Something Is Wrong, and It’s Not the Universe

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You are thinking in 2D, but you need to be thinking in 4D
You are thinking in 3D. And there is no "direction of explosion" in our 3 spatial dimensions.
You think there’s only 3 dimensions. :21:
No, and that's not relevant to this discussion regarding movement of objects relative to the nonexistent "blast direction" of the Big Bang.
Hilarious. Quantum Fluctuations just concerns 3 Dimensions. Good one!
 
You are thinking in 2D, but you need to be thinking in 4D
You are thinking in 3D. And there is no "direction of explosion" in our 3 spatial dimensions.
You think there’s only 3 dimensions. :21:
No, and that's not relevant to this discussion regarding movement of objects relative to the nonexistent "blast direction" of the Big Bang.
Hilarious. Quantum Fluctuations just concerns 3 Dimensions. Good one!

Not what I said.

In this context, we are talking about proper motion in three spatial dimensions.
 
You are thinking in 2D, but you need to be thinking in 4D
You are thinking in 3D. And there is no "direction of explosion" in our 3 spatial dimensions.
You think there’s only 3 dimensions. :21:
No, and that's not relevant to this discussion regarding movement of objects relative to the nonexistent "blast direction" of the Big Bang.
Hilarious. Quantum Fluctuations just concerns 3 Dimensions. Good one!
Correct, in this context, as we are talking about proper motion in three spatial dimensions.
How 3 dimensional of you. At least 27 dimensions were involved at that point.
 
You are thinking in 3D. And there is no "direction of explosion" in our 3 spatial dimensions.
You think there’s only 3 dimensions. :21:
No, and that's not relevant to this discussion regarding movement of objects relative to the nonexistent "blast direction" of the Big Bang.
Hilarious. Quantum Fluctuations just concerns 3 Dimensions. Good one!
Correct, in this context, as we are talking about proper motion in three spatial dimensions.
How 3 dimensional of you. At least 27 dimensions were involved at that point.
Neat!

Now, this is where you explain how that is relevant to what we are discussing, specifically.

Do you think the big bang has a "blast direction", in three dimensional space? You can start there.
 
You think there’s only 3 dimensions. :21:
No, and that's not relevant to this discussion regarding movement of objects relative to the nonexistent "blast direction" of the Big Bang.
Hilarious. Quantum Fluctuations just concerns 3 Dimensions. Good one!
Correct, in this context, as we are talking about proper motion in three spatial dimensions.
How 3 dimensional of you. At least 27 dimensions were involved at that point.
Neat!

Now, this is where you explain how that is relevant to what we are discussing, specifically.

Do you think the big bang has a "blast direction", in three dimensional space? You can start there.
I’m having too much fun watching you stuck explaining things in 2D in a 27D universe.
 
No, and that's not relevant to this discussion regarding movement of objects relative to the nonexistent "blast direction" of the Big Bang.
Hilarious. Quantum Fluctuations just concerns 3 Dimensions. Good one!
Correct, in this context, as we are talking about proper motion in three spatial dimensions.
How 3 dimensional of you. At least 27 dimensions were involved at that point.
Neat!

Now, this is where you explain how that is relevant to what we are discussing, specifically.

Do you think the big bang has a "blast direction", in three dimensional space? You can start there.
I’m having too much fun watching you stuck explaining things in 2D in a 27D universe.
In other words, you have no idea what we are talking about and don't know anything about this topic. And that's fine. Maybe you will learn something.
 
An intersting sidebar:

Assuming a 4th spatial dimension is to assume an infinite number of 3D "universes".
 
Hilarious. Quantum Fluctuations just concerns 3 Dimensions. Good one!
Correct, in this context, as we are talking about proper motion in three spatial dimensions.
How 3 dimensional of you. At least 27 dimensions were involved at that point.
Neat!

Now, this is where you explain how that is relevant to what we are discussing, specifically.

Do you think the big bang has a "blast direction", in three dimensional space? You can start there.
I’m having too much fun watching you stuck explaining things in 2D in a 27D universe.
In other words, you have no idea what we are talking about and don't know anything about this topic. And that's fine. Maybe you will learn something.
I’m busted! Carry on with lectures on the beginning of time and it’s 3D physics.
 
Correct, in this context, as we are talking about proper motion in three spatial dimensions.
How 3 dimensional of you. At least 27 dimensions were involved at that point.
Neat!

Now, this is where you explain how that is relevant to what we are discussing, specifically.

Do you think the big bang has a "blast direction", in three dimensional space? You can start there.
I’m having too much fun watching you stuck explaining things in 2D in a 27D universe.
In other words, you have no idea what we are talking about and don't know anything about this topic. And that's fine. Maybe you will learn something.
I’m busted! Carry on with lectures on the beginning of time and it’s 3D physics.
Actually, we are talking about time since inflation and today. And about the concept that there is no "blast direction" of the inflationary event in 3D space.
 
The fundamental error being made here is a result of intuition failing us. Our space doesn't "expand into" anything. That is very hard for us to understand.

You cannot trace the big bang back to a point in our space. You cannot pick an object and say it is moving in the "blast direction", then trace its history back to the "location" of the big bang.





Correct, but explosions all behave the same. Matter is converted into heat and whatever remains solid is propelled in a direction away from blast origin. What does not happen is a piece of that matter crossing the direction of the blast.
 
Consider another idea:

We observe galaxies "10 billion light years away". But we have to keep in mind that we are just saying we are seeing the light emitted by the galaxy 10 billion years ago. When the galaxy emitted that light, it was less than 10 billion light years from Earth. And, at this moment, it is much farther away than 10 billion light years. And the farther it gets from us, the faster it will be moving away from us.
 
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Correct, but explosions all behave the same.
Not this one. This one did not explode "into" space, like the explosions you are describing. It is space.

You could never point in the direction of the "origin" of the Big Bang. This direction simply does not exist in space. As such, nothing can be said to be moving with any proper motion to any "blast direction".

We can't point our telescopes to this point in space, because it does not exist. So, instead, to take a snapshot, we had to image the entire observable universe.
 
The sound of settled science strikes again.

We’re getting something wrong about the universe.

It might be something small: a measurement issue that makes certain stars looks closer or farther away than they are, something astrophysicists could fix with a few tweaks to how they measure distances across space. It might be something big: an error — or series of errors — in cosmology, or our understanding of the universe’s origin and evolution. If that’s the case, our entire history of space and time may be messed up. But whatever the issue is, it’s making key observations of the universe disagree with each other: Measured one way, the universe appears to be expanding at a certain rate; measured another way, the universe appears to be expanding at a different rate. And, as a new paper shows, those discrepancies have gotten larger in recent years, even as the measurements have gotten more precise.

“We think that if our understanding of cosmology is correct, then all of these different measurements should be giving us the same answer,” said Katie Mack, a theoretical cosmologist at North Carolina State University (NCSU) and co-author of the new paper.

“If we’re getting different answers that means that there’s something that we don’t know,” Mack told Live Science.

How the Universe Stopped Making Sense

And whatever that something turns out to be, it will point towards Genesis like every other scientific discovery has.
The problem with the Universe is that no one knows what they are looking at, or where it came from or where it is going or what part we play in it and what we are. This renders everything a guess including any mathematics because all the variables are unknown. A solution to a problem that has no parts is not possible, the big bang is the starting point and is also pure conjecture.
 
Also, the expansion itself created matter, it appears. And it may have done so without any energy expense, as the other things it created impart negative energy unto our universe. The net energy of our universe may be zero.
 
Also, the expansion itself created matter, it appears. And it may have done so without any energy expense, as the other things it created impart negative energy unto our universe. The net energy of our universe may be zero.
So you are saying that matter was created by the expansion of nothing.

Nice theory but current physics does not allow for something coming from nothing, only fluctuations of matter and energy
 
So you are saying that matter was created by the expansion of nothing.
No. It was created by the expansion of space, in the theory we are discussing.
There is not any reason to assume that space was not always there. I do find it comical for any human to seriously say that matter just created itself because the big bang just felt like creating a universe. There is no theory that allows even a single atom to be created from nothing, so one comes back to particle fluctuations
 
So you are saying that matter was created by the expansion of nothing.
No. It was created by the expansion of space, in the theory we are discussing.
There is not any reason to assume that space was not always there. I do find it comical for any human to seriously say that matter just created itself because the big bang just felt like creating a universe. There is no theory that allows even a single atom to be created from nothing, so one comes back to particle fluctuations
He doesn’t know what particle fluctuations means.
 
There is not any reason to assume that space was not always there.
I don't disagree entirely. There is, however, good reason to assume it was , at the very least, compacted into something unrecognizable and beyond our knowledge of the laws of physics. And expansion would then had to have happened, by what we know. So the meat of the big bang theory still holds, in any event.

There are a few interesting ideas that elimimate the singularity entirely, or rotate faulty into imaginary time to deal with spatial singularities/the information paradox, or that propose singularities can't be said to be zero-dimensional, as our physics break down before that.
 
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