BluePhantom
Educator (of liberals)
Interesting, I see arguments like this all the time, but if Muslims had taken over, and you were Muslim because of that, you would be happy, you would believe as they do, you would think christianity to be a perversion of your laws.Survey: One in five Americans has no religion
By Dan Merica
Washington – The fastest growing "religious" group in America is made up of people with no religion at all, according to a Pew survey showing that one in five Americans is not affiliated with any religion.
The number of these Americans has grown by 25% just in the past five years, according to a survey released Tuesday by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
The survey found that the ranks of the unaffiliated are growing even faster among younger Americans.
Thirty-three million Americans now have no religious affiliation, with 13 million in that group identifying as either atheist or agnostic, according to the new survey.
Pew found that those who are religiously unaffiliated are strikingly less religious than the public at large. They attend church infrequently, if at all, are largely not seeking out religion and say that the lack of it in their lives is of little importance.
Always assuming that history progresses linearly, and not cyclically is foolish. There have been periods of religious torpor and fervor that alternate for centuries now.
LOL...like the Crusades, the Inquisitions, Witch hunts, beheadings, wars etc. The Church is/was a man made thing to benefit the few and screw the masses....end of story!
The crusades were a response to Islamic aggression in Europe. Had they not occured the whole world would probably be muslim by force. What exactly was bad about stopping that?
It's all context, and while you may believe in free will, how is a person choosing if he is born Muslim, or Christian? It is a no win dilemma that the religious ignore, and why the biblical accounts killed people of other religions. People do not like change, and if they were fed it from youth, only in rare circumstances do they ever convert to another religion, they will maintain their root views until they die.
So you view Muslims wrong and think you hold the higher ground because you "know" you are "right".
They look at you with the same context.
I contend that both your views are wrong, because it relies on ignorance and acceptance, without thought or understanding, you both agree, to fit in and find views that only agree with the premise of which you were led to believe. You do not really know why you believe the way you both do, but you both know it has to be right because that is all you ever knew.
And yes I know that the lds wait until a "child" is of age to accept the gospel. But that is a form of bullying. You have a child, 8 years old I believe, and they have to go in front of their peers and community leaders and say that they believe and get baptized, I admit it sounds good wait until they can "decide". But what that is doing is making it a significant and powerful experience for the child when he accepts. As if he or she would decline in front of their parents and peers. And it leads them to believe they are actually deciding, when it is the power of pressure that they feel the power of an audience that they look up to. It is wrong but it stays with the child and is a huge impact in his or her life. Because of the forced acceptance that is relayed as their agreement. It is bullying plain and simple. To fit in.
An interesting perspective but I would point out a few things.
1) Sticking with your roots is hardly a religious thing. People do that with tons of stuff. Most people, for example, choose their political party based upon what their parents were. Most racists were raised in a racist environment. So holding views and attitudes from your upbringing isn't characteristic of religion, it's characteristic of being human.
2) While I would agree that most people don't have a clue about what their own religion is all about, I disagree that theists "know they are right". I know VERY few Christians who claim to know they are right and most of them are posters on these boards who represent a pretty extreme element of the Christian faith. Most people I come into contact, myself included, don't profess to "know the truth" so to speak. .Most say "here is what I believe" and that's it. Personally, my beliefs are radically different from what I was taught as a child, and while they represent my...oh...."best guess as to the nature of God" I suppose, I could be, and probably am, totally wrong. I strongly doubt that any religion has it right on the nose. So I think you don't leave nearly enough room for those who do have an advanced faith that is based upon honest reflection, thought, education, and communicating with their core values. I agree that they are the minority, but there are more than you might think.