Spoiler Alert: Prosecutors' Tortuous Trump Case Is 'Confusing' to Nearly Everyone

[SeaMajor7]

I understand the case.......

It's Industrial Strength ELECTION INTERFERENCE

 

[forkup]

And describe for me, what does Justice look like to you?

Justice is respecting the verdict of a jury of peers, even when you don't like that verdict. This goes both ways.

 

[rampart]

NY local/state court trying to convict Trump on federal charges.

Generally, a state cannot prosecute a federal crime. The federal government prosecutes federal crimes. Criminal cases can fall under either state, federal, or concurrent jurisdiction

trump is being tried on state court for violations of state law.

 

[rampart]

And describe for me, what does Justice look like to you?

12 guys hear the evidence and decide. that is how it works here.

 

[j-mac]

Justice is respecting the verdict of a jury of peers, even when you don't like that verdict. This goes both ways.

As if you’d respect the exoneration of Trump….give me a break…

 

[j-mac]

12 guys hear the evidence and decide. that is how it works here.

As long as they decide the way you want.

 

[forkup]

As long as they decide the way you want.

Sure I will. In fact.

The criminal justice system allows for a presumption of innocence and a beyond reasonable doubt standard in which 12 members of a jury have too agree. I'm pretty skeptical that the available information about the evidence would be sufficient to overcome that hurdle.

It's always funny how it always seems to be Trump supporters who state that someone on the left can't be intellectually honest.

The only thing you do is project your own dishonesty.

I don't tailor my opinions on political expediency. Maybe you shouldn't either.

 

[j-mac]

Sure I will. In fact.


It's always funny how it always seems to be Trump supporters who state that someone on the left can't be intellectually honest.

The only thing you do is project your own dishonesty.

I don't tailor my opinions on political expediency. Maybe you shouldn't either.

You people are idiots.

 

[crossbody]

12 guys hear the evidence and decide. that is how it works here.

democrats need all 12
with this case I believe they never had 12 on their side from the start

 

[forkup]

You people are idiots.

Really? That's the best you can do?

You accuse me of not being able to do something that you aren't willing to do.

When I show you to be wrong you call me an idiot?

Mac at what point do you think you'll be able to show the slightest bit of self-reflection?

 

[j-mac]

Really? That's the best you can do?

You accuse me of not being able to do something that you aren't willing to do.

When I show you to be wrong you call me an idiot?

Mac at what point do you think you'll be able to show the slightest bit of self-reflection?

Come on man, this whole circus is a sick joke….SMH.

 

[forkup]

Come on man, this whole circus is a sick joke….SMH.

Again. If it's a "sick joke" the juries verdict will reflect that. Why are you not willing to accept that verdict?

 

[SeaMajor7]

Again. If it's a "sick joke" the juries verdict will reflect that. Why are you not willing to accept that verdict?

The FACT that you accept this Stalinist BULLSHIT SHOW TRIAL nullifies ANYTHING you have to say about the outcome.

 

[Faun]

Wrong….

Donald Trump is undergoing a criminal trial in Manhattan. He is charged with filing corporate records that included a false statement; namely, that payments to Michael Cohen that were described as being for legal services were, in fact, to reimburse Cohen for making one or more payments to Stormy Daniels in exchange for a non-disclosure agreement. But those payments to Daniels were perfectly legal, and filing a false corporate document is a misdemeanor on which the statute of limitation has passed.

So in order to charge Trump, District Attorney Alvin Bragg had to allege that the false documents were filed in order to cover up another crime. That would make it a felony. But what is that other crime? Bragg has been coy about it. In truth, there was no other crime, and Bragg’s prosecution is election interference on behalf of the Democratic Party, plain and simple.

One would think that this case could not have gone to trial without a clear specification of that other crime and evidence in support of it. But that appears to be what has happened, courtesy of trial judge Juan Merchan, who is in on the scam.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/04/a-prosecution-in-search-of-a-crime.php

Nope, the payment to Daniels was not legal. It was an illegal campaign contribution, for which Cohen was convicted and incarcerated. That means he wasn’t performing a legal service.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Nope, the payment to Daniels was not legal. It was an illegal campaign contribution, for which Cohen was convicted and incarcerated. That means he wasn’t performing a legal service.

FAKE NEWS!!!!!
Cohen was jailed for his OWN tax evasion you lying sack of SHIT!!!!

 

[forkup]

The FACT that you accept this Stalinist BULLSHIT SHOW TRIAL nullifies ANYTHING you have to say about the outcome.

Sure I accept that. Just like I accepted the Durham investigation lasting years and coming back with one guilty plea, and 2 acquittals in a remarkably short time.

That's how it works. A prosecutor, even if that prosecutor acts in bad faith has the hurdle of a trial to overcome. A hurdle that gives considerable advantages to a defendant in the justice system, especially if that defendant has to means to afford competent counsel.

Your comment on my credibility is undermined by your inability to show anytime your opinion was not partisan in nature.

I can show dozens if not hundreds of examples on this board. Where I spoke out against events and people on the Democratic side.


So forgive me when I say that your opinion on me is the very least of my worries. You're simply not interesting enough, even as a troll, to spend to much time on.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Sure I accept that. Just like I accepted the Durham investigation lasting years and coming back with one guilty plea, and 2 acquittals in a remarkably short time.

That's how it works. A prosecutor, even if that prosecutor acts in bad faith has the hurdle of a trial to overcome. A hurdle that gives considerable advantages to a defendant in the justice system, especially if that defendant has to means to afford competent counsel.

Your comment on my credibility is undermined by your inability to show anytime your opinion was not partisan in nature.

I can show dozens if not hundreds of examples on this board. Where I spoke out against events and people on the Democratic side.


So forgive me when I say that your opinion on me is the very least of my worries. You're simply not interesting enough, even as a troll, to spend to much time on.

You can twist yourself into a pretzel all you want, but you cannot shed your approval of this un-American Stalinist Marxist Leninist BULLSHIT SHOW TRIAL ELECTION INTERFERENCE.
Go FUCK yourself!!!!

 

[Faun]

FAKE NEWS!!!!!
Cohen was jailed for his OWN tax evasion you lying sack of SHIT!!!!

Imbecile... read and learn...

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/182-cohen-plea-deal/9bc6cd47e7c48e9f9469/optimized/full.pdf

COUNT 8
(Excessive Campaign Contribution)

44. On or about October 27, 2016, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, MICHAEL COHEN, the defendant, knowingly and willfully made and caused to be made a contribution to Individual-1, a candidate for Federal office, and his authorized political committee in excess of the limits of the Election Act, which aggregated $25,000 and more in calendar year 2016, and did so by making and causing to be made an expenditure, in cooperation, consultation, and concert with, and at the request and suggestion of one or more members of the campaign, to wit, COHEN made a $130,000 payment to Woman-2 to ensure that she did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.
(Title 52, United States Code, Sections 30116(a) (1) (A), 30116(a) (7), and 30109(d) (1) (A), and Title 18, United States Code, Section 2(b) .)​

 

[frigidweirdo]

Spoiler Alert: ​

Prosecutors' Tortuous Trump Case Is 'Confusing' to Nearly Everyone​

Spoiler Alert: Prosecutors' Tortuous Trump Case Is 'Confusing' to Nearly Everyone

pjmedia.com

23 Apr 2024 ~~ By Victoria Taft

The first witness in Donald Trump's trial for alleged "criminal" bookkeeping errors came with National Enquirer-worthy titillations about what a hot commodity the former president was back in the day. Prosecutors thought they'd burst out of the gate with a little razzle-dazzle and T&A, hoping that jurors would believe the witness had anything to do with the actual charges in the case. This is because — spoiler alert — the prosecutors' actual case is a "confusing" distraction. It's the "Seinfeld" of legal cases.
But since a Manhattan jury will likely convict the former president because Orange Man Bad, here's what happened in court with the opening witness on truncated court sessions Monday and Tuesday.

David Pecker, the former publisher of the National Enquirer, testified that he worked with Trump's lawyer to kill stories that hurt Trump's reputation or would be hurtful to his wife and family. This is the so-called catch-and-kill scheme, wherein sources would approach the Enquirer with an unflattering story about Trump (this applies to Hollywood stars and big shots), offer money to the people telling it, and then make the story disappear.
And it went something like this:

• Pecker reportedly would alert Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, about the titillating story.
• Cohen got three sources to sign a non-disclosure agreement for a sum of money.
• Trump paid his legal bills, which covered Cohen's incurred costs plus more.

All of the above is legal.
~Snip~

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~Snip~
The media have called this case a "hush money" case, but one of our crafty commenters called it the Hush Trump case. Touché. When a judge shuts up the defendant but not the other trial participants, you can't help but wonder if the fix is in. Where else will you read that in this censorious media world that we're living in?


Commentary:
Remembering when The Los Angeles Times “caught and killed” the story of Barack Obama’s banquet speech for Rashid Khalidi, which was on video. I bet that video is more damaging than sex with a stripper and had a bigger impact on the 2008 election than Daniels did in 2016. Nobody was prosecuted. Few even complained. The video is still in the vault.
THAT is not illegal. “Go away” settlements and NDAs are extremely common. The lying whorebag human toilet tried to milk a few dollars more out of him two weeks before the election.
130k to Trump is akin to me flipping a nickel to a bum who is annoying customers coming into my business. It’s a ridiculously small amount she accepted. That amount was offered because her lawyer knew it was so low no sane person would take it to court if they could make it go away for that trivial sum.
Nothing even slightly illegal about it.

The Secret Sources for ‘Bombshell’: Why Ex-Fox News Staffers Broke Their NDAs for Filmmakers

In order to paint a vivid picture of the network's culture, 'Bombshell's' makers spoke to about 20 people with a connection to Fox, including multiple women bound by confidentiality agreements, a task that sent the filmmakers into territory usually left to investigative journalists.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

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4 things you should know about non-disclosure agreements

An NDA is a legal document that protects your business information and trade secrets from vendors, employees, and third parties.

legal.thomsonreuters.com

Do they need to hush anyone else? I literally don't know who anyone else is. But Trump has the biggest mouth on the planet.

 

[wamose]

Only the judge needs 12

Trump only needs 1
If one juror is confused that's all Trump needs

Yeah, but winning will only make it look worse for NY justice. A conviction is not the goal of this trial. This trial is just meant to negatively impact Trump's campaign. It's election interference. MAGA