Socialism threads bandwagon

[dblack]

Piss off troll.

you are the only troll. i have arguments.

want to argue about it, troll?

Piss off troll.

I am not the troll. I have good arguments and don't need to troll; unlike the right wing.

Piss off troll.

let it go. you two have ruined my perfectly good thread.

Sorry. This jackass ruins every thread he shits in. I'm not playing along.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

United States of America...

Alright being serious I would list Norway, Finland and Sweden as Socialist Nations.

Does anyone disagree?

I think in the way the word is used today, you are correct. They do not fall under the more traditional definition of state owned means of production, but they would fall under what is labeled as socialism in our country today.

They are all very successful with some of the happiest people on the planet. So if you would call them socialist, what does that say about socialism?

Which is why most on the "right" will not allow those countries to be called socialist.

That is funny. By the definition most of them seem to use they would be socialist. I don’t agree with that definition.

which was the point of this thread. There is no set definition, it changes more often than people change their underwear.

Same thing can be said about Conservatism and you have different Conservative movements from Socisl to Fiscal.

No state has been a true state of Marxism but some have claimed to be influenced by it even if they fell far short of the meaning.

So is there a true Socialist State?

No, just like there is no true nation ran by pure Capitalism...

 

[Rustic]

 

[danielpalos]

only Trolls, say that. why be a troll.

Piss off troll.

you are the only troll. i have arguments.

want to argue about it, troll?

Piss off troll.

I am not the troll. I have good arguments and don't need to troll; unlike the right wing.

Piss off troll.

projecting much?

 

[danielpalos]

Piss off troll.

you are the only troll. i have arguments.

want to argue about it, troll?

Piss off troll.

I am not the troll. I have good arguments and don't need to troll; unlike the right wing.

Piss off troll.

let it go. you two have ruined my perfectly good thread.

he is the Troll; he has no argument Only the fallacy of an ad hominem.

 

[danielpalos]

you are the only troll. i have arguments.

want to argue about it, troll?

Piss off troll.

I am not the troll. I have good arguments and don't need to troll; unlike the right wing.

Piss off troll.

let it go. you two have ruined my perfectly good thread.

Sorry. This jackass ruins every thread he shits in. I'm not playing along.

i ruin nothing. it is just your cognitive dissonance.

 

[Rigby5]

I think in the way the word is used today, you are correct. They do not fall under the more traditional definition of state owned means of production, but they would fall under what is labeled as socialism in our country today.

They are all very successful with some of the happiest people on the planet. So if you would call them socialist, what does that say about socialism?

Which is why most on the "right" will not allow those countries to be called socialist.

That is funny. By the definition most of them seem to use they would be socialist. I don’t agree with that definition.

which was the point of this thread. There is no set definition, it changes more often than people change their underwear.

Same thing can be said about Conservatism and you have different Conservative movements from Socisl to Fiscal.

No state has been a true state of Marxism but some have claimed to be influenced by it even if they fell far short of the meaning.

So is there a true Socialist State?

No, just like there is no true nation ran by pure Capitalism...

I would not say that there were no pure capitalist or socialist states.

Capitalism is profit motivated, and when Stalin controlled everything in the USSR, that was purely all for his own personal profit.
That was pure capitalism.
It can't be communism or socialism, because they both imply group, collective, and collaborative ownership. Which means group, collective, and collaborative decision making as well as profit sharing.
Under the USSR there was no group, collective, or collaborative decision making or profit sharing.
So clearly the USSR was total capitalism.
And in fact, all feudal states and slavery were pretty much pure capitalism.

Since socialism and communism imply group, collective, and collaborative decision making, then socialism and communism always have to allow for the group to collectively decide to allow particular instances of capitalism.
Socialism and communism do NOT at all demand that all enterprises be collectively and collaboratively owned or operated.

 

[dblack]

Piss off troll.

I am not the troll. I have good arguments and don't need to troll; unlike the right wing.

Piss off troll.

let it go. you two have ruined my perfectly good thread.

Sorry. This jackass ruins every thread he shits in. I'm not playing along.

i ruin nothing. it is just your cognitive dissonance.

You're a ******* troll. Classic definition. You have nothing of value to say. You draw from a stock of meaningless phrases designed to provoke, without ever investing yourself in a real discussion. You derail every thread you enter with your incoherent crap.

You seem to have this image of yourself as a cryptic sage or something, but that's only the drugs talking. You're an idiot stoner with a desperate need for attention.

Anyway - this is the last time you're getting anything out of me besides "Piss off troll". Get used to it.

 

[danielpalos]

I am not the troll. I have good arguments and don't need to troll; unlike the right wing.

Piss off troll.

let it go. you two have ruined my perfectly good thread.

Sorry. This jackass ruins every thread he shits in. I'm not playing along.

i ruin nothing. it is just your cognitive dissonance.

You're a ******* troll. Classic definition. You have nothing of value to say. You draw from a stock of meaningless phrases designed to provoke, without ever investing yourself in a real discussion. You derail every thread you enter with your incoherent crap.

You seem to have this image of yourself as a cryptic sage or something, but that's only the drugs talking. You're an idiot stoner with a desperate need for attention.

Anyway - this is the last time you're getting anything out of me besides "Piss off troll". Get used to it.

You say that, but anyone can say anything they want. You need valid arguments. That is the whole and entire difference. That is Why I resort to the fewest fallacies; why should I believe the "biggest liars"?

 

[dblack]

Piss off troll.

let it go. you two have ruined my perfectly good thread.

Sorry. This jackass ruins every thread he shits in. I'm not playing along.

i ruin nothing. it is just your cognitive dissonance.

You're a ******* troll. Classic definition. You have nothing of value to say. You draw from a stock of meaningless phrases designed to provoke, without ever investing yourself in a real discussion. You derail every thread you enter with your incoherent crap.

You seem to have this image of yourself as a cryptic sage or something, but that's only the drugs talking. You're an idiot stoner with a desperate need for attention.

Anyway - this is the last time you're getting anything out of me besides "Piss off troll". Get used to it.

You say that, but anyone can say anything they want. You need valid arguments. That is the whole and entire difference. That is Why I resort to the fewest fallacies; why should I believe the "biggest liars"?

Piss off troll.

 

[danielpalos]

let it go. you two have ruined my perfectly good thread.

Sorry. This jackass ruins every thread he shits in. I'm not playing along.

i ruin nothing. it is just your cognitive dissonance.

You're a ******* troll. Classic definition. You have nothing of value to say. You draw from a stock of meaningless phrases designed to provoke, without ever investing yourself in a real discussion. You derail every thread you enter with your incoherent crap.

You seem to have this image of yourself as a cryptic sage or something, but that's only the drugs talking. You're an idiot stoner with a desperate need for attention.

Anyway - this is the last time you're getting anything out of me besides "Piss off troll". Get used to it.

You say that, but anyone can say anything they want. You need valid arguments. That is the whole and entire difference. That is Why I resort to the fewest fallacies; why should I believe the "biggest liars"?

Piss off troll.

You are the one trolling around. I have valid arguments.

 

[dblack]

Sorry. This jackass ruins every thread he shits in. I'm not playing along.

i ruin nothing. it is just your cognitive dissonance.

You're a ******* troll. Classic definition. You have nothing of value to say. You draw from a stock of meaningless phrases designed to provoke, without ever investing yourself in a real discussion. You derail every thread you enter with your incoherent crap.

You seem to have this image of yourself as a cryptic sage or something, but that's only the drugs talking. You're an idiot stoner with a desperate need for attention.

Anyway - this is the last time you're getting anything out of me besides "Piss off troll". Get used to it.

You say that, but anyone can say anything they want. You need valid arguments. That is the whole and entire difference. That is Why I resort to the fewest fallacies; why should I believe the "biggest liars"?

Piss off troll.

You are the one trolling around. I have valid arguments.

Piss off troll.

 

[danielpalos]

i ruin nothing. it is just your cognitive dissonance.

You're a ******* troll. Classic definition. You have nothing of value to say. You draw from a stock of meaningless phrases designed to provoke, without ever investing yourself in a real discussion. You derail every thread you enter with your incoherent crap.

You seem to have this image of yourself as a cryptic sage or something, but that's only the drugs talking. You're an idiot stoner with a desperate need for attention.

Anyway - this is the last time you're getting anything out of me besides "Piss off troll". Get used to it.

You say that, but anyone can say anything they want. You need valid arguments. That is the whole and entire difference. That is Why I resort to the fewest fallacies; why should I believe the "biggest liars"?

Piss off troll.

You are the one trolling around. I have valid arguments.

Piss off troll.

not me; i have valid arguments for just such purposes.

 

[dblack]

You're a ******* troll. Classic definition. You have nothing of value to say. You draw from a stock of meaningless phrases designed to provoke, without ever investing yourself in a real discussion. You derail every thread you enter with your incoherent crap.

You seem to have this image of yourself as a cryptic sage or something, but that's only the drugs talking. You're an idiot stoner with a desperate need for attention.

Anyway - this is the last time you're getting anything out of me besides "Piss off troll". Get used to it.

You say that, but anyone can say anything they want. You need valid arguments. That is the whole and entire difference. That is Why I resort to the fewest fallacies; why should I believe the "biggest liars"?

Piss off troll.

You are the one trolling around. I have valid arguments.

Piss off troll.

not me; i have valid arguments for just such purposes.

Piss off troll.

 

[danielpalos]

You say that, but anyone can say anything they want. You need valid arguments. That is the whole and entire difference. That is Why I resort to the fewest fallacies; why should I believe the "biggest liars"?

Piss off troll.

You are the one trolling around. I have valid arguments.

Piss off troll.

not me; i have valid arguments for just such purposes.

Piss off troll.

government is socialism. prove me wrong.

 

[dblack]

Piss off troll.

You are the one trolling around. I have valid arguments.

Piss off troll.

not me; i have valid arguments for just such purposes.

Piss off troll.

government is socialism. prove me wrong.

Piss off troll

 

[danielpalos]

You are the one trolling around. I have valid arguments.

Piss off troll.

not me; i have valid arguments for just such purposes.

Piss off troll.

government is socialism. prove me wrong.

Piss off troll

in other words, Troll, you got nothing.

 

[dblack]

Piss off troll.

not me; i have valid arguments for just such purposes.

Piss off troll.

government is socialism. prove me wrong.

Piss off troll

in other words, Troll, you got nothing.

Piss off troll.

 

[danielpalos]

not me; i have valid arguments for just such purposes.

Piss off troll.

government is socialism. prove me wrong.

Piss off troll

in other words, Troll, you got nothing.

Piss off troll.

how would you know, troll?