Or is his statement about the REAL problem...urban black culture of high crime/violence?

What "something needs to be done" means is an improvement in the relationship between the black community and the police force that serves them.

 

[Carla_Danger]

The issue here is relations between black communities and law enforcement. It is not about violence among gang members and not about drug violence.

It is the lack of a good working relationship between the community they serve and the police. Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. If it were the other way around, a 60 % white community with a 94% black police force, and if a black cop shot a white kid, you folks would be singing a different tune.

What you refuse to accept is that racism still exists and it is a serious problem. You aren't black, so you don't know.

Darren Wilson came from a police department that had been gutted due to rampant racism, and it was right next door to Ferguson.


Darren Wilson 8217 s former police force was disbanded for excessive force and corruption - Salon.com

But that's not what happened,you do understand his actions were justified.

No, his actions were not justified. From the very beginning, his actions were incorrect and inappropriate; had they been correct, no one would have died.

To those who think deadly force should be employed more often and more aggressively:

Does the cost of deadly force justify it's use? The cost to the family of the victim, the cost to the police officer himself and most of all, the cost in reputation of the local police force?

Perhaps the action movie ethic of shooting first (then justifying that shooting behind a perceived threat against the officer) and asking the wrong questions later is eroding the trust communities have in their law enforcement. Perhaps the militarization of local police forces after 9.11 was a major mistake. Stand your Ground laws have obliterated murder charges. and the proliferation of guns carried by civilians can only serve to increase street violence and, by their very presence, diluted the community trust in law enforcement.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

AGAIN, gang violence is irrelevant to this thread.

And why is that?
Why care about "police brutality"?
Because you think people die? So the death of these young blacks is your primary focus? If so then why on earth would you not care that literally 1000 times as many blacks die from the hands of each other than cops. ANNNND overwhelmingly the cop shootings are legitimate while N O N E of the black on black murders are.
You realize how asinine this is?