Some reactions to Donald Trump's anti-immigration rally in AZ

First, here is the whole thing:




Second, tidbits from many sources:

Relishing polls Trump rails against U.S. presidential race rivals Reuters

His rally, originally planned for a hotel ballroom, was moved to a convention center after more than 9,000 people asked for tickets, organizers said.

Numbers inside the standing-room-only room were far smaller than that total, although Trump said "thousands" could not get in. Trump was joined at the rally by local sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has been sued by the Justice Department for racially profiling Latinos.


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"I'm really smart," he said.

-and this detail may be especially interesting to note:
"The only thing I can tell you is that it is awakening the Hispanic community," said Eduardo Sainz, 22. "We're keeping a tally of who is on our side and who isn't. The Hispanic community won't forget in 2016."

Donald Trump Antes Up On Immigration Stance

So, how big is the Phoenix Convention Center?

In the 4,200-capacity Phoenix convention center packed with flag-waving supporters, Trump took a different view — for a moment — and said: "I love the Mexican people. I love 'em. Many, many people from Mexico are legal. They came in the old-fashioned way. Legally."

He quickly returned to the sharp tone that has brought him scorn as well as praise. "I respect Mexico greatly as a country. But the problem we have is their leaders are much sharper than ours, and they're killing us at the border and they're killing us on trade."

His speeches in both venues were long on insults aimed at critics and short on solutions to the problems he cited. When he called for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, the audience in Las Vegas groaned.


-and this detail is quite interesting:

As Trump lambasted Univision for cancelling its broadcast of the Miss USA pageant, one of his many business enterprises, a group of young Latinos unfurled a banner pointed toward the stage and began chanting insults. They were quickly drowned out by the crowd, and nearby Trump supporters began to grab at them, tearing at the banner and pulling and pushing at the protesters. Security staff managed to get to the group and escorted them out as Trump resumed speaking.

"I wonder if the Mexican government sent them over here," he said. "I think so."


Yes, we can see quite clearly that Trump is doing just excellently with Latinos.

Donald Trump storms Phoenix - Ben Schreckinger - POLITICO

A day later, he came to Arizona and said, “We have to stop illegal immigration. We have to. We have to,” to the cheers of 4,000 supporters.

On Monday, RNC Chairman Reince Preibus called Trump to congratulate him on his success and reportedly ask him to “tone it down.”

But Donald Trump only tones it in one direction: up...

...“They’re taking our jobs. They’re taking our manufacturing jobs. They’re taking our money. They’re killing us.”




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“This crowd today blows away anything that Bernie Sanders has gotten,” Trump said (10,000 people recently came out to cheer Sanders in Madison, Wisconsin).
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Ahead of the event, John McCain called Trump’s immigration comments “offensive.” Arizona’s other Republican senator, Jeff Flake, called his views “coarse, ill-informed and inaccurate.” News outlets and fact-checkers pointed out that Trump’s assertion — that the undocumented immigrants coming from Mexico are that country’s criminal element — appears to be flat wrong.

But while the press and the party condemn Trump’s rhetoric, many voters are eating it up. When Trump mentioned McCain, the crowd booed.


Trump blasts US immigration policy trade agenda Fox News

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(Notice the number of attendees that FOX NEWS reported)

Trump's speeches were filled with tangents and insults leveled at business partners such as Univision and NBC that have dropped him in the wake of his comments that Mexican immigrants bring drugs and crime to the U.S. and are rapists. He also directed familiar barbs at other presidential contenders, including Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton ("the worst secretary of state in the history of the country"), news media figures ("lyin' Brian Williams") and President Barack Obama ("such a divisive person"). He called journalists "terrible people."


Trump We have to take back the heart of our country - The Washington Post

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, whose caustic comments about Mexicans have inflamed the immigration debate, told thousands of cheering supporters here Saturday that “we have to take back the heart of our country.”

In a rambling, defiant speech delivered in this border state that has been the epicenter of the nation’s divisive battle over immigration reform, Trump declared: “These are people that shouldn’t be in our country. They flow in like water.” One man in the crowd of 4,200 shouted back, “Build a wall!”

Basking in polls that show he has risen to the top of the crowded Republican field, Trump took obvious glee in mocking former Florida governor Jeb Bush, the establishment favorite who is setting fundraising records.

“Jeb Bush, let’s say he’s president — Oy, yoy, yoy,” Trump said. He asked the crowd: “How can I be tied with this guy? He’s terrible. Terrible. He’s weak on immigration.”

Trump’s 70-minute address here, which sounded more like a stream-of-consciousness rant than a presidential-style stump speech, put an exclamation point on his bombastic push since his presidential announcement last month to return immigration to the forefront of the national conversation.


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Republican leaders say they believe the celebrity billionaire has virtually no chance of being their nominee, much less of making it to the White House. And, for now at least, his following seems limited to the far right as opposed to the party’s mainstream...

...Party leaders increasingly fear that Trump could do damage to more viable candidates, such as Bush, who could lose their own footing on immigration. These candidates confront a familiar challenge: During the primary season, they must deal with the anger and anxiety that many on the right feel about illegal immigration. But they must do it in a way that will not damage their appeal to a broader electorate in November 2016.

Republicans are handling Trump delicately for another reason as well: They fear that he could leave the GOP entirely and wage a well-funded third-party campaign, a possibility that Trump has not ruled out...

...But it was his crusade against illegal immigrants that had Trump’s crowd most enthused. After expressing shock that his immigration message has resonated so strongly with the GOP base, Trump said, “The silent majority is back, and we’re going to take the country back.” He walked off the stage to Twisted Sister’s “We’re Not Gonna Take It.”



More to come, this is just the beginning....

So, Don Trump had success in front of a crowd of Libertarians in Nevada and a bunch of white, hard-core Righties in Arizona. Now, let's see what his words do on the national stage, when he's not preaching to his own choir.

Discuss. How did yesterday go for Trump?

Illegal immigration is just that, ILLEGAL. I can't even believe we have to discuss this.

Any group that unrolls a banner is bought and paid for so meaningless

I think trump's rhetoric is harsh and definitely non PC but Americans are fed up with illegal immigration.



The problem is two-fold:

first, until yesterday, Trump made no distinction between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants.

Second, what he said about the qualities of most illegal immigrants is also a lie. Most illegal immigrants are not rapists, murderers or the like. On this point, Lindsay Graham is absolutely right.
 
Trump got the left's panties in a twist so it's a win :)

You are too stupid to be one person.

The left would LOVE to have Trump run as the Republican candidate. He's pro-choice, for gay marriage, he's been married three times, has no political experience, he's a birther, a racist, and his companies have gone bankrupt four times. The hard-core fundamentalist wing of the Republican Party won't support him because he's not right wing enough for them. He's pandering to the racists in the party, and that won't go over well with anyone who isn't racist.

Only racist idiots like you think his running is a good idea. Even the Republican Party sees him as a problem.

GFY....:)
 
“Republican leaders say they believe the celebrity billionaire has virtually no chance of being their nominee, much less of making it to the White House. And, for now at least, his following seems limited to the far right as opposed to the party’s mainstream.”

Clearly.

“Party leaders increasingly fear that Trump could do damage to more viable candidates, such as Bush, who could lose their own footing on immigration.”

It’s not ‘could do damage,’ Trump is currently doing damage.
 
To listen to Progressives describe Illegal immigration you they they would call a bank robbery, an undocumented withdrawal

Trump finally brought the issue front and center and the Establishment in both parties greets it like Dracula meeting the morning sunrise
 
First, here is the whole thing:




Second, tidbits from many sources:

Relishing polls Trump rails against U.S. presidential race rivals Reuters

His rally, originally planned for a hotel ballroom, was moved to a convention center after more than 9,000 people asked for tickets, organizers said.

Numbers inside the standing-room-only room were far smaller than that total, although Trump said "thousands" could not get in. Trump was joined at the rally by local sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has been sued by the Justice Department for racially profiling Latinos.


-and-

"I'm really smart," he said.

-and this detail may be especially interesting to note:
"The only thing I can tell you is that it is awakening the Hispanic community," said Eduardo Sainz, 22. "We're keeping a tally of who is on our side and who isn't. The Hispanic community won't forget in 2016."

Donald Trump Antes Up On Immigration Stance

So, how big is the Phoenix Convention Center?

In the 4,200-capacity Phoenix convention center packed with flag-waving supporters, Trump took a different view — for a moment — and said: "I love the Mexican people. I love 'em. Many, many people from Mexico are legal. They came in the old-fashioned way. Legally."

He quickly returned to the sharp tone that has brought him scorn as well as praise. "I respect Mexico greatly as a country. But the problem we have is their leaders are much sharper than ours, and they're killing us at the border and they're killing us on trade."

His speeches in both venues were long on insults aimed at critics and short on solutions to the problems he cited. When he called for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, the audience in Las Vegas groaned.


-and this detail is quite interesting:

As Trump lambasted Univision for cancelling its broadcast of the Miss USA pageant, one of his many business enterprises, a group of young Latinos unfurled a banner pointed toward the stage and began chanting insults. They were quickly drowned out by the crowd, and nearby Trump supporters began to grab at them, tearing at the banner and pulling and pushing at the protesters. Security staff managed to get to the group and escorted them out as Trump resumed speaking.

"I wonder if the Mexican government sent them over here," he said. "I think so."


Yes, we can see quite clearly that Trump is doing just excellently with Latinos.

Donald Trump storms Phoenix - Ben Schreckinger - POLITICO

A day later, he came to Arizona and said, “We have to stop illegal immigration. We have to. We have to,” to the cheers of 4,000 supporters.

On Monday, RNC Chairman Reince Preibus called Trump to congratulate him on his success and reportedly ask him to “tone it down.”

But Donald Trump only tones it in one direction: up...

...“They’re taking our jobs. They’re taking our manufacturing jobs. They’re taking our money. They’re killing us.”




-and-

“This crowd today blows away anything that Bernie Sanders has gotten,” Trump said (10,000 people recently came out to cheer Sanders in Madison, Wisconsin).
-and-

Ahead of the event, John McCain called Trump’s immigration comments “offensive.” Arizona’s other Republican senator, Jeff Flake, called his views “coarse, ill-informed and inaccurate.” News outlets and fact-checkers pointed out that Trump’s assertion — that the undocumented immigrants coming from Mexico are that country’s criminal element — appears to be flat wrong.

But while the press and the party condemn Trump’s rhetoric, many voters are eating it up. When Trump mentioned McCain, the crowd booed.


Trump blasts US immigration policy trade agenda Fox News

View attachment 44379

(Notice the number of attendees that FOX NEWS reported)

Trump's speeches were filled with tangents and insults leveled at business partners such as Univision and NBC that have dropped him in the wake of his comments that Mexican immigrants bring drugs and crime to the U.S. and are rapists. He also directed familiar barbs at other presidential contenders, including Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton ("the worst secretary of state in the history of the country"), news media figures ("lyin' Brian Williams") and President Barack Obama ("such a divisive person"). He called journalists "terrible people."


Trump We have to take back the heart of our country - The Washington Post

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, whose caustic comments about Mexicans have inflamed the immigration debate, told thousands of cheering supporters here Saturday that “we have to take back the heart of our country.”

In a rambling, defiant speech delivered in this border state that has been the epicenter of the nation’s divisive battle over immigration reform, Trump declared: “These are people that shouldn’t be in our country. They flow in like water.” One man in the crowd of 4,200 shouted back, “Build a wall!”

Basking in polls that show he has risen to the top of the crowded Republican field, Trump took obvious glee in mocking former Florida governor Jeb Bush, the establishment favorite who is setting fundraising records.

“Jeb Bush, let’s say he’s president — Oy, yoy, yoy,” Trump said. He asked the crowd: “How can I be tied with this guy? He’s terrible. Terrible. He’s weak on immigration.”

Trump’s 70-minute address here, which sounded more like a stream-of-consciousness rant than a presidential-style stump speech, put an exclamation point on his bombastic push since his presidential announcement last month to return immigration to the forefront of the national conversation.


-and-

Republican leaders say they believe the celebrity billionaire has virtually no chance of being their nominee, much less of making it to the White House. And, for now at least, his following seems limited to the far right as opposed to the party’s mainstream...

...Party leaders increasingly fear that Trump could do damage to more viable candidates, such as Bush, who could lose their own footing on immigration. These candidates confront a familiar challenge: During the primary season, they must deal with the anger and anxiety that many on the right feel about illegal immigration. But they must do it in a way that will not damage their appeal to a broader electorate in November 2016.

Republicans are handling Trump delicately for another reason as well: They fear that he could leave the GOP entirely and wage a well-funded third-party campaign, a possibility that Trump has not ruled out...

...But it was his crusade against illegal immigrants that had Trump’s crowd most enthused. After expressing shock that his immigration message has resonated so strongly with the GOP base, Trump said, “The silent majority is back, and we’re going to take the country back.” He walked off the stage to Twisted Sister’s “We’re Not Gonna Take It.”



More to come, this is just the beginning....

So, Don Trump had success in front of a crowd of Libertarians in Nevada and a bunch of white, hard-core Righties in Arizona. Now, let's see what his words do on the national stage, when he's not preaching to his own choir.

Discuss. How did yesterday go for Trump?


Where did he say he was against LEGAL immigration?
 
To listen to Progressives describe Illegal immigration you they they would call a bank robbery, an undocumented withdrawal

Trump finally brought the issue front and center and the Establishment in both parties greets it like Dracula meeting the morning sunrise

They can no longer ignore the elephant in the room
 
Ted Cruz would dismantle Trump in debate. Donald needs to stop with the extemporaneous thought impulses. People agree with much of what he says...but it's emotional to a great degree...need to get down to the nitty gritty of managing the country. Enter Kasich and Walker.
 
Ted Cruz would dismantle Trump in debate. Donald needs to stop with the extemporaneous thought impulses. People agree with much of what he says...but it's emotional to a great degree...need to get down to the nitty gritty of managing the country. Enter Kasich and Walker.

He would do better in debate against Trump.

Neither have a chance against Hillary Clinton.
 
To listen to Progressives describe Illegal immigration you they they would call a bank robbery, an undocumented withdrawal

Trump finally brought the issue front and center and the Establishment in both parties greets it like Dracula meeting the morning sunrise
The issue has been front and center for a long time. No one is solving the problem. Our current policies are keeping it in check, but the Congress refuses to take further steps, including the funding of increased holding facilities and prisons for illegal felons. Trump is offering no rational or reasonable alternative solutions.
 
Anti illegal immigration....GFY.


You seem angry, but then again, you are a Rightie, I expect you to be angry.

Yawwwwwnnnn....
No actually we are happy. You pissing your self over Trump is very amusing. Plus all this free attention he gets from your kind is priceless. He is the one that could crush Hillary and you are helping! Can you imagine Hillary trying to go after Trump's affairs? While married to Bill? Lol Go after his money, all Trump would have to do is show pictures of the Clinton's mansions. Shady business deals, white water? Lol Leadership, can I say Bengazi? Bankruptcy? Poor Hillary left the Whitehouse dead broke, I mean a broke first lady? Lol bring it on liberals. Trump will crush the liberal agenda!
 
Wow. It is so clear to me that the majority of the posters in the thread haven't even watched this video. I don't care for this guy at all. Frankly, he sort of reminds me of Hitler.

But, on balance, every politician out there spouts rhetoric and lies. For folks to repeat MSM lies about what he is saying is ignorant. I don't know why people just don't LISTEN to what he has actually said.

Trump on Abortion

• Donald Trump is pro life.

• Although Trump opposes abortion he respects the rights of women to make their own choices.

• The only abortion procedure Trump feels should be banned is partial birth abortion.

Trump on Afghanistan

• Donald Trump thinks we should withdraw from Afghanistan as soon as possible.

• He said that giving a withdrawal date was “a stupid mistake”,

• He believes now that the Taliban knows when the U.S. will withdraw, they will merely wait for us to go and re-take the country.

Trump on the Budget

• Donald Trump thinks that if something isn’t done soon, we’ll have a crash worse than that of 1929.

• In 1999, he proposed taxing the rich with a one-time 14.25% tax to erase the national debt, which he still thinks is a good idea.

• He said that such a plan would save billions annually in interest payments.

• Eliminating debt would boost the economy 35% and income taxes could be lowered.

Trump on Business & Labor

• Trump believes the biggest danger to both business and labor is China.

• He believes that we are rebuilding China instead of taking care of our own country.

• Trumps thinks that If we’d alter our trade policies, we could pay off the debt and start creating more jobs right here.

Trump on Capital Punishment

• Donald Trump says that anyone who takes a life should forfeit their own.

• He said criminals have declared war on decent people and lethal injection is too comfortable.

• 100% of the people executed will never commit another crime.

• He thinks that capital punishment also serves as a deterrent for some.

• Trumps believes that judges should be held accountable for their sentencing. Pedophiles, drunk drivers, murderers and other criminals are often are set free to prey again because of light sentencing.

• He wants to stop the victim culture and recognize what criminals are—bad people who prey on good people and they should be punished as harshly as possible.

Trump on China

• Trump says we give way too many advantages to China and they're laughing at how easy it is to take advantage of the U.S.

• He thinks that we should tax all imports from China 25%. That would encourage buying American and balance out the trade deficit.

• Human rights are important - if the Chinese are oppressed, then there shouldn't be much of a market for US goods. We are betraying our principles by allowing them to violate basic rights of their people.

• We should not keep our markets open to countries that oppress their people or steal from us.

• He said that the US makes better products but China manipulates their currency so people almost have to buy Chinese products to stay in business.

• China makes it nearly impossible to do business there but wants our technology and for Americans to buy their products.

Trump on Civil Liberties

• Trump believes diversity is good and has made this country what it is.

• Crimes against people for their race, sexual orientation, religion, etc should be prosecuted as hate crimes with more punitive penalties than random crimes.

• He thinks that big government is the worst threat to civil liberties. Government scrutiny of private individuals is a real threat and curtails liberties. Government should keep to public works and safety and limit itself to that.

Trump on the Deficit

• Donald Trump believes that the deficit would be greatly reduced if government would stay out of things in which it doesn’t do well, which is a very long list.

• He would take the government out of providing public conveniences such as farm subsidies, food safety, energy regulations and transportation and limit it to defending the constitution and our shores. This will save billions, even trillions.

Trump on the Economy

• Trump believes raising taxes is foolish seeing that the US is the highest taxed nation in the world.

• He thinks the economy would improve if we would charge the countries we protect.

Trump on Education

• Donald Trump thinks our education system is in trouble.

• He would teach citizenship and stop 'dumbing down' the curriculum.

• He would make schools safe and be tough on troublemakers.

• Trump says diplomas are often little more than attendance certificates. Lower levels should cover the basics, teach study skills and prepare kids who want higher education.

• He says, forget self esteem, challenge kids and allow small failures. Failing incentivizes kids to do better when handled properly. People fail in life but if properly prepared they will get back up and try again. Schools these days encourage them to give up and nurse their hurt feelings.

• Trump thinks that schools should compete, school choice encourages competition.

• He would do away with the Department of Education and let local and state governments run their schools as they see fit—this would also encourage competition and people would move to the best school districts, growing the economy while providing better education.

Trump on Energy

• Trump thinks we should use our natural resources to solve our energy problems while helping the economy.

• He believes that the US has so much oil in our ocean and we should get it.

• He thinks that we don't use much of our natural gas but we should.

• He said that Abu Dhabi has plenty of oil but just went to natural gas because they want us to buy oil at ridiculous prices. Unless we use our natural resources we’ll always be prisoners of OPEC.

Trump on Foreign Affairs

• Donald Trump wants the US to quit appeasing dictators.

• He knows that foreign policy is not as easy as drawing up a general plan, be thinks we should be deal-makers instead of chess players.

• Deal-makers can put our interests first, know when to back off, when to be tough and never settle for less than America deserves.

• Trump believes that if countries want our help they should have something to give in return other than vague promises of 'working toward democracy'. They need us more than we need them; we should use our leverage to benefit everyone but especially ourselves.

Trump on Gun Control

• Donald Trump generally opposes gun control.

• He thinks that every law abiding citizen should have a gun if they want to.

• Trump believes that assault weapons should be banned, “who needs them except criminals and police?”

• He wants a longer waiting period for hand guns, rifles and shotguns. We should be able to tell within 72 hours if a person has a record or mental issues that would prohibit ownership.

Trump on Health Care

• Donald Trump believes that people should have access to affordable health care.

• He has advocated a single payer system in the past but believes the new health care law is unconstitutional and so costly that it will bankrupt the country.

Trump on Immigration

• Donald Trump thinks that legal immigration should be difficult and illegal immigration should be impossible.

• He believes that we can’t absorb all the illegals and thinks that they’re destroying our economy.

• He wants to take care of our own people first. We’re bankrupting our states with illegals that take advantage of hospital emergency rooms, entitlement programs and public education.

Trump on Iran

• Donald Trump believes that our soldiers have no business in the Middle East.

Trump on Iraq

• Trump believes we should withdraw from Iraq and the Middle East.

• He would not be in Iraq unless our own interests are directly threatened.

• Trump would not offer humanitarian intervention.

Trump on Israel

• Donald Trump maintains that Israel is our best friend.

• He thinks we should do everything we can to protect Israel

• He believes that Israel should be the cornerstone of our policy in the region.

• They’ve always been there for us and we should be there for them. They are the only stable democracy in a region that is not run by dictators. They are pioneers in medicine and communication and a close fair trading partner.
Trump on National Security

• Trump believes that America is ill prepared for a biological attack.

• He would prepare for biological attack by stockpiling and rotating antibiotics and other remedies while training emergency workers.

• He thinks that there should be sensors in major cities for early warning of biological devices activated.

• He thinks that the public should be educated to reduce panic if an attack occurs.

Trump on North Korea

• Trump believes that we should stop North Korean nukes by force if necessary.

Trump on Poverty

• Trump believes that teen moms should not receive assistance unless they meet tough requirements. Living in group homes might reduce further pregnancies by lending moral support.

• He said that there are many people that work out of churches, temples or on their own who want to care for the poor and disadvantaged—let them, and restrict public assistance.

• He thinks that states, cities and counties should partner with faith-based charitable organizations and others. He believes that communities should work together instead of depending on public assistance.

Trump on Same Sex Issues

• Donald Trump is not in favor of same sex marriage.
Trump on the Issues
 
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