Something Else That Trump Couldn't Be Bothered to Get Right: Termination of Union Members Have to Adhere to Their Collective Bargaining Agreement-CBA

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I can't help but wonder why Trump appears to be in SUCH a hurry to burn everything down. So much so that he can't be bothered to do things the proper way so that he is obtains the results he wants, or in the very least, not have so many irons in the fire that it bogs down our government and prevents people from doing the work that they were hired to do.

UNLESS this is just a tactic.

When a federal employee is a member of a union, their termination must comply with the terms set forth in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the union and the federal agency. These agreements outline just cause protections, due process rights, and grievance procedures that must be followed before an employee can be fired.​

​

Key Protections Under Federal Union CBAs:​

1. Just Cause Standard:
   • Most CBAs prohibit arbitrary or politically motivated firings.
   • The agency must provide documented reasons for termination, often including a progressive discipline process before outright dismissal.
2. Due Process Rights (5 U.S.C. § 7513 & § 7121):
   • Federal employees cannot be fired without due process.
   • They are entitled to notice, a chance to respond, and an appeal process through the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) or their union’s grievance procedure.
3. Union Representation in Disciplinary Actions:
   • Employees have a right to union representation (Weingarten Rights) during disciplinary meetings.
   • The union can challenge unfair terminations through arbitration or legal action.
4. Grievance and Appeal Rights:
   • Federal employees covered by a CBA can challenge their termination through a grievance process instead of (or in addition to) an MSPB appeal.
   • Many unions arbitrate wrongful termination cases, and arbitrators have the power to reinstate employees and award back pay.

How This Applies to Trump's Firings:​

If Trump’s administration is firing federal employees who are union members, those dismissals must comply with their CBA protections. If the firings are politically motivated or related to retaliation against DEI programs, unions can file lawsuits and grievances to block the terminations.​

​

Current Union Legal Actions Against Firings:​

• The National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU) has already filed a lawsuit challenging the reclassification and firing of federal workers, arguing it violates the Civil Service Reform Act and their collective bargaining rights. (theguardian.com)
• The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is also preparing legal challenges against mass firings. (marketwatch.com)

 

[The Duke]

Part of the Executive branch. The firings will stand.
Government workers should never have a union. Government Unions are antithetical to the peoples' best interests.
They used to never be allowed at all. When did this start?

 

[IM2]

Part of the Executive branch. The firings will stand.
Government workers should never have a union. Government Unions are antithetical to the peoples' best interests.
They used to never be allowed at all. When did this start?

No they won't. Not if Trump didn't meet requirements.

 

[jackflash]

Part of the Executive branch. The firings will stand.
Government workers should never have a union. Government Unions are antithetical to the peoples' best interests.
They used to never be allowed at all. When did this start?

Private sector unions are a backdoor power & control(PC) attempt @ getting between the employees & their employer, with the goal of controlling BOTH the employees & employer.

Public sector unions are a backdoor power & control(PC) attempt @ getting between the employees & their employer(g'ment) with the goal of controlling BOTH the employees & employer(g'ment).

You are correct Duke with your statement that "Government workers should NEVER have a union." Installing an "intermediate" source between oneself & their ELECTED government Representatives is not only foolhardy but outright dangerous as well. It is tantamount to hiring an intermediate between oneself & our Maker!!! In the end the so called unions attempt to hold government hostage & become the government themselves, "Own The Labor Own The Society/Country."

The unions have a history of creating ever more bureaucracy with bureaucracy itself coming @ quite a co$t to the private sector. Then there is the union "overreach" when it comes to the 1st amendment & their disdain for Americans 2nd amendment Liberties, & for that matter the entire U.S. Constitution.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt1-8-4-1/ALDE_00013150/#:~:text=2See%20R.-,Emps.,would%20violate%20the%20First%20Amendment).

Play it safe & avoid the corrupt unions completely!

 

[elektra]

I guess Trump will simply have to get rid of the entire department so there is simply no job.

Democrats agreed to rules that make it so the departments democrats create and make larger can never get smaller? They must grow by law.

Democrats are evil slithering low life scum. We can throw out their corruption with the trash.

The next battle we will have to win is firing all these judges and taking the power the lowly federal judges in the states think they have over the president of the usa

 

[Moonglow]

Part of the Executive branch. The firings will stand.
Government workers should never have a union. Government Unions are antithetical to the peoples' best interests.
They used to never be allowed at all. When did this start?

They have a union to guard against assholes like Trump.

 

[Moonglow]

I guess Trump will simply have to get rid of the entire department so there is simply no job.

Democrats agreed to rules that make it so the departments democrats create and make larger can never get smaller? They must grow by law.

Democrats are evil slithering low life scum. We can throw out their corruption with the trash.

The next battle we will have to win is firing all these judges and taking the power the lowly federal judges in the states think they have over the president of the usa

Ain't gonna happen.

 

[theHawk]

I can't help but wonder why Trump appears to be in SUCH a hurry to burn everything down. So much so that he can't be bothered to do things the proper way so that he is obtains the results he wants, or in the very least, not have so many irons in the fire that it bogs down our government and prevents people from doing the work that they were hired to do.

UNLESS this is just a tactic.

When a federal employee is a member of a union, their termination must comply with the terms set forth in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the union and the federal agency. These agreements outline just cause protections, due process rights, and grievance procedures that must be followed before an employee can be fired.​

​

Key Protections Under Federal Union CBAs:​

1. Just Cause Standard:
   • Most CBAs prohibit arbitrary or politically motivated firings.
   • The agency must provide documented reasons for termination, often including a progressive discipline process before outright dismissal.
2. Due Process Rights (5 U.S.C. § 7513 & § 7121):
   • Federal employees cannot be fired without due process.
   • They are entitled to notice, a chance to respond, and an appeal process through the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) or their union’s grievance procedure.
3. Union Representation in Disciplinary Actions:
   • Employees have a right to union representation (Weingarten Rights) during disciplinary meetings.
   • The union can challenge unfair terminations through arbitration or legal action.
4. Grievance and Appeal Rights:
   • Federal employees covered by a CBA can challenge their termination through a grievance process instead of (or in addition to) an MSPB appeal.
   • Many unions arbitrate wrongful termination cases, and arbitrators have the power to reinstate employees and award back pay.

How This Applies to Trump's Firings:​

If Trump’s administration is firing federal employees who are union members, those dismissals must comply with their CBA protections. If the firings are politically motivated or related to retaliation against DEI programs, unions can file lawsuits and grievances to block the terminations.​

​

Current Union Legal Actions Against Firings:​

• The National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU) has already filed a lawsuit challenging the reclassification and firing of federal workers, arguing it violates the Civil Service Reform Act and their collective bargaining rights. (theguardian.com)
• The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is also preparing legal challenges against mass firings. (marketwatch.com)

Federal employees working for the Department of Defense don’t have a union.

That’s a huge chunk of the federal employee base.

 

[theHawk]

I can't help but wonder why Trump appears to be in SUCH a hurry to burn everything down. So much so that he can't be bothered to do things the proper way so that he is obtains the results he wants, or in the very least, not have so many irons in the fire that it bogs down our government and prevents people from doing the work that they were hired to do.

UNLESS this is just a tactic.

When a federal employee is a member of a union, their termination must comply with the terms set forth in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the union and the federal agency. These agreements outline just cause protections, due process rights, and grievance procedures that must be followed before an employee can be fired.​

​

Key Protections Under Federal Union CBAs:​

1. Just Cause Standard:
   • Most CBAs prohibit arbitrary or politically motivated firings.
   • The agency must provide documented reasons for termination, often including a progressive discipline process before outright dismissal.
2. Due Process Rights (5 U.S.C. § 7513 & § 7121):
   • Federal employees cannot be fired without due process.
   • They are entitled to notice, a chance to respond, and an appeal process through the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) or their union’s grievance procedure.
3. Union Representation in Disciplinary Actions:
   • Employees have a right to union representation (Weingarten Rights) during disciplinary meetings.
   • The union can challenge unfair terminations through arbitration or legal action.
4. Grievance and Appeal Rights:
   • Federal employees covered by a CBA can challenge their termination through a grievance process instead of (or in addition to) an MSPB appeal.
   • Many unions arbitrate wrongful termination cases, and arbitrators have the power to reinstate employees and award back pay.

How This Applies to Trump's Firings:​

If Trump’s administration is firing federal employees who are union members, those dismissals must comply with their CBA protections. If the firings are politically motivated or related to retaliation against DEI programs, unions can file lawsuits and grievances to block the terminations.​

​

Current Union Legal Actions Against Firings:​

• The National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU) has already filed a lawsuit challenging the reclassification and firing of federal workers, arguing it violates the Civil Service Reform Act and their collective bargaining rights. (theguardian.com)
• The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is also preparing legal challenges against mass firings. (marketwatch.com)

The buyout is full pay and benefits until the end of the fiscal year, Sept 30, 2025.

If people agree to that, then they waive the CBA.

If enough people do it, they’ll call victory for reducing the workforce.

 

[konradv]

Part of the Executive branch. The firings will stand.
Government workers should never have a union. Government Unions are antithetical to the peoples' best interests.
They used to never be allowed at all. When did this start?

Before unions there were Civil Service laws. Trump is violating them.

 

[Muhammed]

Part of the Executive branch. The firings will stand.
Government workers should never have a union. Government Unions are antithetical to the peoples' best interests.
They used to never be allowed at all. When did this start?

The Nation Federation of Federal Employees (NFFE) was founded in 1917.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Part of the Executive branch. The firings will stand.
Government workers should never have a union. Government Unions are antithetical to the peoples' best interests.
They used to never be allowed at all. When did this start?

why?...do they get treated better by their horrible management than the private workers?.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

They have a union to guard against assholes like Trump.

they have unions to guard against some horrible management most who are assholes....

 

[The Duke]

why?...do they get treated better by their horrible management than the private workers?.....

Never had them for over 200 years for good reason. That's taxpayer money they're collectively bargaining for.

 

[Independent thinker]

I can't help but wonder why Trump appears to be in SUCH a hurry to burn everything down. So much so that he can't be bothered to do things the proper way so that he is obtains the results he wants, or in the very least, not have so many irons in the fire that it bogs down our government and prevents people from doing the work that they were hired to do.

UNLESS this is just a tactic.

When a federal employee is a member of a union, their termination must comply with the terms set forth in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the union and the federal agency. These agreements outline just cause protections, due process rights, and grievance procedures that must be followed before an employee can be fired.​

​

Key Protections Under Federal Union CBAs:​

1. Just Cause Standard:
   • Most CBAs prohibit arbitrary or politically motivated firings.
   • The agency must provide documented reasons for termination, often including a progressive discipline process before outright dismissal.
2. Due Process Rights (5 U.S.C. § 7513 & § 7121):
   • Federal employees cannot be fired without due process.
   • They are entitled to notice, a chance to respond, and an appeal process through the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) or their union’s grievance procedure.
3. Union Representation in Disciplinary Actions:
   • Employees have a right to union representation (Weingarten Rights) during disciplinary meetings.
   • The union can challenge unfair terminations through arbitration or legal action.
4. Grievance and Appeal Rights:
   • Federal employees covered by a CBA can challenge their termination through a grievance process instead of (or in addition to) an MSPB appeal.
   • Many unions arbitrate wrongful termination cases, and arbitrators have the power to reinstate employees and award back pay.

How This Applies to Trump's Firings:​

If Trump’s administration is firing federal employees who are union members, those dismissals must comply with their CBA protections. If the firings are politically motivated or related to retaliation against DEI programs, unions can file lawsuits and grievances to block the terminations.​

​

Current Union Legal Actions Against Firings:​

• The National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU) has already filed a lawsuit challenging the reclassification and firing of federal workers, arguing it violates the Civil Service Reform Act and their collective bargaining rights. (theguardian.com)
• The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is also preparing legal challenges against mass firings. (marketwatch.com)

The deep state is everywhere. That's why it all needs burning down. And, we want it done now so democrats can't resist and run out the clock.

 

[The Duke]

The deep state is everywhere. That's why it all needs burning down. And, we want it done now so democrats can't resist and run out the clock.

Every hole they get rooted out of is a win.

 

[Independent thinker]

Every hole they get rooted out of is a win.

It's like cancer. If you don't get it all it just grows right back.

 

[konradv]

It's like cancer. If you don't get it all it just grows right back.

Laws and rights?! MAGA is fascist.

 

[BlackSand]

I can't help but wonder why Trump appears to be in SUCH a hurry to burn everything down. So much so that he can't be bothered to do things the proper way so that he is obtains the results he wants, or in the very least, not have so many irons in the fire that it bogs down our government and prevents people from doing the work that they were hired to do.

UNLESS this is just a tactic.

When a federal employee is a member of a union, their termination must comply with the terms set forth in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the union and the federal agency. These agreements outline just cause protections, due process rights, and grievance procedures that must be followed before an employee can be fired.​

​

Key Protections Under Federal Union CBAs:​

1. Just Cause Standard:
   • Most CBAs prohibit arbitrary or politically motivated firings.
   • The agency must provide documented reasons for termination, often including a progressive discipline process before outright dismissal.
2. Due Process Rights (5 U.S.C. § 7513 & § 7121):
   • Federal employees cannot be fired without due process.
   • They are entitled to notice, a chance to respond, and an appeal process through the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) or their union’s grievance procedure.
3. Union Representation in Disciplinary Actions:
   • Employees have a right to union representation (Weingarten Rights) during disciplinary meetings.
   • The union can challenge unfair terminations through arbitration or legal action.
4. Grievance and Appeal Rights:
   • Federal employees covered by a CBA can challenge their termination through a grievance process instead of (or in addition to) an MSPB appeal.
   • Many unions arbitrate wrongful termination cases, and arbitrators have the power to reinstate employees and award back pay.

How This Applies to Trump's Firings:​

If Trump’s administration is firing federal employees who are union members, those dismissals must comply with their CBA protections. If the firings are politically motivated or related to retaliation against DEI programs, unions can file lawsuits and grievances to block the terminations.​

​

Current Union Legal Actions Against Firings:​

• The National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU) has already filed a lawsuit challenging the reclassification and firing of federal workers, arguing it violates the Civil Service Reform Act and their collective bargaining rights. (theguardian.com)
• The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is also preparing legal challenges against mass firings. (marketwatch.com)

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He doesn't have to fire them all ...
Over 2 million of them were simply offered the opportunity to resign with 8 months pay and benefits.

Thirty percent of the workers targeted might take that deal ...
It's probably going to take a little longer to get rid of the rest.

If a federal employee doesn't like President Trump ...
That doesn't necessarily mean their firing is politically motivated.

Seriously ... I have tried to express to people before that it's not difficult for any employer
to find and document a legitimate reason to fire any employee ...
And there's no reason to pretend that they won't.

.​

 

[Independent thinker]

Laws and rights?! MAGA is fascist.

You do know that even most leftists have admitted that Musk did NOT give a Nazi salute, right? It just shows your extremism.