Solar Output Not CO2 Drives the Climate.

So, a very small amount of something cannot affect a large complex system. I suggest, since you consider that to be true, that you try ingesting one gram of potassium cyanide. Look how much you weigh and how very small one gram is. Cannot possibly affect you, correct?
 
I can't find it, but I read somewhere that the solar scientists (that would be the guys that study the sun manmouth) believe that we are actually heading into another Maunder Minimum that could last about 65 to 90 years.
 
That would not support the idea that TSI is driving global warming.
 
And what would be your basis for that claim?
The fact that your data is always. You never provide the raw data. And, to top that off, like the picture presented here is faked.


My data is always?

Can we assume, then, that you have decided to reject ALL global temperature datasets? All have been "adjusted" in one way or another. And can we also assume that you have some good reason for believing that data adjustments are never required? That time of day effects don't exist; that all interpolations have been optimally performed? Can we assume that you believe human structures and activities in the vicinity of temperature gauges have no affect? Can we assume that you can show altitude has no effect on temperature readings? Windspeed? Relative humidity? Can we assume that you believe it improper to adjust station data based on satellite and borehole data?

One more time. Show us why you believe - and why you think we should believe - that these data are "faked".
 
And, again, if you have global temperature data that shows a correlation with TSI, I'd very much like to see them.

If you don't, the claim that such a correlation exists is nothing but wishful thinking.
 
And what would be your basis for that claim?
The fact that your data is always. You never provide the raw data. And, to top that off, like the picture presented here is faked.


My data is always?

Can we assume, then, that you have decided to reject ALL global temperature datasets? All have been "adjusted" in one way or another. And can we also assume that you have some good reason for believing that data adjustments are never required? That time of day effects don't exist; that all interpolations have been optimally performed? Can we assume that you believe human structures and activities in the vicinity of temperature gauges have no affect? Can we assume that you can show altitude has no effect on temperature readings? Windspeed? Relative humidity? Can we assume that you believe it improper to adjust station data based on satellite and borehole data?

One more time. Show us why you believe - and why you think we should believe - that these data are "faked".
once again, they are adjusted. You admit they are, you have no idea the reason for the adjustments. Why would past temperatures need to be changed? I asked that a while ago in another thread. You won't answer. That means something fishy is occurring if you can't explain it. comprend-a?
 
great attack but you still never answered one question. very scientific of you doctor strange love. go fuck yourself before I get mad at you.

The lack of ANY critical thinking skills is readily apparent. Quite Frankly, I dont give a shit if your mad or offended.. Please take you own advice about fucking yourself.. I for one wont stand around waiting for you fools to take my freedoms and my ability to be self reliant. Socialism is failure plain and simple.
billy bob, you do shit for yourself and you know it. if this pyramid scheme should crumble and die so shall both our private "kingsdoms" you stupid hilly billy bob. love ya tho.
 
So, a very small amount of something cannot affect a large complex system. I suggest, since you consider that to be true, that you try ingesting one gram of potassium cyanide. Look how much you weigh and how very small one gram is. Cannot possibly affect you, correct?

:Lets see.. To date, all warming is attributed to natural variation. I have challenged you with facts and empirical evidence yet you choose not to respond with any facts showing how 120ppm of CO2 has changed anything. Your the one who is factless. I am still waiting for you to show empirical evidence of what you state is occurring.
 
That would not support the idea that TSI is driving global warming.

99% of all warming is spurious and induced by unnecessary alteration and homogenization of the records. Your 'correlation' of TSI and imaginary warming, as it has stopped, is purely conjecture unsupported by the facts.
 
Is this not your thread? Are you not siding with Willie Soon here: claiming that all warming is solar in origin?

I am not suggesting a correlation. I've been saying that YOU need to find one if you ever plan to make a case.

F'chrissakes. You can't even remember the point you're trying to argue.

PS: Why is it the world's climate scientists have no objection to those warming? Seems as if their are two possibilities. The adjustments by the various nation-level science institutions holding those data are completely justified or all climate scientist (and, given the massive silence, it would have to be ALL) are lying thieves. I'll tell you which of those I find more likely, but, somehow, I'm not so sure we share the same reality, Billy Boy.

PPS: another possibility is that you don't know what TSI stands for. Could that be possible?
 
Is this not your thread? Are you not siding with Willie Soon here: claiming that all warming is solar in origin?

I am not suggesting a correlation. I've been saying that YOU need to find one if you ever plan to make a case.

F'chrissakes. You can't even remember the point you're trying to argue.

PS: Why is it the world's climate scientists have no objection to those warming? Seems as if their are two possibilities. The adjustments by the various nation-level science institutions holding those data are completely justified or all climate scientist (and, given the massive silence, it would have to be ALL) are lying thieves. I'll tell you which of those I find more likely, but, somehow, I'm not so sure we share the same reality, Billy Boy.

PPS: another possibility is that you don't know what TSI stands for. Could that be possible?
Name those scientists, you know, all of them!
 
Is this not your thread? Are you not siding with Willie Soon here: claiming that all warming is solar in origin?

I am not suggesting a correlation. I've been saying that YOU need to find one if you ever plan to make a case.

F'chrissakes. You can't even remember the point you're trying to argue.

PS: Why is it the world's climate scientists have no objection to those warming? Seems as if their are two possibilities. The adjustments by the various nation-level science institutions holding those data are completely justified or all climate scientist (and, given the massive silence, it would have to be ALL) are lying thieves. I'll tell you which of those I find more likely, but, somehow, I'm not so sure we share the same reality, Billy Boy.

PPS: another possibility is that you don't know what TSI stands for. Could that be possible?
"Total Solar Irradience" is not all inclusive as is Total Solar Output. You dont seem to know the difference.
 
again, what about all the poison in the gas? who cares? go see if the chinese are starting to care. go live there cause we all soon will be there if we don't run from fossil fuel we will all be fossils
US cars and trucks are the cleanest in the world as are our Coal Fired Electrical Generation plants... The problems are not here in the US but overseas, yet for some reason you communist slugs want to destroy our country and economy...
yes we have the MOST cars getting the same 30 miles or less a gallon they did decades ago. you are a fool selling the planet's limited natural resources so a few can be billionaires at all our expenses. a curse upon you and all your kin is what you've done. your a moron and morons go extinct thank God.
Yes the whole mileage scam is a fact. The point is how the Leftyoon whackos think they can control nature.
 
Is this not your thread? Are you not siding with Willie Soon here: claiming that all warming is solar in origin?

I am not suggesting a correlation. I've been saying that YOU need to find one if you ever plan to make a case.

F'chrissakes. You can't even remember the point you're trying to argue.

PS: Why is it the world's climate scientists have no objection to those warming? Seems as if their are two possibilities. The adjustments by the various nation-level science institutions holding those data are completely justified or all climate scientist (and, given the massive silence, it would have to be ALL) are lying thieves. I'll tell you which of those I find more likely, but, somehow, I'm not so sure we share the same reality, Billy Boy.

PPS: another possibility is that you don't know what TSI stands for. Could that be possible?
"Total Solar Irradience" is not all inclusive as is Total Solar Output. You dont seem to know the difference.
OK, Billy Boob, just why don't you explain the differance? Does it have something to do with excited solar molecules?
 
"Total Solar Irradience" is not all inclusive as is Total Solar Output. You dont seem to know the difference.

Really?

From Wikipedia:

Total solar irradiance
The total solar irradiance (TSI) is the amount of solar radiative energy incident on the Earth's upper atmosphere. TSI variations were undetectable until satellite observations began in late 1978. A series of radiometers carried on satellites from the 1970s to the 2000s.[13]TSI differed from 1360 to 1370 W/m2 across ten satellites. The controversial 1989-1991 “ACRIM gap” between non-overlapping satellites has been interpolated by an ACRIM composite showing +0.037%/decade rise by the ACRIM group, and a PMOD composite with a -0.008%/decade downward trend by the PMOD group.[14] This 0.045%/decade difference strongly impacts climate models.

Satellite measurements show that solar irradiance varies systematically over the 11-year sunspot cycle,[15] both in total irradiance and in the relative components of the irradiance (UV Light ratios to Visible Light Ratios). The solar luminosity is about 0.07 percent brighter during solar maximum than during solar minimum. Photospheric magnetism appears to be the primary cause (96%) of 1996-2013 TSI variation.[16] Observations from spacecraft in the 2000s showed that the ratio of ultraviolet to visible light is much more variable than previously thought.[17]
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Oddly, there is no Wikipedia entry for "total solar output". They do have one for "solar luminosity" which term appears on the quote above. It's article defines the term "The solar luminosity, L☉, is a unit of radiant flux (power emitted in the form ofphotons) conventionally used by astronomers to measure the luminosity of stars. One solar luminosity is equal to the current accepted luminosity of the Sun, which is 3.846×1026 W, or 3.846×1033 erg/s.[2] This does not include the solar neutrino luminosity, which would add 0.023 L☉.[3]

Obviously, this is no different than TSI unless you want to suggest global warming is being caused by alterations in the sun's neutrino flux.

After having gone through several other Wikipedia articles and a number of Google search results, I can find NO solar parameter termed "total solar output". I find the phrase used on a few occasions, but in each case it was simply the author's substitution for TSI.

Let's see how you think TSI and "total solar output" differ, Billy boy.

Then, you can show us the correlation with Earth's global temperatures; any set you care to use. Mind you, though, we'll judge you by the tools you choose.
 
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The fact my old 69' Chevy gets 30 miles to the gallon. You are a Mllennial. We folks who have actually had life experience forgive you.
 
The fact my old 69' Chevy gets 30 miles to the gallon. You are a Mllennial. We folks who have actually had life experience forgive you.
Which has to do with what? How does that relate to solar output? Or are you just attempting to prove that you are a silly troll?
 
Really?

From Wikipedia:

Total solar irradiance
The total solar irradiance (TSI) is the amount of solar radiative energy incident on the Earth's upper atmosphere. TSI variations were undetectable until satellite observations began in late 1978. A series of radiometers carried on satellites from the 1970s to the 2000s.[13]TSI differed from 1360 to 1370 W/m2 across ten satellites. The controversial 1989-1991 “ACRIM gap” between non-overlapping satellites has been interpolated by an ACRIM composite showing +0.037%/decade rise by the ACRIM group, and a PMOD composite with a -0.008%/decade downward trend by the PMOD group.[14] This 0.045%/decade difference strongly impacts climate models.

Satellite measurements show that solar irradiance varies systematically over the 11-year sunspot cycle,[15] both in total irradiance and in the relative components of the irradiance (UV Light ratios to Visible Light Ratios). The solar luminosity is about 0.07 percent brighter during solar maximum than during solar minimum. Photospheric magnetism appears to be the primary cause (96%) of 1996-2013 TSI variation.[16] Observations from spacecraft in the 2000s showed that the ratio of ultraviolet to visible light is much more variable than previously thought.[17]
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Oddly, there is no Wikipedia entry for "total solar output". They do have one for "solar luminosity" which term appears on the quote above. It's article defines the term "The solar luminosity, L☉, is a unit of radiant flux (power emitted in the form ofphotons) conventionally used by astronomers to measure the luminosity of stars. One solar luminosity is equal to the current accepted luminosity of the Sun, which is 3.846×1026 W, or 3.846×1033 erg/s.[2] This does not include the solar neutrino luminosity, which would add 0.023 L☉.[3]

Obviously, this is no different than TSI unless you want to suggest global warming is being caused by alterations in the sun's neutrino flux.

After having gone through several other Wikipedia articles and a number of Google search results, I can find NO solar parameter termed "total solar output". I find the phrase used on a few occasions, but in each case it was simply the author's substitution for TSI.

Let's see how you think TSI and "total solar output" differ, Billy boy.

Then, you can show us the correlation with Earth's global temperatures; any set you care to use. Mind you, though, we'll judge you by the tools you choose.

TSI does not include the magnetic waves, which go unseen and unrecorded for the most part

Unexpectedly powerful magnetic waves could help explain the super-hot nature of the sun's outer shell, researchers say.

The sun's outermost layer, or corona, can reach temperatures as high as 3.5 million degrees Fahrenheit (2 million degrees Celsius), more than 20 times hotter than its surface, and blast out a wind of electrically charged particles traveling at hundreds of miles per second. All this activity requires energy, but what provides the energy has been a mystery.

Magnetic waves known as Alfvén waves from the cool lower solar atmosphere had long been proposed as the source, but there had been scant evidence that such waves were powerful and abundant enough to power the corona.{Amazing Sun Photos from Space| ...

It remains uncertain how the magnetic waves on the sun transfer their energy to the matter in the corona to heat or accelerate it. In addition, the waves the researchers observed did not appear sufficient to account for the intense emissions of radiation from more-energetic regions of the corona. "We have work left to do with active regions," McIntosh said.

There is much we still do not know about our sun and what drives many things.. those waves also affect the earth and are not accounted for in TSI.

Source

Using wiki as a source is laughable...
 
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