Something Is Wrong, and It’s Not the Universe

[Frannie]

So you are saying that matter was created by the expansion of nothing.

No. It was created by the expansion of space, in the theory we are discussing.

There is not any reason to assume that space was not always there. I do find it comical for any human to seriously say that matter just created itself because the big bang just felt like creating a universe. There is no theory that allows even a single atom to be created from nothing, so one comes back to particle fluctuations

He doesn’t know what particle fluctuations means.

But he thinks he does and that counts in the mental ward

 

[Frannie]

There is not any reason to assume that space was not always there.

I don't disagree entirely. There is, however, good reason to assume it was , at the very least, compacted into something unrecognizable and beyond our knowledge of the laws of physics. And expansion would then had to have happened, by what we know. So the meat of the big bang theory still holds, in any event.

First you say that space was created from nothing then you say it was compacted presumably by a space compactor

I do not think you are hearing yourself

The answer is clearly God, denoting God as the knowledge to create anything, have that and you can easily create 1 or a trillion new Earths to be fruitful and multiply on

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

First you say that space was created from nothing

I didn't once say or imply that.

 

[Frannie]

First you say that space was created from nothing

I didn't once say or imply that.

Sure you did, when you say that expansion created matter you are saying that something came from nothing. I have heard physicist say the same thing and quite frankly the statement is meaningless...……………...

 

[james bond]

So you are saying that matter was created by the expansion of nothing.

No. It was created by the expansion of space, in the theory we are discussing.

There is not any reason to assume that space was not always there. I do find it comical for any human to seriously say that matter just created itself because the big bang just felt like creating a universe. There is no theory that allows even a single atom to be created from nothing, so one comes back to particle fluctuations

He doesn’t know what particle fluctuations means.

But he thinks he does and that counts in the mental ward

"But he thinks he does and that counts in the mental ward."

Worth repeating ad nauseum.

That's the best explanation for Fort Fun Indiana. He gets his explanations wrong which I've already pointed out with the balloon analogy. He provides no links and just keeps talking like he knows and understands big bang, but he inserts stupid things and then you just roll your eyeballs. He doesn't understand what someone else is trying to patiently explain to him. I come back from enjoying my Sunday and he's still rambling. This guy is seriously autistic, but no idiot savant. Just a plain old idiot who needs his meds and belong in a mental ward.

Did he explain how his expansion started? How did spacetime just appear? I gave up after he didn't understand how astronomical or natural explosions work like supervova (not as well understood as we like to think (!)), solar flares, volcanoes, sound waves at supersonic speeds, etc. It is the buildup of gases and high temperature.

Anyway, we need to move on. At least for Fort Fun Indiana, we figured out what was wrong in his universe .

 

[james bond]

Correct, but explosions all behave the same.

Not this one. This one did not explode "into" space, like the explosions you are describing. It is space.

You could never point in the direction of the "origin" of the Big Bang. This direction simply does not exist in space. As such, nothing can be said to be moving with any proper motion to any "blast direction".

We can't point our telescopes to this point in space, because it does not exist. So, instead, to take a snapshot, we had to image the entire observable universe.

I knew you were going discuss telescopes eventually .

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Even your balloon analogy had a beginning. a direction, and hole you were blowing in.

There, there, Fort Fun Indiana, we understand.

I don't disagree entirely. There is, however, good reason to assume it was , at the very least, compacted into something unrecognizable and beyond our knowledge of the laws of physics. And expansion would then had to have happened, by what we know. So the meat of the big bang theory still holds, in any event.

Violation of the laws of physics. This is from YOUR magical sky fairy .

 

[Frannie]

Correct, but explosions all behave the same.

Not this one. This one did not explode "into" space, like the explosions you are describing. It is space.

You could never point in the direction of the "origin" of the Big Bang. This direction simply does not exist in space. As such, nothing can be said to be moving with any proper motion to any "blast direction".

We can't point our telescopes to this point in space, because it does not exist. So, instead, to take a snapshot, we had to image the entire observable universe.

I knew you were going discuss telescopes eventually .

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Even your balloon analogy had a beginning. a direction, and hole you were blowing in.

There, there, Fort Fun Indiana, we understand.

I don't disagree entirely. There is, however, good reason to assume it was , at the very least, compacted into something unrecognizable and beyond our knowledge of the laws of physics. And expansion would then had to have happened, by what we know. So the meat of the big bang theory still holds, in any event.

Violation of the laws of physics. This is from YOUR magical sky fairy .

I thank God that I do not understand you

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sure you did, when you say that expansion created matter you are saying that something came from nothing.

False. At that point, per the theory, energy was converted to matter.

Now you're up to speed on 30 year old physics.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Violation of the laws of physics

False. It's a theory fleshed out by the people who discovered and taught us the laws of physics. So your comments are laughably absurd.

 

[Frannie]

Sure you did, when you say that expansion created matter you are saying that something came from nothing.

False. At that point, per the theory, energy was converted to matter.

Now you're up to speed with 30 year old physics.

Look kid physics does not age, only human interpretations of how the universe works age

 

[Frannie]

Violation of the laws of physics

False. It's a theory fleshed out by the people who discovered and taught us the laws of physics. So your comments are laughably absurd.

The laws of physics determine that the universe can not be expanding as fast as it is.. So your laws are wrong

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The laws of physics determine that the universe can not be expanding as fast as it is..

False.

 

[007]

How is it possible for galaxies to not be all travelling away from each other in a giant sphere?

Because the expansion of space does not preclude any velocoties within it. Even a thrown baseball has a higher velocity relative to the thrower than it would simply due to the expansion of space.

You can check that yourself. Place a baseball on the ground and measure its velocity relative to you. Then throw it, and do the same.

The reason galaxies can collide is the same reason an object can fall to earth, instead of never reaching the ground due to the expansion of sace.

I have seen plenty of explosions in my life. Not once have I seen a rock travel at right angles to the direction of the blast.

Good point... if the universe is expanding from a central spot, then why do galaxies collide?

 

[Frannie]

The laws of physics determine that the universe can not be expanding as fast as it is..

False.

NASA says that the universe is expanding at 5 times light speed

How is it possible for galaxies to not be all travelling away from each other in a giant sphere?

Because the expansion of space does not preclude any velocoties within it. Even a thrown baseball has a higher velocity relative to the thrower than it would simply due to the expansion of space.

You can check that yourself. Place a baseball on the ground and measure its velocity relative to you. Then throw it, and do the same.

The reason galaxies can collide is the same reason an object can fall to earth, instead of never reaching the ground due to the expansion of sace.

I have seen plenty of explosions in my life. Not once have I seen a rock travel at right angles to the direction of the blast.

Good point... if the universe is expanding from a central spot, then how do galaxies collide?

There would also need to be a void where expansion began

 

[007]

The laws of physics determine that the universe can not be expanding as fast as it is..

False.

NASA says that the universe is expanding at 5 times light speed

How is it possible for galaxies to not be all travelling away from each other in a giant sphere?

Because the expansion of space does not preclude any velocoties within it. Even a thrown baseball has a higher velocity relative to the thrower than it would simply due to the expansion of space.

You can check that yourself. Place a baseball on the ground and measure its velocity relative to you. Then throw it, and do the same.

The reason galaxies can collide is the same reason an object can fall to earth, instead of never reaching the ground due to the expansion of sace.

I have seen plenty of explosions in my life. Not once have I seen a rock travel at right angles to the direction of the blast.

Good point... if the universe is expanding from a central spot, then how do galaxies collide?

There would also need to be a void where expansion began

And where did the void come from, and where does the void end?

 

[Frannie]

The laws of physics determine that the universe can not be expanding as fast as it is..

False.

NASA says that the universe is expanding at 5 times light speed

How is it possible for galaxies to not be all travelling away from each other in a giant sphere?

Because the expansion of space does not preclude any velocoties within it. Even a thrown baseball has a higher velocity relative to the thrower than it would simply due to the expansion of space.

You can check that yourself. Place a baseball on the ground and measure its velocity relative to you. Then throw it, and do the same.

The reason galaxies can collide is the same reason an object can fall to earth, instead of never reaching the ground due to the expansion of sace.

I have seen plenty of explosions in my life. Not once have I seen a rock travel at right angles to the direction of the blast.

Good point... if the universe is expanding from a central spot, then how do galaxies collide?

There would also need to be a void where expansion began

And where did the void come from, and where does the void end?

The big bang determines that matter should form a sort of a shell of expanded matter traveling out from the center that now would be a void. The lack of this huge area is a major flaw to the big bang theory as is the speeding of expansion

 

[007]

The laws of physics determine that the universe can not be expanding as fast as it is..

False.

NASA says that the universe is expanding at 5 times light speed

Because the expansion of space does not preclude any velocoties within it. Even a thrown baseball has a higher velocity relative to the thrower than it would simply due to the expansion of space.

You can check that yourself. Place a baseball on the ground and measure its velocity relative to you. Then throw it, and do the same.

The reason galaxies can collide is the same reason an object can fall to earth, instead of never reaching the ground due to the expansion of sace.

I have seen plenty of explosions in my life. Not once have I seen a rock travel at right angles to the direction of the blast.

Good point... if the universe is expanding from a central spot, then how do galaxies collide?

There would also need to be a void where expansion began

And where did the void come from, and where does the void end?

The big bang determines that matter should form a sort of a shell of expanded matter traveling out from the center that now would be a void. The lack of this huge area is a major flaw to the big bang theory as is the speeding of expansion

I think the big bang theory is a big bust.

But the show on TV is pretty funny.

 

[Frannie]

The laws of physics determine that the universe can not be expanding as fast as it is..

False.

NASA says that the universe is expanding at 5 times light speed

I have seen plenty of explosions in my life. Not once have I seen a rock travel at right angles to the direction of the blast.

Good point... if the universe is expanding from a central spot, then how do galaxies collide?

There would also need to be a void where expansion began

And where did the void come from, and where does the void end?

The big bang determines that matter should form a sort of a shell of expanded matter traveling out from the center that now would be a void. The lack of this huge area is a major flaw to the big bang theory as is the speeding of expansion

I think the big bang theory is a big bust.

But the show on TV is pretty funny.

Someone was ask about the void being missing and they claimed that there really was no big bang just a moment when matter came into existence.

Corky has as much idea about where the universe came from as anyone

 

[007]

False.

NASA says that the universe is expanding at 5 times light speed

Good point... if the universe is expanding from a central spot, then how do galaxies collide?

There would also need to be a void where expansion began

And where did the void come from, and where does the void end?

The big bang determines that matter should form a sort of a shell of expanded matter traveling out from the center that now would be a void. The lack of this huge area is a major flaw to the big bang theory as is the speeding of expansion

I think the big bang theory is a big bust.

But the show on TV is pretty funny.

Someone was ask about the void being missing and they claimed that there really was no big bang just a moment when matter came into existence.

Corky has as much idea about where the universe came from as anyone

I don't think we can wrap our heads around any of it when questions like, when did time begin, how did everything come into existence, and how big is the universe are asked. We simply don't even have the capacity to comprehend such things. All we can do is guess.

 

[Frannie]

NASA says that the universe is expanding at 5 times light speed
There would also need to be a void where expansion began

And where did the void come from, and where does the void end?

The big bang determines that matter should form a sort of a shell of expanded matter traveling out from the center that now would be a void. The lack of this huge area is a major flaw to the big bang theory as is the speeding of expansion

I think the big bang theory is a big bust.

But the show on TV is pretty funny.

Someone was ask about the void being missing and they claimed that there really was no big bang just a moment when matter came into existence.

Corky has as much idea about where the universe came from as anyone

I don't think we can wrap our heads around any of it when questions like, when did time begin, how did everything come into existence, and how big is the universe are asked. We simply don't even have the capacity to comprehend such things. All we can do is guess.

Nothing is wrong with any of those questions, or in seeking the answers. On the other hand paying to send ones child to a school because some professor claims to know makes less sense than snorting Fentanyl