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what a stupid thing to say
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‘Squad’ Member Pressley: Prioritize Prisoners For Vaccine; Medical Community Exacted ‘Medical Apartheid On Black Americans’
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It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
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You know me, independent hard ass, so you will not be surprised that I do not favor priority for the incarcerated. People of all races and creeds should prioritize behavior that will not get them incarcerated. If you choose the quick way up the mountain and fall, making subject to injury or death, while laying there, hard to imagine not thinking "maybe should have chosen to stay on the safer trail up that hill". Choices suck when you make the wrong one. Just saying,...It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possible
You are agreeing from the point of view of being kind to extra-vulnerable people who are catching COVID at a high rate. I don't care about that: I think we coddle criminals way too much and it would be better to execute most of them.
However, I do agree somewhat with getting them vaccinated fairly soon because the Democratic govs. are just letting these criminals loose on society where they murder and rape and rob as soon as they get out. Better to vaccinate them if that is what it takes to keep them jailed.
You know me, independent hard ass, so you will not be surprised that I do not favor priority for the incarcerated. People of all races and creeds should prioritize behavior that will not get them incarcerated. If you choose the quick way up the mountain and fall, making subject to injury or death, while laying there, hard to imagine not thinking "maybe should have chosen to stay on the safer trail up that hill". Choices suck when you make the wrong one. Just saying,...It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
And if you take a few prison guards with you when you fall?
It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possible
You are agreeing from the point of view of being kind to extra-vulnerable people who are catching COVID at a high rate. I don't care about that: I think we coddle criminals way too much and it would be better to execute most of them.
However, I do agree somewhat with getting them vaccinated fairly soon because the Democratic govs. are just letting these criminals loose on society where they murder and rape and rob as soon as they get out. Better to vaccinate them if that is what it takes to keep them jailed.
I see both sides of the argument.
If the guards are vaccinated....okay there is no danger (supposedly) from the prisoner being a carrier. When the prisoner gets released to the un-inoculated public though? Visitors? Plus...and this is where i differ with you....the punishment for the crime is incarceration....not being subject to diseases. I know your answer to this but what do you do when they get stabbed during a race riot in the prison...just let them bleed out?
I see both sides of the argument.
If the guards are vaccinated....okay there is no danger (supposedly) from the prisoner being a carrier. When the prisoner gets released to the un-inoculated public though? Visitors? Plus...and this is where i differ with you....the punishment for the crime is incarceration....not being subject to diseases. I know your answer to this but what do you do when they get stabbed during a race riot in the prison...just let them bleed out?
Well, you make good points. I guess I agree with you generally. And I didn't think about the guards: of course they at least should be vaccinated. True, the punishment for the crime was never a sentence of getting a disease.
It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
not possible? why not?
It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
not possible? why not?
Seriously?
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Oh, I would prioritize high, getting the guards and prison staff vaccinated and probably favor as a job requirement.You know me, independent hard ass, so you will not be surprised that I do not favor priority for the incarcerated. People of all races and creeds should prioritize behavior that will not get them incarcerated. If you choose the quick way up the mountain and fall, making subject to injury or death, while laying there, hard to imagine not thinking "maybe should have chosen to stay on the safer trail up that hill". Choices suck when you make the wrong one. Just saying,...It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
And if you take a few prison guards with you when you fall?
As you can guess, all I know about being in prison if from a partial episode of "Lockup". It was enough to let me know I was smart not choosing those kind of life choices, as I sure didn't want to be there.
I appreciate the staff of our state and federal prisons almost as highly as regular law enforcement. They keep the proven scum of society off the streets, making it somewhat a safer place for the rest of us that did not choose the shortcuts. They should be prioritized to receive.
Oh, I would prioritize high, getting the guards and prison staff vaccinated and probably favor as a job requirement.You know me, independent hard ass, so you will not be surprised that I do not favor priority for the incarcerated. People of all races and creeds should prioritize behavior that will not get them incarcerated. If you choose the quick way up the mountain and fall, making subject to injury or death, while laying there, hard to imagine not thinking "maybe should have chosen to stay on the safer trail up that hill". Choices suck when you make the wrong one. Just saying,...It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
And if you take a few prison guards with you when you fall?
As you can guess, all I know about being in prison if from a partial episode of "Lockup". It was enough to let me know I was smart not choosing those kind of life choices, as I sure didn't want to be there.
I appreciate the staff of our state and federal prisons almost as highly as regular law enforcement. They keep the proven scum of society off the streets, making it somewhat a safer place for the rest of us that did not choose the shortcuts. They should be prioritized to receive.
It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
not possible? why not?
Seriously?
yes. Prisoners need not MINGLE---and they can wear face masks as can officers when they confront
prisoners. Prisoner social distancing would be no more inconvenient than social distancing for you and
me
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You know me, independent hard ass, so you will not be surprised that I do not favor priority for the incarcerated. People of all races and creeds should prioritize behavior that will not get them incarcerated. If you choose the quick way up the mountain and fall, making subject to injury or death, while laying there, hard to imagine not thinking "maybe should have chosen to stay on the safer trail up that hill". Choices suck when you make the wrong one. Just saying,...It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
Not all choices deserve the death penalty though. When you incarcerate someone (and frankly far more end up icarcerated than should be because it is an industry), you assume a responsibility for their basic needs since you have removed the opportunity for them to do so. On a more practical stand point, in a close confined situation like that it can be very expensive to treat those that become sick and impossible to isolate them, and protective gear is often not provided. IMO, any large group facility that can not accommodate basic preventative measures or contains a particularly vulnerable population should be prioritized.
It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
not possible? why not?
Seriously?
yes. Prisoners need not MINGLE---and they can wear face masks as can officers when they confront
prisoners. Prisoner social distancing would be no more inconvenient than social distancing for you and
me
Wow...Lets see.
2900 prisoners in some prisons. Six rec yards. How would you run recreation for 2,900 prisoners?
2900 prisoners in some prisons. 18 showers. How would you run showers for 2,900 prisoners?
2900 prisoners in some prisons. Two chow halls for gen pop. How are you going to run chow for 2,900 prisoners.
And we haven't gotten to parole hearings, two officer escorts, visitation, etc...
You know me, independent hard ass, so you will not be surprised that I do not favor priority for the incarcerated. People of all races and creeds should prioritize behavior that will not get them incarcerated. If you choose the quick way up the mountain and fall, making subject to injury or death, while laying there, hard to imagine not thinking "maybe should have chosen to stay on the safer trail up that hill". Choices suck when you make the wrong one. Just saying,...It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
Not all choices deserve the death penalty though. When you incarcerate someone (and frankly far more end up icarcerated than should be because it is an industry), you assume a responsibility for their basic needs since you have removed the opportunity for them to do so. On a more practical stand point, in a close confined situation like that it can be very expensive to treat those that become sick and impossible to isolate them, and protective gear is often not provided. IMO, any large group facility that can not accommodate basic preventative measures or contains a particularly vulnerable population should be prioritized.
seems to me that you have not been INSIDE a whole lot of prisons. Perhaps you have an image of USA prisons as something like Medieval DUNGEONS with
scores of people chained up inside small dark places--or CHAIN GANGS. -----it ain't so. -----their are small---INDIVIDUAL cells----with usually two---or even one person per cell-----and a sink and a toilet
It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
not possible? why not?
Seriously?
yes. Prisoners need not MINGLE---and they can wear face masks as can officers when they confront
prisoners. Prisoner social distancing would be no more inconvenient than social distancing for you and
me
Wow...Lets see.
2900 prisoners in some prisons. Six rec yards. How would you run recreation for 2,900 prisoners?
2900 prisoners in some prisons. 18 showers. How would you run showers for 2,900 prisoners?
2900 prisoners in some prisons. Two chow halls for gen pop. How are you going to run chow for 2,900 prisoners.
And we haven't gotten to parole hearings, two officer escorts, visitation, etc...
You haven't been inside a whole lot of prisons either. Who says you have to let the whole population out at the same time for rec? who says you can't distance tables and rotate meal times or EAT IN THE CELL---like happens in lots of prisons via tray thru a slot? Officer escorts to parole hearing would be no different from SUPERMARKET shopping rules now in effect
It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possible
You are agreeing from the point of view of being kind to extra-vulnerable people who are catching COVID at a high rate. I don't care about that: I think we coddle criminals way too much and it would be better to execute most of them.
However, I do agree somewhat with getting them vaccinated fairly soon because the Democratic govs. are just letting these criminals loose on society where they murder and rape and rob as soon as they get out. Better to vaccinate them if that is what it takes to keep them jailed.
I see both sides of the argument.
If the guards are vaccinated....okay there is no danger (supposedly) from the prisoner being a carrier. When the prisoner gets released to the un-inoculated public though? Visitors? Plus...and this is where i differ with you....the punishment for the crime is incarceration....not being subject to diseases. I know your answer to this but what do you do when they get stabbed during a race riot in the prison...just let them bleed out?
from what I have seen from Prisons----there is far more danger from drug dealing and violence BETWEEN prisoners-----than catching a CORONA from a guy in the other cell
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You know me, independent hard ass, so you will not be surprised that I do not favor priority for the incarcerated. People of all races and creeds should prioritize behavior that will not get them incarcerated. If you choose the quick way up the mountain and fall, making subject to injury or death, while laying there, hard to imagine not thinking "maybe should have chosen to stay on the safer trail up that hill". Choices suck when you make the wrong one. Just saying,...It actually makes a lot of sense considering the atmosphere of correctional facilities where social distancing between officers and inmates isn't possiblewhat a stupid thing to say
Not all choices deserve the death penalty though. When you incarcerate someone (and frankly far more end up icarcerated than should be because it is an industry), you assume a responsibility for their basic needs since you have removed the opportunity for them to do so. On a more practical stand point, in a close confined situation like that it can be very expensive to treat those that become sick and impossible to isolate them, and protective gear is often not provided. IMO, any large group facility that can not accommodate basic preventative measures or contains a particularly vulnerable population should be prioritized.
seems to me that you have not been INSIDE a whole lot of prisons. Perhaps you have an image of USA prisons as something like Medieval DUNGEONS with
scores of people chained up inside small dark places--or CHAIN GANGS. -----it ain't so. -----their are small---INDIVIDUAL cells----with usually two---or even one person per cell-----and a sink and a toilet
We have a federal cluster of prisons five miles from me. They are not small facilities. The high security penitentiary holds 2003. As you point out cells are small. Unless you keep everyone segregated In lockdown, and have a good ventilation system...how will you keep an airborn infectious disease from spreading? So far, prisons have not been successful.
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A State-By-State Look at 15 Months of Coronavirus in Prisons
The Marshall Project and The Associated Press collected data on COVID-19 infections in state and federal prisons every week. See how the virus affected correctional facilities near you.
By Dec. 15, at least 276,235 people in prison had tested positive for the illness, a 10 percent increase from the week before.
New infections this week reached their highest level since the start of the pandemic. The latest surges have far outpaced the previous peak in early August. California reported nearly 6,000 new cases. The Federal Bureau of Prisons had more than 3,000. Michigan and Pennsylvania had more than 2,000. Arizona and Nevada each saw more than 1,000 new cases.
There have been at least1,738 deathsfrom coronavirus reported among prisoners.
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