South America builds stronger bonds with China.Is this a trump win?

[gipper]

My wife is from Peru. Her father was a master machinist who worked for an American mining company. Her father and his Peruvian buddies really enjoyed working for that company and said the Americans ran a tight ship, with great pay and good benefits. Some years after he retired China bought out the American mining company along with many other factories in industries in Peru. And according to my father-in-law those places absolutely suck to work for now. I don't know about the Peruvian leaders but I do know that the average Peruvian person would love to see China pull the f**k out of there, as they feel Chinese influence has brought down their quality of life. And just like we have Democrats here who are eager to sell our country out to the Chinese they have political factions there that do the same thing. Those are probably the ones touring China right now.

Do you think this disputes my posts?

 

[BothWings]

LoL! Obviously you think it does or you wouldn't have responded with that passive aggressive little snippet.

 

[gipper]

LoL! Obviously you think it does or you wouldn't have responded with that passive aggressive little snippet.

Lol. Not aggressive at all. Simple question.

 

[BothWings]

I already wrote what I think about the topic. If you think this disputes what you think and you want to debate, have at it. I'm not going to answer your passive aggressive questions which aim to put me on the defensive.

 

[gipper]

I already wrote what I think about the topic. If you think this disputes what you think and you want to debate, have at it. I'm not going to answer your passive aggressive questions which aim to put me on the defensive.

Whatever.

 

[BothWings]

Whatever.

Oh, so you chickened out of your own little passive-aggressive game because you couldn't spin it the way you wanted it. Got it. LMFAO!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Oh, so you chickened out of your own little passive-aggressive game because you couldn't spin it the way you wanted it. Got it. LMFAO!

Your anecdotal story doesnt invalidate what Gipper said. The US has been a negative influence on Latin America. That isnt a controversial view.

 

[BothWings]

I wasn't trying to negate that fact. I probably know more about it than both of you combined as I have BEEN there over 20 times in the past 18 years, am intimately involved with a Latin family, and have seen first hand and heard straight from the mouths of real South Americans what goes on there. It's a shame if real experience is merely "anecdotal" to you. But the fact of the matter is the Chinese influence has been the most detrimental as of late, and the average natives clearly prefer our touch over theirs. The rise of socialism in Venezuela resulted in good American employers (such as Heinz) leaving, and what they got in return was Chavez's regime. Hugo Chavez drew directly on China as a role model for his regime in his his first year in office. Read about it. Just a few years later, neighboring countries were suffering from the fallout of the collapse of that regime which includes illegal immigration and crime on an alarming scale, including a massive increase in human trafficking. There are particular countries, Chile especially, which have been favored by American corporations. This also affects neighboring economies who have NOT had so much American corporate influence, and they can't compete with Americanized Chile. It gets dirty. American fishing companies in Chile were sending their Chilean fishermen into Peruvian waters to take Peruvian fish. And many corporations in Peru are actually Chilean and backed by American dollars. This is destroying Peru's economic autonomy although recent things have happened there to push back on it. I have been in Peru on election day TWICE. I hear what the people say and have also seen the changes in that place first hand. I didn't have to read about it in some leftist paper like you did. So see, I know quite a bit about both sides of this track. My family is mingling with Latin America goes way back to the early 20th century when that great grandfather was a coffee buyer for the Atlantic-Pacific tea company. He was a real honcho and was invited by the owners of a coffee plantation in South America to move in with them and marry into their family at one point. That didn't happen, but my great-grandfather brought back a wealth of experience from his mingling with those people which was eventually shared with the whole family. I also had an uncle who spent three years working on fishing boats in Mexico in the 60s. I have sort of become an heir to that legacy myself, as I am now considering trying to open business opportunities in Peru, beneficial to all parties involved. If and when that finally happens, you can rest assured that I will be trying to serve lower middle class families like the one that I married into from Peru, not so much rich American businessman back in the States trying to turn the highest profit possible at those people's expense..... although I will certainly have to learn to negotiate with them.

Gipper's original post is loose and unidimensional, and obviously tries to make it seem as though these Latin-American countries are going to China because the US is being so bad to them. There are farms in Peru which export to countries like the US and make an absolute killing on their crops doing so. Meanwhile none of that produce actually makes it into the mouths of Peruvian people at the prices they ought to be. I just came back from Peru two months ago. Already a local asparagus farm on the outskirts of my wife's hometown is getting ready to redirect its surplus as a result of the tariffs into the Peruvian markets. This is good for Peru, no? Well my guess is you haven't spent that much time there gaining anecdotal experience of your own like I have, so you wouldn't realize this from the filtered liberal sources Tommy reads. It may not be good for the corporate owners, they may have to step down from a BMW to a Honda now, but now they will be forced to serve the Peruvian people instead of greedy entitled Americans. Things Trump is doing is causing a lot of lines to shift on the map. It's a shake up and everyone will feel it. And as a result corporate owners will be forced to step down a bit in status while the lower class workers will be allowed to step up a little when surpluses in their own countries force prices down there. Just like this will gradually for us American corporations to set up closer to home, it will force barn production to focus their marketing closer to home as well.

It's just that when I hear people like Gipper trying to sound so smart it really sets me off knowing what I know first hand. And I really love how people like you dismiss my family's more than century old direct experience with Latin American as"anecdotal", while reading second hand, biased, filtered journalism on the topic and acting like youre experts on it. Ive met a good number of lower middle class people in Peru, Columbia and Panama who would like to tell you right where it's at.

 

[BothWings]

Your anecdotal story doesnt invalidate what Gipper said. The US has been a negative influence on Latin America. That isnt a controversial view.

I wasn't trying to negate that fact. I probably know more about it than both of you combined as I have BEEN there over 20 times in the past 18 years, am intimately involved with a Latin family, and have seen first hand and heard straight from the mouths of real South Americans what goes on there. It's a shame if real experience is merely "anecdotal" to you. But the fact of the matter is the Chinese influence has been the most detrimental as of late, and the average natives clearly prefer our touch over theirs. The rise of socialism in Venezuela resulted in good American employers (such as Heinz) leaving, and what they got in return was Chavez's regime. Hugo Chavez drew directly on China as a role model for his regime in his his first year in office. Read about it. Just a few years later, neighboring countries were suffering from the fallout of the collapse of that regime which includes illegal immigration and crime on an alarming scale, including a massive increase in human trafficking. There are particular countries, Chile especially, which have been favored by American corporations. This also affects neighboring economies who have NOT had so much American corporate influence, and they can't compete with Americanized Chile. It gets dirty. American fishing companies in Chile were sending their Chilean fishermen into Peruvian waters to take Peruvian fish. And many corporations in Peru are actually Chilean and backed by American dollars. This is destroying Peru's economic autonomy although recent things have happened there to push back on it. I have been in Peru on election day TWICE. I hear what the people say and have also seen the changes in that place first hand. I didn't have to read about it in some leftist paper like you did. So see, I know quite a bit about both sides of this track. My family is mingling with Latin America goes way back to the early 20th century when that great grandfather was a coffee buyer for the Atlantic-Pacific tea company. He was a real honcho and was invited by the owners of a coffee plantation in South America to move in with them and marry into their family at one point. That didn't happen, but my great-grandfather brought back a wealth of experience from his mingling with those people which was eventually shared with the whole family. I also had an uncle who spent three years working on fishing boats in Mexico in the 60s. I have sort of become an heir to that legacy myself, as I am now considering trying to open business opportunities in Peru, beneficial to all parties involved. If and when that finally happens, you can rest assured that I will be trying to serve lower middle class families like the one that I married into from Peru, not so much rich American businessman back in the States trying to turn the highest profit possible at those people's expense..... although I will certainly have to learn to negotiate with them.

Gipper's original post is loose and unidimensional, and obviously tries to make it seem as though these Latin-American countries are going to China because the US is being so bad to them. There are farms in Peru which export to countries like the US and make an absolute killing on their crops doing so. Meanwhile none of that produce actually makes it into the mouths of Peruvian people at the prices they ought to be. I just came back from Peru two months ago. Already a local asparagus farm on the outskirts of my wife's hometown is getting ready to redirect its surplus as a result of the tariffs into the Peruvian markets. This is good for Peru, no? Well my guess is you haven't spent that much time there gaining anecdotal experience of your own like I have, so you wouldn't realize this from the filtered liberal sources you guys read. It may not be good for the corporate owners, they may have to step down from a BMW to a Honda now, but now they will be forced to serve the Peruvian people instead of greedy entitled Americans. Things Trump is doing is causing a lot of lines to shift on the map. It's a shake up and everyone will feel it. And as a result corporate owners will be forced to step down a bit in status while the lower class workers will be allowed to step up a little when surpluses in their own countries force prices down there. Just like this will gradually for us American corporations to set up closer to home, it will force foreign production to focus their marketing closer to home as well.

It's just that when I hear people like Gipper trying to sound so smart it really sets me off knowing what I know first hand. And I really love how people like you dismiss my family's more than century old direct experience with Latin American as"anecdotal", while reading second hand, biased, filtered journalism on the topic and acting like youre experts on it. Ive met a good number of lower middle class people in Peru, Columbia and Panama who would like to tell you right where it's at.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I wasn't trying to negate that fact. I probably know more about it than both of you combined as I have BEEN there over 20 times in the past 18 years, am intimately involved with a Latin family, and have seen first hand and heard straight from the mouths of real South Americans what goes on there. It's a shame if real experience is merely "anecdotal" to you. But the fact of the matter is the Chinese influence has been the most detrimental as of late, and the average natives clearly prefer our touch over theirs. The rise of socialism in Venezuela resulted in good American employers (such as Heinz) leaving, and what they got in return was Chavez's regime. Hugo Chavez drew directly on China as a role model for his regime in his his first year in office. Read about it. Just a few years later, neighboring countries were suffering from the fallout of the collapse of that regime which includes illegal immigration and crime on an alarming scale, including a massive increase in human trafficking. There are particular countries, Chile especially, which have been favored by American corporations. This also affects neighboring economies who have NOT had so much American corporate influence, and they can't compete with Americanized Chile. It gets dirty. American fishing companies in Chile were sending their Chilean fishermen into Peruvian waters to take Peruvian fish. And many corporations in Peru are actually Chilean and backed by American dollars. This is destroying Peru's economic autonomy although recent things have happened there to push back on it. I have been in Peru on election day TWICE. I hear what the people say and have also seen the changes in that place first hand. I didn't have to read about it in some leftist paper like you did. So see, I know quite a bit about both sides of this track. My family is mingling with Latin America goes way back to the early 20th century when that great grandfather was a coffee buyer for the Atlantic-Pacific tea company. He was a real honcho and was invited by the owners of a coffee plantation in South America to move in with them and marry into their family at one point. That didn't happen, but my great-grandfather brought back a wealth of experience from his mingling with those people which was eventually shared with the whole family. I also had an uncle who spent three years working on fishing boats in Mexico in the 60s. I have sort of become an heir to that legacy myself, as I am now considering trying to open business opportunities in Peru, beneficial to all parties involved. If and when that finally happens, you can rest assured that I will be trying to serve lower middle class families like the one that I married into from Peru, not so much rich American businessman back in the States trying to turn the highest profit possible at those people's expense..... although I will certainly have to learn to negotiate with them.

Gipper's original post is loose and unidimensional, and obviously tries to make it seem as though these Latin-American countries are going to China because the US is being so bad to them. There are farms in Peru which export to countries like the US and make an absolute killing on their crops doing so. Meanwhile none of that produce actually makes it into the mouths of Peruvian people at the prices they ought to be. I just came back from Peru two months ago. Already a local asparagus farm on the outskirts of my wife's hometown is getting ready to redirect its surplus as a result of the tariffs into the Peruvian markets. This is good for Peru, no? Well my guess is you haven't spent that much time there gaining anecdotal experience of your own like I have, so you wouldn't realize this from the filtered liberal sources you guys read. It may not be good for the corporate owners, they may have to step down from a BMW to a Honda now, but now they will be forced to serve the Peruvian people instead of greedy entitled Americans. Things Trump is doing is causing a lot of lines to shift on the map. It's a shake up and everyone will feel it. And as a result corporate owners will be forced to step down a bit in status while the lower class workers will be allowed to step up a little when surpluses in their own countries force prices down there. Just like this will gradually for us American corporations to set up closer to home, it will force foreign production to focus their marketing closer to home as well.

It's just that when I hear people like Gipper trying to sound so smart it really sets me off knowing what I know first hand. And I really love how people like you dismiss my family's more than century old direct experience with Latin American as"anecdotal", while reading second hand, biased, filtered journalism on the topic and acting like youre experts on it. Ive met a good number of lower middle class people in Peru, Columbia and Panama who would like to tell you right where it's at.

You can be anyone you like on the net.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Brazil’s president seeks ‘indestructible’ links with China amid Trump trade war

Remark comes as Brazil, Colombia and Chile’s leaders fly to Beijing amid international uncertainty generated by Trump

www.theguardian.com

China is giving their leaders a tour of the Great Wall while trump is levying tariffs on these poor nations.

Who could have predicted that maga hostility would have driven these guys into a celestial embrace ?

But remember that Latin America is short on natural assets and strategically unimportant. Its just some place south of the Gulf of America.

In other words ... two losers are better than one.

 

[BothWings]

You can be anyone you like on the net.

You can also pretend that people on the net are making shit up or simply have unreliable sources when you don't like what they say.

 

[Meathead]

But remember that Latin America is short on natural assets and strategically unimportant. Its just some place south of the Gulf of America.

Coffee and cocaine. Can't think of anything else except for astronomical crime rates.

 

[justoffal]

Not a defense of Trump, but when Xi decides that the South China Sea extends all the way to Easter Island, they will regret jumping into bed with him.

What kind of flood them with rubber dog shit.

 

[justoffal]

Coffee and cocaine. Can't think of anything else except for astronomical crime rates.

And now ..rubber dog shit!

 

[justoffal]

Brazil’s president seeks ‘indestructible’ links with China amid Trump trade war

Remark comes as Brazil, Colombia and Chile’s leaders fly to Beijing amid international uncertainty generated by Trump

www.theguardian.com

China is giving their leaders a tour of the Great Wall while trump is levying tariffs on these poor nations.

Who could have predicted that maga hostility would have driven these guys into a celestial embrace ?

But remember that Latin America is short on natural assets and strategically unimportant. Its just some place south of the Gulf of America.

That's right... give the chickens the tour of the barn just before you cook them.

 

[Mashmont]

Brazil’s president seeks ‘indestructible’ links with China amid Trump trade war

Remark comes as Brazil, Colombia and Chile’s leaders fly to Beijing amid international uncertainty generated by Trump

www.theguardian.com

China is giving their leaders a tour of the Great Wall while trump is levying tariffs on these poor nations.

Who could have predicted that maga hostility would have driven these guys into a celestial embrace ?

But remember that Latin America is short on natural assets and strategically unimportant. Its just some place south of the Gulf of America.

But... your UK caved to this great man, so there's that.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

But... your UK caved to this great man, so there's that.

The UK would cave to Mordor the country is in such a state. Menwhile China is kicking your arse as your economy folds.

 

[justoffal]

The UK would cave to Mordor the country is in such a state. Menwhile China is kicking your arse as your economy folds.

Where exactly is it folding? I still haven't seen the fruition of any of these Doom and gloom predictions yet. In the meantime eggs have dropped again.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Where exactly is it folding? I still haven't seen the fruition of any of these Doom and gloom predictions yet. In the meantime eggs have dropped again.

Trumps tariff war has ended in defeat. China won.