Spread the Wealth

[rayboyusmc]

It's true that we have been doing this. But it's upward that we have been spreading it since Reagan first started his war on the middle class.

The gap between the haves and the haves not has increased.

Some people just love to vote against their best interest.

It is the middle class that makes this country work.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know RayBoy, I've been looking a this since McInsane started showing it.

We DO need to redistribute the wealth. Look at the bottleneck that has happened from the "trickle down theory" that has been promoted by 41 and 43. It's stagnant, because those at the top, don't want to let those down below have some.

Kinda like what happens with water when those at the top take most of the water, and the people at the bottom end up with a drought.

Nope......trickle down never works, but trickle up does. Check out the dude from India that won the Nobel Peace Prize for solving poverty in his country.

 

[DiamondDave]

No.. in a free society you do not NEED to redistribute the wealth... only to ensure the freedom and liberty that ensures that everyone has the opportunity to take advantage of their own decisions, efforts, choices, investments, education, training, employment choices, etc to have the ability to make whatever success they can...

The funny thing with freedom that uber-lefties do not get... is that freedom does not only bring the good things in life.... inherently with freedom you have the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail.. the freedom to make both good and bad choices... the freedom to underachieve and overachieve.... the freedom to be lucky or unlucky (if you believe in luck)... if you love your freedom you embrace these facts and still support your freedoms even if you do not get the best result

 

[Ravi]

No.. in a free society you do not NEED to redistribute the wealth... only to ensure the freedom and liberty that ensures that everyone has the opportunity to take advantage of their own decisions, efforts, choices, investments, education, training, employment choices, etc to have the ability to make whatever success they can...

I guess then there are no free societies.

 

[del]

I guess then there are no free societies.

can't fool you

 

[Ravi]

can't fool you

If only.

 

[rayboyusmc]

The funny thing with freedom that uber-lefties do not get...

Uber my ass.

Look at how wages have stagnated and CEO's salaries have skyrocketed. Look at how the gap in incomes has increased.

The middle class is the engine that drives the economics of this Nation not a few rich trickle downs.

I have worked all my life, so don't give me the shit that I want something for nothing.


I am tired of those with money and power telling US to get screwed and those who support this shit.

 

[DiamondDave]

Uber my ass.

Look at how wages have stagnated and CEO's salaries have skyrocketed. Look at how the gap in incomes has increased.

The middle class is the engine that drives the economics of this Nation not a few rich trickle downs.

I have worked all my life, so don't give me the shit that I want something for nothing.


I am tired of those with money and power telling US to get screwed and those who support this shit.

And you or anyone else are owed it by whom and why?

The companies had the freedom to give their compensation packages however they wanted... whether I agree with them (which I do not), or you do, or Obama does, or Joe 6-pack does, or Bernie Ebbers does, or whomever

They had the freedom to do it as you have the freedom to complain about it... as you and I and everyone else has the freedom to invest in those companies or not... as you and I and everyone else has the freedom to be patrons of those companies or not

 

[ABikerSailor]

No.. in a free society you do not NEED to redistribute the wealth... only to ensure the freedom and liberty that ensures that everyone has the opportunity to take advantage of their own decisions, efforts, choices, investments, education, training, employment choices, etc to have the ability to make whatever success they can...

The funny thing with freedom that uber-lefties do not get... is that freedom does not only bring the good things in life.... inherently with freedom you have the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail.. the freedom to make both good and bad choices... the freedom to underachieve and overachieve.... the freedom to be lucky or unlucky (if you believe in luck)... if you love your freedom you embrace these facts and still support your freedoms even if you do not get the best result

You're right...in a free society you DON'T need to re-distribute the wealth. However, this is no longer a free society, as our taxes are being sent to the richest, to be re-distributed to the poorest. However, the rich hold on to everything, and the poor get nothing.

And yes, the freedom to succeed means that you also have to work with the freedom to fail. However.......stacking the deck in your favor via predatory lending means that you're taking advantage of the situation.

 

[nickd]

It is not just the super rich that are going to have their wealth redistrubuted. It is any business that has a gross income of 250k. That figure is not that high and it will affect MANY small businesses. This will do nothing but hurt the economy.

I kind of hope Obama wins and puts this into action, so this way everyone can see what a disater of a plan this is.

 

[DiamondDave]

You're right...in a free society you DON'T need to re-distribute the wealth. However, this is no longer a free society, as our taxes are being sent to the richest, to be re-distributed to the poorest. However, the rich hold on to everything, and the poor get nothing.

And yes, the freedom to succeed means that you also have to work with the freedom to fail. However.......stacking the deck in your favor via predatory lending means that you're taking advantage of the situation.

I do not support any sort of government redistribution or welfare.. whether it be to the lazy, or to corporations or whatever... so I will not disagree with your sentiment that distributing tax monies to corporations for 'assistance' is a bad thing...

But.... even if you have a bad hand dealt... even if you bet the right way... even if you want a different hand... does not mean you have the right to take from someone else's chip stack or from their hand...

We do live in a free society... it is just many do not like the results of that freedom and think they are owed something when they get the short ed of the stick....

 

[ABikerSailor]

It is not just the super rich that are going to have their wealth redistrubuted. It is any business that has a gross income of 250k. That figure is not that high and it will affect MANY small businesses. This will do nothing but hurt the economy.

I kind of hope Obama wins and puts this into action, so this way everyone can see what a disater of a plan this is.

I hope Obama wins and puts it into action also. That way assholes like you can see that you've been lied to for the past 8 years.

 

[rayboyusmc]

Fucking amazing. We just did the largest redistribution of wealth in our history. 800 billion will go to the richest of the rich to keep the banks they fucked up in business. That is not redistributing the wealth? And buddy it sure wasn't downward or across - it was upward.

If anyone gives money to some poor bastard who screwed up his savings, you have a shit fit. But for the AIGs etc. it's just fine?

As to the Obama comment. Where the hell do you think we are now with Bush's failed economic policies?

He just partially socialized our banking system and you are worried Obama might be socialist.

Holy shit. Tell me about my fucking blinders.

I am not asking for anyone to give me anything. I would like everyone to pull their weight. Right now, the upper rich aren't.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Fucking amazing. We just did the largest redistribution of wealth in our history. 800 billion will go to the richest of the rich to keep the banks they fucked up in business. That is not redistributing the wealth? And buddy it sure wasn't downward or across - it was upward.

If anyone gives money to some poor bastard who screwed up his savings, you have a shit fit. But for the AIGs etc. it's just fine?

that's why the bail out should have never been approved. those companies should have been allowed to go belly up just as those homeowners took loans they couldn't afford should be allowed to lose their houses.

As to the Obama comment. Where the hell do you think we are now with Bush's failed economic policies?

He just partially socialized our banking system and you are worried Obama might be socialist.

And BHO voted for the bail out and is not speaking out against the strong arm tactics of the government basically forcing banks to sell preferred shares to the government therefore one is reasonable to assume that BHO wants these socialist policies.

Just because GW pulls a rabbit right out of a socialist's hat doesn't mean that Obama disagrees

Holy shit. Tell me about my fucking blinders.

I am not asking for anyone to give me anything. I would like everyone to pull their weight. Right now, the upper rich aren't.

it's shortsighted to think the sins of GW are not approved of by BHO.

They BOTH can be wrong you know.

 

[rayboyusmc]

Just because GW pulls a rabbit right out of a socialist's hat doesn't mean that Obama disagrees

But GW is the one doing it. Not Obama.

Fuck it. I will wait till Obama is elected and see what happens.

 

[Skull Pilot]

But GW is the one doing it. Not Obama.

Fuck it. I will wait till Obama is elected and see what happens.

Right and where is BHO denouncing the move. Denouncing JM for going along with GW

oh that's right BHO went along too so he can say nothing

 

[KMAN]

It's true that we have been doing this. But it's upward that we have been spreading it since Reagan first started his war on the middle class.

The gap between the haves and the haves not has increased.

Some people just love to vote against their best interest.

It is the middle class that makes this country work.

It is the rich that employee the middle class... You don't bite the hand that feeds you!

 

[ABikerSailor]

It is the rich that employee the middle class... You don't bite the hand that feeds you!

But if the hand that is supposed to feed you is off spending money on foolish bullshit getaways (like AIG and all the others did), and you have no chow, what then?

Trickle down theory never works. Look at the water wars that have been fought over the years. Those at the top of the stream used it all for themselves, leaving those at the bottom in a drought. Kinda like what has happened with the banks and the cash. They thought the money well would never dry up, and spent it with reckless abandon.

 

[DiamondDave]

But if the hand that is supposed to feed you is off spending money on foolish bullshit getaways (like AIG and all the others did), and you have no chow, what then?

Trickle down theory never works. Look at the water wars that have been fought over the years. Those at the top of the stream used it all for themselves, leaving those at the bottom in a drought. Kinda like what has happened with the banks and the cash. They thought the money well would never dry up, and spent it with reckless abandon.

Then you have the choice not to buy their products, invest in them, not work for them, etc

 

[nickd]

I hope Obama wins and puts it into action also. That way assholes like you can see that you've been lied to for the past 8 years.

So i am automatically an asshole because I am in a company that makes more than 250k a year.

If you ask me, your tone would qualify you as the asshole here.