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[BS Filter]

This is why globalism is the logical conclusion of capitalism.


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Globalism is the opposite of individualism...
With globalism you have international law and All kinds of foolishness like that...

Globalism removes barriers to making money. Capitalism does not care about individualism, it cares about profit.


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Business isn't supposed to care about people. That's up to people.

And then people turn to the government to force the businesses to care. It is a crazy cycle

That's hypothetical BS. Businesses don't and can't "care". People that work in a business can "care", not a business.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

This is why globalism is the logical conclusion of capitalism.


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Globalism is the opposite of individualism...
With globalism you have international law and All kinds of foolishness like that...

Globalism removes barriers to making money. Capitalism does not care about individualism, it cares about profit.


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Business isn't supposed to care about people. That's up to people.

And then people turn to the government to force the businesses to care. It is a crazy cycle

That's hypothetical BS. Businesses don't and can't "care". People that work in a business can "care", not a business.

People that work in a business are there to make money for said business, that is their reason for being there.

When you are cooking the fries at Wendy's, you should care about making the best fries as that makes them the most money.

When I do an estimate or a study for my employer I care that it is the most accurate as it can be because that makes him money and also makes me more valuable which equals to me getting paid more.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Capitalism does not care about state sovereignty or borders or nationalism.


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Bullshit.

Nope, it is 100% accurate. In capitalism the only reason for a business to exist is to make money. All else is secondary to this purpose.

Making money knows no nationality nor border.




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The country where the business is built has to give permission to do business there.

And that is there the socialism and statism comes into play. The country where the business is built want to control that company...and you agree with them.

Seems that makes you the socialist in the group.

Nothing to do with socialism. When government representatives vote to give a business permission to do business in their country, that has nothing to do with socialism.

Any limitation that the country puts on the business is less freedom that the business has and the lower their ability to make money.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Globalism removes barriers to making money. Capitalism does not care about individualism, it cares about profit.


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Right up until it interferes with personal rights… Like gun control

Capitalism does not care about such things.


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Individuals capitalizing definitely care about personal rights

Only their own. If taking rights away from you makes me more money....well too bad for you! That is capitalism baby!


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Shitty way to live number 2 and 3. I trust my wife, I depend on my wife. To not do either of those things would be stupid on my part

 

[BS Filter]

Globalism is the opposite of individualism...
With globalism you have international law and All kinds of foolishness like that...

Globalism removes barriers to making money. Capitalism does not care about individualism, it cares about profit.


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Business isn't supposed to care about people. That's up to people.

And then people turn to the government to force the businesses to care. It is a crazy cycle

That's hypothetical BS. Businesses don't and can't "care". People that work in a business can "care", not a business.

People that work in a business are there to make money for said business, that is their reason for being there.

When you are cooking the fries at Wendy's, you should care about making the best fries as that makes them the most money.

When I do an estimate or a study for my employer I care that it is the most accurate as it can be because that makes him money and also makes me more valuable which equals to me getting paid more.

Agree, but that has nothing to do with socialism.

 

[BS Filter]

Bullshit.

Nope, it is 100% accurate. In capitalism the only reason for a business to exist is to make money. All else is secondary to this purpose.

Making money knows no nationality nor border.




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The country where the business is built has to give permission to do business there.

And that is there the socialism and statism comes into play. The country where the business is built want to control that company...and you agree with them.

Seems that makes you the socialist in the group.

Nothing to do with socialism. When government representatives vote to give a business permission to do business in their country, that has nothing to do with socialism.

Any limitation that the country puts on the business is less freedom that the business has and the lower their ability to make money.

Agree, and if it takes too big a bit out of their profits and costs too much to do business there, they will not go there. Amazon proved that with the socialists in NY City.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Nope, it is 100% accurate. In capitalism the only reason for a business to exist is to make money. All else is secondary to this purpose.

Making money knows no nationality nor border.




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The country where the business is built has to give permission to do business there.

And that is there the socialism and statism comes into play. The country where the business is built want to control that company...and you agree with them.

Seems that makes you the socialist in the group.

Nothing to do with socialism. When government representatives vote to give a business permission to do business in their country, that has nothing to do with socialism.

Any limitation that the country puts on the business is less freedom that the business has and the lower their ability to make money.

Agree, and if it takes too big a bit out of their profits and costs too much to do business there, they will not go there. Amazon proved that with the socialists in NY City.

But you are ok with it, but to a certain point. The only difference between you and the socialists in NY is how far you want the government to go in controlling the business. I do not seem to recall you being upset about the socialists tariffs that have been placed on products that people in this country buy from other countries.

 

[BS Filter]

The country where the business is built has to give permission to do business there.

And that is there the socialism and statism comes into play. The country where the business is built want to control that company...and you agree with them.

Seems that makes you the socialist in the group.

Nothing to do with socialism. When government representatives vote to give a business permission to do business in their country, that has nothing to do with socialism.

Any limitation that the country puts on the business is less freedom that the business has and the lower their ability to make money.

Agree, and if it takes too big a bit out of their profits and costs too much to do business there, they will not go there. Amazon proved that with the socialists in NY City.

But you are ok with it, but to a certain point. The only difference between you and the socialists in NY is how far you want the government to go in controlling the business. I do not seem to recall you being upset about the socialists tariffs that have been placed on products that people in this country buy from other countries.

Whatever. We disagree in definitions.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And that is there the socialism and statism comes into play. The country where the business is built want to control that company...and you agree with them.

Seems that makes you the socialist in the group.

Nothing to do with socialism. When government representatives vote to give a business permission to do business in their country, that has nothing to do with socialism.

Any limitation that the country puts on the business is less freedom that the business has and the lower their ability to make money.

Agree, and if it takes too big a bit out of their profits and costs too much to do business there, they will not go there. Amazon proved that with the socialists in NY City.

But you are ok with it, but to a certain point. The only difference between you and the socialists in NY is how far you want the government to go in controlling the business. I do not seem to recall you being upset about the socialists tariffs that have been placed on products that people in this country buy from other countries.

Whatever. We disagree in definitions.

Which is the whole point of this thread.

We see a dozen threads a week about the evils of socialism, yet none of the people making the threads can even agree what it is. We are 17 pages into this thread and still nobody has given any examples of true socialist countries in the world today.

The way the word is used, anything, or nothing could be socialism. It has become a meaningless buzz word

 

[debbiedowner]

Tell me, in your own words what is socialism. Define it for me please, in your own words.


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Ok, Here is what I think socialism is. First of all it’s been tried in every form and countless times, So it has 100% failure as a track record.
And “this time” it will not work just like every other time...
It relies on everyone to do the same thing no exceptions, it relies on human nature to be good which obviously it’s not.
It depends on the collective which is always evil… And it’s means of prosperity relies on redistribution. Which at its very core is wrong in every sense of the word.
And this time they are using political correctness to control people into thinking it’s something new… There again the fact remains Socialism has a 100% fail rate long-term. There is nothing new under the sun.

You were asked for a definition...even YOUR definition and instead we got a rant.

Oh...

Well, I like millions of other Americans can’t think of anything worse than socialism.
Of course I’m going to reject it with every part of my being.
Any sort of freedom and socialism cannot coexist… That’s just the facts

Yep, maybe we should get rid of the police and fire departments, the interstate system, water service, garbage service, etc.

Lol
You do realize the private sector built and paid for all of that...

Well I guess those bills I get for most of these services along with my neighbors is not distributing the money to build these systems. We also pay for fire services. The private citizens I am sure you meant.

 

[debbiedowner]

Nothing to do with socialism. When government representatives vote to give a business permission to do business in their country, that has nothing to do with socialism.

Any limitation that the country puts on the business is less freedom that the business has and the lower their ability to make money.

Agree, and if it takes too big a bit out of their profits and costs too much to do business there, they will not go there. Amazon proved that with the socialists in NY City.

But you are ok with it, but to a certain point. The only difference between you and the socialists in NY is how far you want the government to go in controlling the business. I do not seem to recall you being upset about the socialists tariffs that have been placed on products that people in this country buy from other countries.

Whatever. We disagree in definitions.

Which is the whole point of this thread.

We see a dozen threads a week about the evils of socialism, yet none of the people making the threads can even agree what it is. We are 17 pages into this thread and still nobody has given any examples of true socialist countries in the world today.

The way the word is used, anything, or nothing could be socialism. It has become a meaningless buzz word

They're just parroting the trumpster. If he told them on national tv to shit their pants it would happen. Not much worse that a simplistic follower with no ideas of their own.

 

[BS Filter]

Nothing to do with socialism. When government representatives vote to give a business permission to do business in their country, that has nothing to do with socialism.

Any limitation that the country puts on the business is less freedom that the business has and the lower their ability to make money.

Agree, and if it takes too big a bit out of their profits and costs too much to do business there, they will not go there. Amazon proved that with the socialists in NY City.

But you are ok with it, but to a certain point. The only difference between you and the socialists in NY is how far you want the government to go in controlling the business. I do not seem to recall you being upset about the socialists tariffs that have been placed on products that people in this country buy from other countries.

Whatever. We disagree in definitions.

Which is the whole point of this thread.

We see a dozen threads a week about the evils of socialism, yet none of the people making the threads can even agree what it is. We are 17 pages into this thread and still nobody has given any examples of true socialist countries in the world today.

The way the word is used, anything, or nothing could be socialism. It has become a meaningless buzz word

Socialism is guaranteed income by the government. Socialism is healthcare for everyone that should work but don't. Socialism is free food for people that won't work but are able.

 

[BS Filter]

Any limitation that the country puts on the business is less freedom that the business has and the lower their ability to make money.

Agree, and if it takes too big a bit out of their profits and costs too much to do business there, they will not go there. Amazon proved that with the socialists in NY City.

But you are ok with it, but to a certain point. The only difference between you and the socialists in NY is how far you want the government to go in controlling the business. I do not seem to recall you being upset about the socialists tariffs that have been placed on products that people in this country buy from other countries.

Whatever. We disagree in definitions.

Which is the whole point of this thread.

We see a dozen threads a week about the evils of socialism, yet none of the people making the threads can even agree what it is. We are 17 pages into this thread and still nobody has given any examples of true socialist countries in the world today.

The way the word is used, anything, or nothing could be socialism. It has become a meaningless buzz word

They're just parroting the trumpster. If he told them on national tv to shit their pants it would happen. Not much worse that a simplistic follower with no ideas of their own.

Do you think people should have a guaranteed income from the government if they won't work?

 

[dblack]

The way the word is used, anything, or nothing could be socialism. It has become a meaningless buzz word

Not if you're talking to someone willing to use a dictionary.

Regardless, the labels don't matter. I don't really care whether Medicare for All is considered socialism or not. I don't like it for the same reason either way.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Socialism is guaranteed income by the government. Socialism is healthcare for everyone that should work but don't. Socialism is free food for people that won't work but are able.

That is about as close as anyone has come to giving a definition, thanks for doing that.

Is it socialism to give farmers money not to plant crops?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Is it socialism to give farmers money not to plant crops?

It's wrong. We can debate whether or not it is socialism, but manipulating markets was hardly the intent of the founders when creating the federal government.

 

[BS Filter]

Socialism is guaranteed income by the government. Socialism is healthcare for everyone that should work but don't. Socialism is free food for people that won't work but are able.

That is about as close as anyone has come to giving a definition, thanks for doing that.

Is it socialism to give farmers money not to plant crops?

Nope. That's business subsidy. Is it socialism to bail out a car company going broke because they gave in to union demands and kept people employed that they don't need and pay people for doing little work?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Socialism is guaranteed income by the government. Socialism is healthcare for everyone that should work but don't. Socialism is free food for people that won't work but are able.

That is about as close as anyone has come to giving a definition, thanks for doing that.

Is it socialism to give farmers money not to plant crops?

Nope. That's business subsidy. Is it socialism to bail out a car company going broke because they gave in to union demands and kept people employed that they don't need and pay people for doing little work?

Is a business subsidy not a tool of socialism? It is done to influence the means of production and the price of goods.

 

[BS Filter]

Socialism is guaranteed income by the government. Socialism is healthcare for everyone that should work but don't. Socialism is free food for people that won't work but are able.

That is about as close as anyone has come to giving a definition, thanks for doing that.

Is it socialism to give farmers money not to plant crops?

Nope. That's business subsidy. Is it socialism to bail out a car company going broke because they gave in to union demands and kept people employed that they don't need and pay people for doing little work?

Is a business subsidy not a tool of socialism? It is done to influence the means of production and the price of goods.

Nope. People are working. Socialism is giving money to people that don't or won't work.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Is it socialism to give farmers money not to plant crops?

It's wrong. We can debate whether or not it is socialism, but manipulating markets was hardly the intent of the founders when creating the federal government.

While I do not disagree, I do not think that our founding fathers could have ever imagined that our country would be as large and diverse as it is.