Spanberger signs bill sending VA electoral votes to winner of popular vote.

[Marener]

You're full of bullshit as usual.

Your link doesn’t say shit about the original intention.

Read the federalist papers.

The Avalon Project : Federalist No 68

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.


This is my favorite part:

The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications

The founders tried to protect us from Trump.

 

[Marener]

The Constitutional End Run continues.

Says the guy who was okay with Trump telling state legislatures to ignore voters and appoint new electors.

Go **** yourself.

 

[the watcher]

When Arizona choses a candidate with 50.1% of the vote or 99% of the vote does not matter. Arizona chose it's candidate as if it were an single entity.....i.e. a state. That the 49.9% of the losers are not represented isn't an issue.

It does matter if the surviving candidate ignores the 49.9% to pursue his own agenda, it matters, and that is what we see today. It is supposed to be managed in Congress by debate, but that train is long gone.

 

[Delldude]

Your link doesn’t say shit about the original intention.

You're a liar.

The Founding Fathers established the Electoral College in the Constitution, in part, as a compromise between the election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens.
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Since the Electoral College process is part of the original design of the U.S. Constitution it would be necessary to pass a Constitutional amendment to change this system.

 

[Marener]

You're a liar.

The Founding Fathers established the Electoral College in the Constitution, in part, as a compromise between the election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens.
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Since the Electoral College process is part of the original design of the U.S. Constitution it would be necessary to pass a Constitutional amendment to change this system.

Read the federalist papers and let me know when you want to admit you’re wrong.

 

[Delldude]

Read the federalist papers and let me know when you want to admit you’re wrong.

Didn't make it into the Constitution did it?

You overlooked the word 'compromise'.

 

[Marener]

Didn't make it into the Constitution did it?

You overlooked the word 'compromise'.

The federalist papers are routinely used as reference to the founder’s intent.

Your little website is not.

 

[Delldude]

The federalist papers are routinely used as reference to the founder’s intent.

Intent and what went into the Constitution are two different things.

Keep ignoring the word 'compromise'.

Your little website is not.

My little website is the National Archives you asshole.

 

[Marener]

Intent and what went into the Constitution are two different things.

Keep ignoring the word 'compromise'.

The word compromise doesn’t show up in the constitution either, so you’re arguing against yourself here.

My little website is the National Archives you asshole.

Was your source written by one of the founding fathers at the time the constituent was being ratified?

Mine was, asshole.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You're full of bullshit as usual.

Electoral College History

How did we get the Electoral College? The Founding Fathers established the Electoral College in the Constitution, in part, as a compromise between the election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens. However, the term...

www.archives.gov

I second that montion.

 

[HikerGuy83]

It does matter if the surviving candidate ignores the 49.9% to pursue his own agenda, it matters, and that is what we see today. It is supposed to be managed in Congress by debate, but that train is long gone.

The bigger issue is that the federal government is way to large and doing way more things that it was intended it do.

And NOT doing a very good job at it.

 

[Delldude]

The word compromise doesn’t show up in the constitution either, so you’re arguing against yourself here.

Never said it was.

Mine was, asshole.

And yours didn't make it into the Constitution either. However it was part of the arguments that became the compromise known as the EC.

Was your source written by one of the founding fathers at the time the constituent was being ratified?

You fail to notice the title of the source is 'History of the Electoral College'?.......

When was the last time you got laid?

 

[Marener]

Never said it was.

And yours didn't make it into the Constitution either. However it was part of the arguments that became the compromise known as the EC.

It was the argument for the electoral college demonstrating why they wanted it.

You fail to notice the title of the source is 'History of the Electoral College'?.......

When was the last time you got laid?

Do you understand the difference of primary versus secondary sources?

 

[22lcidw]

National general elections should have universal rules across ALL States. We can't have rogue States with bullshit convoluted rules of their own as they affect the WHOLE country.
This Spanberger communist ***** has been trying to twist Virginia's electorate into a pretzel to push her Marxist intentions to DESTROY America. These zombies are out of control with this kind of election madness. "Rank-choise" and this crap is an OFFENCE against the Constitution and the American People. There must be push back against this insanity NOW.

To many sell out shills in the Republican Party. We are finished. It is just the amount of time it takes. In consolidation, the red states will end up the last holdouts as the planet succumbs to the endgame tyranny.

 

[Delldude]

It was the argument for the electoral college demonstrating why they wanted it.

Yes as I pointed out. A compromise between differences of views or opinions.

Do you understand the difference of primary versus secondary sources?

Do you understand what a historically accurate article is that discusses how the EC came to be is?

 

[Marener]

Yes as I pointed out. A compromise between differences of views or opinions.

It was a compromise. The solution they went with was to prevent the people from choosing the president because they didn’t trust them.

Do you understand what a historically accurate article is that discusses how the EC came to be is?

Two sentences that don’t say shit are going to somehow outweigh the federalist papers?

You get an F.

 

[Delldude]

It was a compromise.

Thank you for admitting I've been correct all along.

Two sentences that don’t say shit are going to somehow outweigh the federalist papers?

The federalist papers didn't make it into the Constitution did it?

The solution they went with was to prevent the people from choosing the president because they didn’t trust them.

Not true. You're distorting the facts again to attempt to fit your narrative.

One faction wanted Congress to pick the president while another faction wanted the people to pick the president.

They came up with an acceptable compromise called the EC .

This is my favorite part:

LOL

You know federalist 68 is Hamilton's defense of the EC don't you?

You didn't read about Alex's compromise did you?

All these advantages will happily combine in the plan devised by the convention; which is, that the people of each State shall choose a number of persons as electors, equal to the number of senators and representatives of such State in the national government, who shall assemble within the State, and vote for some fit person as President. Their votes, thus given, are to be transmitted to the seat of the national government, and the person who may happen to have a majority of the whole number of votes will be the President. But as a majority of the votes might not always happen to centre in one man, and as it might be unsafe to permit less than a majority to be conclusive, it is provided that, in such a contingency, the House of Representatives shall select out of the candidates who shall have the five highest number of votes, the man who in their opinion may be best qualified for the office.

 

[task0778]

The federalist papers are routinely used as reference to the founder’s intent.

Your little website is not.

Actually, the Federalist Paper #68 was Alexander Hamilton's intent (opinion) and was not universally shared at the time (or since). The Papers were written by Hamilton, Madison, Jefferson and others and differed.

In 1787, delegates at the Constitutional Convention faced the challenge of determining how to elect the President. Large states favored a popular vote, while small states feared domination. The Electoral College emerged as a compromise, giving each state a number of electors equivalent to their congressional representation. In Federalist No. 39, James Madison argued that the Constitution was designed to be a mixture of state-based and population-based government. Congress would have two houses: the state-based Senate and the population-based House of Representatives. Meanwhile, the president would be elected by a mixture of the two modes.

This system balanced the interests of both large and small states while preserving federalism. It ensured that no single majority could impose it's will unchecked, forcing presidential candidates to build broad coalitions appealing to both urban and rural areas.
The idea was that the Electoral College would require presidential candidates to gain widespread support across diverse regions, which prevents heavily populated urban areas from dominating national elections. The aim was to promote national unity and give less populous states a greater influence in the electoral process.

 

[Marener]

Actually, the Federalist Paper #68 was Alexander Hamilton's intent (opinion) and was not universally shared at the time (or since). The Papers were written by Hamilton, Madison, Jefferson and others and differed.

In 1787, delegates at the Constitutional Convention faced the challenge of determining how to elect the President. Large states favored a popular vote, while small states feared domination. The Electoral College emerged as a compromise, giving each state a number of electors equivalent to their congressional representation. In Federalist No. 39, James Madison argued that the Constitution was designed to be a mixture of state-based and population-based government. Congress would have two houses: the state-based Senate and the population-based House of Representatives. Meanwhile, the president would be elected by a mixture of the two modes.

This system balanced the interests of both large and small states while preserving federalism. It ensured that no single majority could impose it's will unchecked, forcing presidential candidates to build broad coalitions appealing to both urban and rural areas.
The idea was that the Electoral College would require presidential candidates to gain widespread support across diverse regions, which prevents heavily populated urban areas from dominating national elections. The aim was to promote national unity and give less populous states a greater influence in the electoral process.

And yet none of this addresses the point.

That the electors chose the president because they didn’t want the people doing it.

 

[Delldude]

And yet none of this addresses the point.

That the electors chose the president because they didn’t want the people doing it.

There were different opinions as how to select the president. You're pushing a false narrative and ignoring the facts of the argument.