Some simple questions for Trump supporters

[Marener]

The evidence is in the data collected and analyzed by the BLS.

Yet here the Republican Party is telling us to reject it. They’ve been telling us that for many years now. They have to invent conspiracies to convince people not to believe it.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Most Americans SAY they’re worse off.

That doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s true.

Yeah

Now you know better than a family of 4 in Greer SC

Spare me your sanctimonious bullshit

 

[Marener]

Yeah

Now you know better than a family of 4 in Greer SC

Spare me your sanctimonious bullshit

And now you’re being emotional about it.

it’s not me that knows better. I’m trying to decide who to believe.

Either it’s the carefully collected and tabulated data with rigorous statistical methodology, or an impression from someone who has done none of that.

We know for a fact that people are notoriously prone to bias when they assess the economy. I don’t know why you’d overlook bias as a problem with a survey.

Oh I know why. Because the survey told you what you want to believe. That’s called confirmation bias.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And now you’re being emotional about it.

it’s not me that knows better. I’m trying to decide who to believe.

Either it’s the carefully collected and tabulated data with rigorous statistical methodology, or an impression from someone who has done none of that.

We know for a fact that people are notoriously prone to bias when they assess the economy. I don’t know why you’d overlook bias as a problem with a survey.

Oh I know why. Because the survey told you what you want to believe. That’s called confirmation bias.

Rigorous. Yeah. Believe those who sit at the table and have to pay bills. Surveys matter. Show me the math behind your “data”

We had FBI data too that crime was down until they came back and said it wasn’t. Data indeed

I posted Links that showed that wages have not kept up with inflation and the election showed the exact same result.

You also missed another critical point. People make more to hopefully save more or purchase more not to be stuck in the same place. And that’s what happened or worse under the Biden economy so they were politely asked to exit.


Believe that

 

[Marener]

Rigorous. Yeah. Believe those who sit at the table and have to pay bills. Surveys matter. Show me the math behind your “data”

We had FBI data too that crime was down until they came back and said it wasn’t. Data indeed

I posted Links that showed that wages have not kept up with inflation and the election showed the exact same result.

You also missed another critical point. People make more to hopefully save more or purchase more not to be stuck in the same place. And that’s what happened or worse under the Biden economy so they were politely asked to exit.


Believe that

Yes, they’re more rigorous than the answer you get randomly calling people up and asking them what they think. Surveys matter to collect opinions. They are not a substitute for data.

Do you think the finance sector is going to make decisions based on BLS data or by calling up random people and asking them what the rate of inflation is?

Your data showed that wages are up compared to inflation when you start from pre-pandemic time frame, which is the only rational way to go.

If people want to get to a better place, all we have to do is continue the trends that are currently going on. Inflation is controlled. Wages are rising. They elected Trump to do a job that’s already done.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yes, they’re more rigorous than the answer you get randomly calling people up and asking them what they think. Surveys matter to collect opinions. They are not a substitute for data.

Do you think the finance sector is going to make decisions based on BLS data or by calling up random people and asking them what the rate of inflation is?

Your data showed that wages are up compared to inflation when you start from pre-pandemic time frame, which is the only rational way to go.

If people want to get to a better place, all we have to do is continue the trends that are currently going on. Inflation is controlled. Wages are rising. They elected Trump to do a job that’s already done.

Pre pandemic is under Trump. Once Biden took over it went to shit. You can’t only like the stats that help you.

Now you know what’s best for the people? What is your background? Do share.

Now you’re getting emotional, defect.

 

[Marener]

Pre pandemic is under Trump. Once Biden took over it went to shit. You can’t only like the stats that help you.

Now you know what’s best for the people? What is your background? Do share.

Now you’re getting emotional, defect.

Yes, prepandemic was under Trump and real wages are now than under Trump. Your own link said so.

I never said what’s best for people. I only said what the data shows.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yes, prepandemic was under Trump and real wages are now than under Trump. Your own link said so.

I never said what’s best for people. I only said what the data shows.

What is your background to interpret the data, which you can’t even read correctly? Stop dodging.

 

[Marener]

What is your background to interpret the data, which you can’t even read correctly? Stop dodging.

This is from your own link. What’s incorrect about what I read?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

This is from your own link. What’s incorrect about what I read?

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You cherry picked. There are other graphs and you know it. I ask again, what is your background? I am not playing this game. Answer it or fuck off

 

[Robert W]

No he didn’t. Those investors were not regulated in any such way.

See how you think? When told Clinton used his power to cause the unfit to be able to by homes, you say hell no. Then you speak up for regulation. Don't deny what Clinton did when you can google as I did to find out why those junk loans came about.

25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis - TIME

President Clinton's tenure was characterized by economic prosperity and financial deregulation, which in many ways set the stage for the excesses of recent years. Among his biggest strokes of...

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Blameworthy

Bill Clinton​

Photo Illustration; Clinton: Saul Loeb / AFP / Getty; Jupiter

President Clinton's tenure was characterized by economic prosperity and financial deregulation, which in many ways set the stage for the excesses of recent years. Among his biggest strokes of free-wheeling capitalism was the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, a cornerstone of Depression-era regulation. He also signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. In 1995 Clinton loosened housing rules by rewriting the Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. It is the subject of heated political and scholarly debate whether any of these moves are to blame for our troubles, but they certainly played a role in creating a permissive lending environment.

 

[Marener]

You cherry picked. There are other graphs and you know it. I ask again, what is your background? I am not playing this game. Answer it or fuck off

I picked the graph that made the most sense. The pandemic caused an artificial spike in wages that skews the data.

Why shouldn’t we start from before the pandemic?

 

[Marener]

See how you think? When told Clinton used his power to cause the unfit to be able to by homes, you say hell no. Then you speak up for regulation. Don't deny what Clinton did when you can google as I did to find out why those junk loans came about.

I don’t believe everything I’m told, especially when there’s no rational basis by which Clinton could compel investment firms to do any such thing.

But beyond that, the subprime bubble didn’t happen under Clinton, it as under Bush.

Those junk loans came about because of market incentives to do so. Not because they were told to make them by anyone in government.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I picked the graph that made the most sense. The pandemic caused an artificial spike in wages that skews the data.

Why shouldn’t we start from before the pandemic?

Fuck off

You didn’t answer me. I accept Your surrender. Too easy

 

[Robert W]

I don’t believe everything I’m told, especially when there’s no rational basis by which Clinton could compel investment firms to do any such thing.

But beyond that, the subprime bubble didn’t happen under Clinton, it as under Bush.

Those junk loans came about because of market incentives to do so. Not because they were told to make them by anyone in government.

I edited the post you jibber jabbered at and proves it was Clinton's acts that created the subprime crisis. Read several posts earlier for evidence it was Clinton.

 

[Marener]

Fuck off

You didn’t answer me. I accept Your surrender. Too easy

I haven’t surrendered anything.

You’re the one running away from the debate because you’re an intellectual wimp.

Why isn’t the comparison with the prepandemic time period the most appropriate and fair one?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

See how you think? When told Clinton used his power to cause the unfit to be able to by homes, you say hell no. Then you speak up for regulation. Don't deny what Clinton did when you can google as I did to find out why those junk loans came about.

25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis - TIME

President Clinton's tenure was characterized by economic prosperity and financial deregulation, which in many ways set the stage for the excesses of recent years. Among his biggest strokes of...

content.time.com

Blameworthy

Bill Clinton​

Photo Illustration; Clinton: Saul Loeb / AFP / Getty; Jupiter

President Clinton's tenure was characterized by economic prosperity and financial deregulation, which in many ways set the stage for the excesses of recent years. Among his biggest strokes of free-wheeling capitalism was the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, a cornerstone of Depression-era regulation. He also signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. In 1995 Clinton loosened housing rules by rewriting the Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. It is the subject of heated political and scholarly debate whether any of these moves are to blame for our troubles, but they certainly played a role in creating a permissive lending environment.

Don’t waste your time Marener is a dishonest debater. I just smoked him and he moved the goal posts

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I haven’t surrendered anything.

You’re the one running away from the debate because you’re an intellectual wimp.

Why isn’t the comparison with the prepandemic time period the most appropriate and fair one?

Dickhead. Answer my question. Because we are discussing the Biden presidency not the Trump one when inflation was under control you mental midget. So I answer your questions and you don’t answer mine? Thats not how it works, British cigarette

 

[Marener]

I edited the post you jibber jabbered at and proves it was Clinton's acts that created the subprime crisis. Read several posts earlier for evidence it was Clinton.

Clinton signed legislation to deregulate financial industry, and I agree that was a significant part of the problem. The CRA almost certainly was not.

The market wanted those junk loans made. The government didn’t have to coerce them to do it.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I haven’t surrendered anything.

You’re the one running away from the debate because you’re an intellectual wimp.

Why isn’t the comparison with the prepandemic time period the most appropriate and fair one?

Loser

Since the beginning of the post-pandemic inflation surge in Jan. 1, 2021, prices have risen 20.0 percent, compared with a 17.4 percent increase in wages over the same period, Bankrate’s second-annual Wage To Inflation Index found.

Inflation feels akin to taking a pay cut, helping explain why Americans have been so downtrodden about the U.S. economy. Despite a half-century low unemployment rate at the time, the majority (59 percent) of Americans said in a Bankrate poll from December 2023 that they felt like the U.S. economy was in a recession.

Americans could even take these frustrations to the voting booth come November. Most adults (89 percent) say the economy will be an important factor in determining their vote, with two-thirds (62 percent) calling it very important, according to Bankrate’s Biden and Americans’ Personal Finances Survey from November 2023.