Sorry GOP - Inflation stabilizing, deflation starting

From the article YOU linked:

It’s not clear how severe a recession we’re going to get.

Right. So there WILL be a recession--we're just not sure how severe. And we knew this, and voters know just who to blame. But in your fevered imagination, the slightest downturn in the economy that Biden shipwrecked will send Americans voting for Democrats in droves.

Yeah okay

The recession was going to happen no matter who won in 2020. The US has averaged a recession every 7 years since the end of the Great Depression. These are not glitches, these are built into our system.

Now, the real debate will be over how much worse Biden's actions will make the recession.
 
Face it... Dems are well and truly screwed in November 2022...

And if (a) the Pubs run anybody BUT the Orange Kool-Aid Kon-Man and (b) the Dems run Sleepy Old Joe again, the same is going to hold true for 2024.

Or, people will realize what they did in 2012 and 1996. The Democrats might not be perfect, but the Republicans are crazy!
 
I am sure that you believe refinery capacity is determined by democrats. I mean SERIOUSly, if you can't find anything else to bitch about with Biden, you need to seek new news sources. LOL


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It is what it is.

It's your ilk's anti-fossil fuel policies are preventing new refineries from being built. It takes at least five years to build a refinery. That and who in their right mind would invest in such a project in the current political climate?

Estimated Cost of Building a Crude Oil Refinery in 2022.

Oh well maybe with the EPA's dick being slapped 6-3 yesterday things will turn around by and by in that regard but that does not help us now nor will it help your ilk three months from now.

Hell just the litigation involved in killing the fiat rules put in place by the regulatory agencies will take years.
 
The recession was going to happen no matter who won in 2020. The US has averaged a recession every 7 years since the end of the Great Depression. These are not glitches, these are built into our system.

Now, the real debate will be over how much worse Biden's actions will make the recession.

Did we suddenly retroactively decide that 2020 wasn't a recession?

The real problem, as stated, is that if unemployment doesn't really go up, is it a recession even if GDP contracts? One of the main drivers of this inflation is that we have a labor shortage. Boomers are retiring, there aren't enough millennials to replace them and they have shitty work attitudes, and America has been a lot less welcoming to immigrant labor.
 
Did we suddenly retroactively decide that 2020 wasn't a recession?

It was a mini-recession that lasted 2 months. So, no I really do not count that one as it was not a product of our system.
 
It is what it is.

It's your ilk's anti-fossil fuel policies are preventing new refineries from being built. It takes at least five years to build a refinery. That and who in their right mind would invest in such a project in the current political climate?

Estimated Cost of Building a Crude Oil Refinery in 2022.

Oh well maybe with the EPA's dick being slapped 6-3 yesterday things will turn around by and by in that regard but that does not help us now nor will it help your ilk three months from now.

Hell just the litigation involved in killing the fiat rules put in place by the regulatory agencies will take years.

Your side just turned half the population into unwilling breeding machines. When that starts to sink in, you are going to find that November isn't going to be as fun for you as you thought.

I don't see people rushing out to turn their gas guzzling SUV's in for fuel efficient cars.. that's why I don't take all this caterwauling about gas prices seriously. Fuel costs are still only 3% of a household budget.
 
The real problem, as stated, is that if unemployment doesn't really go up, is it a recession even if GDP contracts? One of the main drivers of this inflation is that we have a labor shortage. Boomers are retiring, there aren't enough millennials to replace them and they have shitty work attitudes, and America has been a lot less welcoming to immigrant labor.

It will be interesting to see what happens with that. Losing a job is always the biggest fear/danger of a recession and that could be less of a problem this time around. If it is, then the recession will be more like the early 2000s recession.
 
It was a mini-recession that lasted 2 months. So, no I really do not count that one as it was not a product of our system.

65 million people got displaced from their jobs... I'd call it one.

that’s silly…republicans do everything to avoid recessions…that’s why we don’t vote dembot

Yet, Republicans brought us Recessions in 2020, 2008, 2001, 1990, and 1981. The last time a Democrat had a recession was Jimmy Carter. Before Carter, Republicans brought us recessions in 1975, 1969, 1960, 1957 and 1954.
 
Inflation is stabilizing and many indicators suggests we may actually see disinflation. I see it daily in my business. For those of you who believe in a free market capitalist economy this is how it works. Supply has increased with pandemic disruptions mostly behind us and higher prices from greedy corporations has driven demand lower. We are about to see a pricing pullback. Buckle up. Likely lead to a clean democratic sweep this fall of prices moderate.

  1. Falling freight rates
  2. Falling commodity prices - worst quarter since Great Recession
  3. Easing rents
  4. Cheaper GPUs
  5. Rising retail inventories


For over a year now, we’ve seen inflation rise relentlessly. Price rises have lowered real wages for most workers, driven popular anger, and threatened economic stability. But there are finally indications that the tide is turning. In March, financial markets were predicting an annualized inflation rate of around 3.5% over the next five years; now, that number is down to 2.6%.


And expectations for inflation over the following five years, which had spiked up during the initial phase of the Ukraine war, have plunged back toward the Fed’s official 2% inflation target:


So markets think prices are going to cool down. That’s good in and of itself, because it means we’re in less danger of the sort of expectations-driven spiral that can lead to truly devastating hyperinflation. Markets have not yet lost confidence in the Fed. But this doesn’t mean we’re out of the woods, since markets are actually pretty bad at predicting future inflation.
I dunno. The comment by Powell when they up rates .75 that they were trying to kill expectation of costs without killing demand ... or something like that.

Even if supply chains unsnarl, we had four years of Trump trying end trade with china, and US WORKERS HAVE NOT COME BACK TO WORK. And the progs want to pay people to stay home. And they're still trying to revive BBB. Trump and Biden both echo the economics of the 1980 UnitedFuckingAutoWorkers

Russia's war will continue for at least a year. And even then, Russia's oil is still in the global supply; it's just being sold to china and india at "discount" which is still more than pre-pandemic. Food will continue to cost more, and that's been predicted for ten years or more, since we grow most of what we consume, I guess the US will get a bit of a break. But workers are STILL not coming back despite higher wages. WE have something like two openings for each worker wanting a job, and Trump killed legal immigration, and Biden is consumed with people seeking asylum rather than a job.

If a year from now we have 4% inflation it will only prove God takes care of idiots and Irishmen
 
It will be interesting to see what happens with that. Losing a job is always the biggest fear/danger of a recession and that could be less of a problem this time around. If it is, then the recession will be more like the early 2000s recession.

Again, the problem in 2000 was that a lot of companies that felt they were overpaying the wage slaves through the good times in the 1990's laid people off to turn around and hire cheaper help.

My distrust of the Investor Class is that those bastards WOULD try to do that if they thought they could get away with it. But again, we are in uncharted territory here with labor shortages baked into the pie. Finding quality help has been a struggle, and a lot of workers are still wary because of the bad behavior of employers during Covid.

I liken Covid to a Zombie movie. When the Zombies attack, you always find out who the assholes are.
 
Inflation is stabilizing and many indicators suggests we may actually see disinflation. I see it daily in my business. For those of you who believe in a free market capitalist economy this is how it works. Supply has increased with pandemic disruptions mostly behind us and higher prices from greedy corporations has driven demand lower. We are about to see a pricing pullback. Buckle up. Likely lead to a clean democratic sweep this fall of prices moderate.

  1. Falling freight rates
  2. Falling commodity prices - worst quarter since Great Recession
  3. Easing rents
  4. Cheaper GPUs
  5. Rising retail inventories


For over a year now, we’ve seen inflation rise relentlessly. Price rises have lowered real wages for most workers, driven popular anger, and threatened economic stability. But there are finally indications that the tide is turning. In March, financial markets were predicting an annualized inflation rate of around 3.5% over the next five years; now, that number is down to 2.6%.


And expectations for inflation over the following five years, which had spiked up during the initial phase of the Ukraine war, have plunged back toward the Fed’s official 2% inflation target:


So markets think prices are going to cool down. That’s good in and of itself, because it means we’re in less danger of the sort of expectations-driven spiral that can lead to truly devastating hyperinflation. Markets have not yet lost confidence in the Fed. But this doesn’t mean we’re out of the woods, since markets are actually pretty bad at predicting future inflation.
/-----/ Joe gives your post a round of applause.
 
Not unusual. We've taken a real beating over the last three years.

Same problem in 2010 and 1994... Democrats were fixing things, but people still had a bad taste in their mouths from how badly Republicans fucked things up.
Well Trump fucked up the labor supply .... before the pandemic. He wanted imports more expensive and fewer US workers.

And at the heart of it, the Fed thought labor would bounce back post-pandemic, and it didn't. Plenty of blame to go around there. And oil went up faster than anyone thought ... but surely someone had to know.
 
65 million people got displaced from their jobs... I'd call it one.



Yet, Republicans brought us Recessions in 2020, 2008, 2001, 1990, and 1981. The last time a Democrat had a recession was Jimmy Carter. Before Carter, Republicans brought us recessions in 1975, 1969, 1960, 1957 and 1954.
clinton, obama, xiden all gave us recession
 
The recession was going to happen no matter who won in 2020. The US has averaged a recession every 7 years since the end of the Great Depression. These are not glitches, these are built into our system.

Now, the real debate will be over how much worse Biden's actions will make the recession.

One has to be delusional, or unimaginably ignorant, not to see the connection between the recent policies of the Democraps, and the disastrous effects that they are having on the economy.
 
I am sure that you believe refinery capacity is determined by democrats. I mean SERIOUSly, if you can't find anything else to bitch about with Biden, you need to seek new news sources. LOL


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/----/ Not only do we believe it, but so does Dementia Joe.
https://dailycaller.com › 2022 › 06 › 29 › bidens-epa-americas-biggest-oil-field-crosshairs-texas-greg-abbott

Biden's EPA Has America's Biggest Oil Field In Its Regulatory ...

2 days ago The proposed regulations take aim at the Permian Basin, the largest oil field in the United States, accounting for 95,000,000 gallons of gasoline per day or 40% of the oil produced domestically, according to the Texas Governor's Office. The move comes amid record gas prices and ongoing energy insecurity for many Americans.
 
One has to be delusional, or unimaginably ignorant, not to see the connection between the recent policies of the Democraps, and the disastrous effects that they are having on the economy.

wow, if only I had posted something like .....Now, the real debate will be over how much worse Biden's actions will make the recession.

OH wait, I did.
 
Yes, we are all getting a very vivid demonstration of how Democraps “fix things”.

Mormon Bob, I'd LOVE to have my life from 2016 back. I'd love to have my life from 2000 back.

I'm actually kind of living my best life now, though. Never made as much money as I am now, never lived in a nicer place.

Well Trump fucked up the labor supply .... before the pandemic. He wanted imports more expensive and fewer US workers.

And at the heart of it, the Fed thought labor would bounce back post-pandemic, and it didn't. Plenty of blame to go around there. And oil went up faster than anyone thought ... but surely someone had to know.

Good points, all.

I think what you saw with Covid (aka Trump Plague) is a shift in the economy. Services declined. Goods increased.

A lot of people realized that it was better to have one parent stay at home rather than work for a job where your salary barely covered child care. Especially if the parent who kept working saw a raise for staying at work.
 

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