Spanberger signs bill sending VA electoral votes to winner of popular vote.

[Marener]

There were different opinions as how to select the president. You're pushing a false narrative and ignoring the facts of the argument.

And the compromise they settled on prevented Americans from choosing the president.

It’s literally the whole purpose of the electors.

 

[martybegan]

There were different opinions as how to select the president. You're pushing a false narrative and ignoring the facts of the argument.

It was given to electors because the Federal Government was supposed to Represent three things.

1. The people via the House of Representatives
2. The States via the election of Senators via the State Governments
3. A population weighted majority of the States via the Presidency.

I still think we should go back to Senators representing the States directly.

And if people want to go to directly voting for President, Amend the Constitution.

 

[the watcher]

Any system is bound to be played by politicians. The best you can hope for is to keep it to a minimum and as least as corrosive as possible. If the feds have a role at all it is to maintain a well-maintained voter roll that is accurate and cross referenced with the states. The other possible role would be to monitor election results in a fair and honest role, as the states can no longer be trusted to verify their own elections apparently. The Supreme Court is too fucked up to approach this. Can or will the feds do it responsibly? I have my doubts.

 

[Delldude]

And the compromise they settled on prevented Americans from choosing the president.

It’s literally the whole purpose of the electors.

Not so.
One view wanted Congress to choose and that was viewed as congressman could be compromised toward a candidate, the other view favored popular vote which gave big cities more voice that other less populated states.

And it became a compromise.

What Spanberger is doing violates the EC.

It's all in your source.

 

[Marener]

It was given to electors because the Federal Government was supposed to Represent three things.

1. The people via the House of Representatives
2. The States via the election of Senators via the State Governments
3. A population weighted majority of the States via the Presidency.

I still think we should go back to Senators representing the States directly.

And if people want to go to directly voting for President, Amend the Constitution.

And since you can gerrymander state legislatures to ensure one party control, that means you can make sure that state senators are controlled even if your party loses majority support.

All you assholes do is dream of ways to maintain political power without popular support.

 

[Marener]

Not so.
One view wanted Congress to choose and that was viewed as congressman could be compromised toward a candidate, the other view favored popular vote which gave big cities more voice that other less populated states.

And it became a compromise.

What Spanberger is doing violates the EC.

It's all in your source.

If the founders wanted the winner of electoral votes to be decided by the state popular vote, they could have made it that way.

Instead the established the electors knowing full well that these people were supposed to exercise their own judgment.

 

[martybegan]

And since you can gerrymander state legislatures to ensure one party control, that means you can make sure that state senators are controlled even if your party loses majority support.

All you assholes do is dream of ways to maintain political power without popular support.

Works both ways.

 

[Delldude]

All you assholes do is dream of ways to maintain political power without popular support.

That's funny as hell.

 

[Delldude]

If the founders wanted the winner of electoral votes to be decided by the state popular vote, they could have made it that way.

I can't believe you said that.

That's how it works today.

 

[Marener]

Works both ways.

You can’t gerrymander senators now.

The concept of individual states is an antiquated idea without a purpose anymore other than using it to exploit for political power.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The electoral college makes the election way more susceptible to voter fraud.

It takes a small number of fraudulent votes in a small number of swing states to change the outcome.

Whereas the national popular vote almost always has a margin of millions.

California dems have an incentive to add a million fraudulent votes under the NPV scenario that
they don't currently have.

 

[Marener]

California dems have an incentive to add a million fraudulent votes under the NPV scenario that
they don't currently have.

Millions of fraudulent votes are far more obvious than thousands.

 

[EMH]

Well, there it is. Virginia could vote for a candidate 100% and still award the other candidate its EC votes to the other one with the most popular votes. Throw in some 6-month vote window, mail in papers, voting assistance and you have a real program going down. Vote shading and handling and misrepresenting the count so it could be sold as a "landslide". Of course, a "landslide" converts into "mandate" to enable more bullshit in the name of the People. Your vote still counts, just not how you think it does. MSN

Spanberger's real duty at CIA while working there: stealing elections for "her people"....

Once she "left" CIA she became the MSNBC mouthpiece of Crossfire Hurricane, and MSNBC's #1 most frequent guest, kinda odd for a first term congresswoman....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The 2020 election was won by 537 votes in Florida. That’s it. A minuscule amount of voter fraud could have flipped that election.

Whereas the national popular vote was won by a margin of half a million. It would have literally taken 1000x times more voter fraud to flip the national popular vote.

If we had the national popular vote in 2020, we never would have had an argument about Florida. A few thousand votes wouldn’t have made any difference.

The 2020 election was won by 537 votes in Florida. That’s it. A minuscule amount of voter fraud could have flipped that election.

Did Gore know how many fraudulent votes he'd need in Florida before the election?

If we had the national popular vote in 2020, we never would have had an argument about Florida. A few thousand votes wouldn’t have made any difference.

Exactly! Dems would have manufactured hundreds of thousands of votes in every single area they control.
Could have been 5 or 10 million when they were done.

 

[d0gbreath]

We're sleepwalking into servitude.

We're all born into it. Conformed and indoctrinated into it. It's what we do.

 

[Rawley]

I'm a bit confused. What is objectionable here to you?

Because it seems you are somehow trying to claim the people's vote is important just not when that vote goes by the person who actually got the most votes.

It means that, if the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact was in place in 2024, even though Harris spanked Trump in VA, all of it's electoral votes would have gone to Trump.

MSN

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We've gotten away from a fundamental view of voting.

Voting should be recognized as a method of determining the will of the people, not a method to be manipulated to retain political power.

WW

The Rulers' Constitution Takes away the Citizens' Self-Determination

Will of the people to pick a personality candy-date to do all their real voting for them, which is on the individual issues? This elitist scheme of representation is like an orphan child getting to choose his new parents, but then having to absolutely obey everything they think is best for him.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

United States Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 3:
"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."

So how does the State Legislature passing a law (then signed by the Governor) directing that EC votes be allocated based on the national popular vote violate the Constitution?

It's right there in the Constitution, they (the State) gets to select the method, they could choose:

• National Popular Vote as the method,
• State wide popular vote as the method (winner take all),
• District specific representing the each House Seat with 2 for the overall state representing the Senate (proportional allocation),
• They could choose NOT to have a vote at all and the Legislature directly appoint EC electors,
• They could choose to have round-robin elimination tournaments of tiddly-winks to choose the elector if they want.

WW

You've upset the Constitution-banging huffy-puffy blowhards drumming democracy to death, and you've cruelly rejected their pushy propaganda about 18th Century divinely inspired political wisdom.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Nobody is claiming it’s going to change the next election.

Just pointing out it’s one more step towards national popular vote.

Which Neither Gore, Hillary, Nor Trump Got 50% Of

The mistaken meme that they all won the popular vote is the real meaning of "factoid"—something false that is commonly accepted as true. But the Netrix obeys the bipartisan media's Low-IQ Language Lords, who tell them it means "a trivial fact." Ironically, defining the word that way is itself a factoid.

 

[22lcidw]

If you keep a fiat currency eliminate the Federal Reserve, the Federal Reserve Note and institute the United States Note with management that answers to the people.