Soldiers have a "Duty to Refuse" illegal orders

[PeterPilot]

My fellow conservatives think it’s a crime not to say which illegal orders have been issued.

Shall I cry you and your esteemed colleagues a river?

Can we use the results of those orders, innocent civilians killed without a trial, or must you have the exact words and orders so that you can pretend they don't exist?

What crime am I guilty of in not saying which illegal orders have been issued?

Are you and your esteemed colleagues adults or children?

 

[PeterPilot]

Judging by your posts, YOU are our enemy too.

Why am I your enemy? What crime have I committed? Speaking the truth in a time of universal deception?

 

[Deadstick]

The Drug Cartels have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans and the Democrats are defending them.

If this was about drugs why did Trump pardon a Honduran drug Boss who imported 400 tons of Coke into the US.?

 

[Hafar1014]

This article contains references to US Military books regarding a duty to refuse illegal orders.

Soldiers Have ‘Duty To Refuse’ Hegseth’s Order To Commit War Crimes - LewRockwell

My post on Trump’s war on Venezuela two days ago mentioned a Washington Post report (archived) about a war crime directly ordered by U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth: The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command...

www.lewrockwell.com

Will Hegseth and complicit sailors be charged?

What illegal orders? How about disrupting the chain of command

 

[PeterPilot]

If this was about drugs why did Trump pardon a Honduran drug Boss who imported 400kgs of Coke into the US.?

Hush, the Trump fans want to pretend that didn't happen.

 

[Deadstick]

A nice long winded screed that says nothing.

Your specialty.

What it says is the truth and you know it, that's what makes it worse you agree with this gangsterism.

 

[Deadstick]

Hush, the Trump fans want to pretend that didn't happen.

I got the numbers wrong it was 400 Tons of coke.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

This article contains references to US Military books regarding a duty to refuse illegal orders.

Soldiers Have ‘Duty To Refuse’ Hegseth’s Order To Commit War Crimes - LewRockwell

My post on Trump’s war on Venezuela two days ago mentioned a Washington Post report (archived) about a war crime directly ordered by U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth: The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command...

www.lewrockwell.com

Will Hegseth and complicit sailors be charged?

Hegseth's view on unlawful order & war crimes - then & now:
MSN

 

[Deadstick]

This was just one more war crime and massacre the US carried out and got away with, nothing has changed with those rats since Vietnam and all the massacres, how those Marines could go home and look their own children in the eye is nauseating.

The Haditha Massacre Photos That the Military Didn’t Want the World to See

When U.S. Marines killed twenty-four people in an Iraqi town, they also recorded the aftermath of their actions. For years, the military tried to keep these photos from the public.

www.newyorker.com

 

[PeterPilot]

This was just one more war crime and massacre the US carried out and got away with, nothing has changed with those rats since Vietnam and all the massacres, how those Marines could go home and look their own children in the eye is nauseating.

The Haditha Massacre Photos That the Military Didn’t Want the World to See

When U.S. Marines killed twenty-four people in an Iraqi town, they also recorded the aftermath of their actions. For years, the military tried to keep these photos from the public.

www.newyorker.com

Though we have not had a legitimate war since WWII, all wars are hell. Common sense. That's why humans try to avoid it. That is but one reason Ike warned about the military industrial complex way back in 1961.

Wars bring death and injury, moral and physical.

 

[Rawley]

An actual WAR vs. Not.

Uh. We didn't declare actual WAR against any country. Obama killed 3,700 people, hundreds of civilians, in seven different countries. And you didn't say shit about it.

 

[justoffal]

This article contains references to US Military books regarding a duty to refuse illegal orders.

Soldiers Have ‘Duty To Refuse’ Hegseth’s Order To Commit War Crimes - LewRockwell

My post on Trump’s war on Venezuela two days ago mentioned a Washington Post report (archived) about a war crime directly ordered by U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth: The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command...

www.lewrockwell.com

Will Hegseth and complicit sailors be charged?

Soldiers can also be caught Marshalled for not following orders. Good luck sorting that one out.
You're going to have to prove that the order was illegal in the first place and that just can't be done.

 

[Papageorgio]

Venezuela is not alone, all the drugs don't go through them. A lot run through Venezuela to the Caribbean, go to Europe.

Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths - BBC​

www.bbc.com › news › world-us-canada...
Mar 7, 2019 · There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office, ...

Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths

The US will not have to publish how many civilians are killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.

www.bbc.com

An actual WAR vs. Not.

The Venezuelan government is complicit in the murder of millions of people, they get paid, they ignore and the promote the illegal drug trade. Millions of Americans die every year from the drugs brought into this country, we are at war now, and unless Venezuela stops the drug running, they are an enemy of our country.

 

[toobfreak]

My fellow conservatives think it’s a crime not to say which illegal orders have been issued.

Wait a minute. You just admitted you're not a conservative. Modus Ponens:

1. Conservatives think it a crime to incite military to disaffect and not even be able to specify the alleged illegal order.
2. You cannot name any illegal order.
3. You do not feel any crime has been comitted in said video by these congressmen.
4. Therefore, not P hence not Q, you cannot be a conservative.

 

[Deadstick]

Though we have not had a legitimate war since WWII, all wars are hell. Common sense. That's why humans try to avoid it. That is but one reason Ike warned about the military industrial complex way back in 1961.

Wars bring death and injury, moral and physical.

Very true, but that massacre was not war it was cold blooded murder of unarmed civilians including Children as you can see in the photos.

 

[Deadstick]

The Venezuelan government is complicit in the murder of millions of people, they get paid, they ignore and the promote the illegal drug trade. Millions of Americans die every year from the drugs brought into this country, we are at war now, and unless Venezuela stops the drug running, they are an enemy of our country.

Who told you that? that's right the CIA known drug dealers and Trump who just pardoned a Honduran drug boss who imported 400 tons of Coke into the US, you are full of shit.

 

[dudmuck]

Soldiers can also be caught Marshalled for not following orders. Good luck sorting that one out.
You're going to have to prove that the order was illegal in the first place and that just can't be done.

 

[PeterPilot]

Very true, but that massacre was not war it was cold blooded murder of unarmed civilians including Children as you can see in the photos.

I am presently just one chapter into Donald Jeffries' book The American Memory Hole. In that chapter he describes certain events in the Mexican-American War in the 1850s. Such massacres as you describe also took place there, with US soldiers butchering Mexican civilians, women and children. War brings out the worst in humans.

 

[Deadstick]

I am presently just one chapter into Donald Jeffries' book The American Memory Hole. In that chapter he describes certain events in the Mexican-American War in the 1850s. Such massacres as you describe also took place there, with US soldiers butchering Mexican civilians, women and children. War brings out the worst in humans.

They have been doing it forever but so have the British, just look up the Black and Tans in Ireland and what we did in India, we have just had another scandal in the UK a whistle blower said some Special forces murdered prisoners and civilians in Afghanistan.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

"In 1921 a German court sentenced two officers to years in prison because they had followed the illegal order of the submarine’s captain, Helmut Brümmer-Patzig, to kill the survivors.


According to the footnote in the LoWM the court said:


“It is certainly to be urged in favor of the military subordinates, that they are under no obligation to question the order of their superior officer, and they can count upon its legality. But no such confidence can be held to exist, if such an order is universally known to everybody, including also the accused, to be without any doubt whatever against the law. This happens only in rare and exceptional cases. But this case was precisely one of them, for in the present instance, it was perfectly clear to the accused that killing defenceless people in the life-boats could be nothing else but a breach of the law. As naval officers by profession they were well aware, as the naval expert Saalwiachter has strikingly stated, that one is not legally authorized to kill defenceless people. They well knew that this was the case here. They quickly found out the facts by questioning the occupants in the boats when these were stopped. They could only have gathered, from the order given by Patzig, that he wished to make use of his subordinates to carry out a breach of the law. They should, therefore, have refused to obey.”

Soldiers Have ‘Duty To Refuse’ Hegseth’s Order To Commit War Crimes - LewRockwell

The Killing of Unarmed Combatants, &/or Unarmed Civilians is simply put ..... MURDER.

An Order to commit "Murder", is Absolutely an Unlawful Order".