Socialism sucks! (Virus hits). Socialism save us!!

[Frankeneinstein]

Ah yes, socialism is only for the aristocracy, not the unwashed masses.

as long as they are not imposing that filth on me I don't care.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Oh we're an empire alright, due for a contraction with a military occupational presence in 70% of the nations on the planet

what on earth?? we are the worlds policeman, we have policemen in every city in the USA too. You want anarchy now??? Are you sane??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And they work in tandem, .

Sanders and Trump work in Tandem??? Trump and Pelosi work in tandem. You are seriously deranged.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

while supporting 73% of the world's dictatorships. .

we supported Stalin for a while too. But it means nothing. Tactical only. Too complicated for you??

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Ah yes, socialism is only for the aristocracy, not the unwashed masses.

???? $10 trillion for the poor a year is not socialism to you???? they are the aristocracy??? You have no idea on earth what are talking about do you??

You subsidize Amazon, Walmart, endless war profiteering, big pharma, big agribusiness, big oil, suicidal Midwest farmers, communists in China, the hellth insurance industry, Wall Street. It seems like as I said, the quibbling over socialism [shudder] in america is that it dare not ever be the people themselves among what the power structure sees as worthy of saving.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You subsidize Amazon,.

can you tell us how????????????????

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

while supporting 73% of the world's dictatorships. .

we supported Stalin for a while too. But it means nothing. Tactical only. Too complicated for you??

We do what we do and yeah, American capitalists supported Hitler early on. See?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

We do what we do and yeah, American capitalists supported Hitler early on. See?

Early on no one knew what Hitler was, including the Germans who voted for him. And??????????

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

You subsidize Amazon,.

can you tell us how????????????????

Do you care enough to engage in a bit of due diligence? Is there a reason you singled them out of all the others mentioned? This is the only one you question?

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

We do what we do and yeah, American capitalists supported Hitler early on. See?

Early on no one knew what Hitler was, including the Germans who voted for him. And??????????

Early on there was no public view and profit to be made. Even Fred Koch got into Stalin. Just business.

 

[georgephillip]

Arizona is a beautiful state. I have some property there that I wanna sell you. It's right up on the beach. Are you interested?

I also have a bridge that's for sale if you're interested in that.

Still believe in "free" markets?

The 5 biggest lies of global capitalism

 

[georgephillip]

You loved the USSR, didn't you?

You have no idea how bad it was, do you?

You are no older than 30, I am guessing.

I'll be 73 next August.
I didn't support the USSR or Jim Crow.
How about you?

Political positions of Noam Chomsky - Wikipedia

"Chomsky has identified Bakunin's comments regarding the totalitarian state as predictions for the brutal Soviet police state that would come in essays like The Soviet Union Versus Socialism.

"He has also defined Soviet communism as 'fake socialism', particularly because any socialism worthy of the name requires authentic democratic control of production and resources as well as public ownership.

"He has said that contrary to what many in America claim, the collapse of the Soviet Union should be regarded as 'a small victory for socialism', not capitalism"

I supported neither.

How many people defected from East Berlin to West Berlin? How many died trying?

10 Great Escapes Across The Berlin Wall | HuffPost
for reference

Now, how many defected to East Berlin from West Berlin? (hint: likely zero)

East Berlin is the perfect example of socialism. It does not work. In your 73 years, have you ever seen it work anywhere. I am not talking about Canada or Denmark (which is not true socialism and they rely heavily on U.S. military protection so they can somewhat afford socialized medicine, but that is the only industry socialized).

Give me an example of socialism being successfully implemented across all industries.

You can't because that shit don't work.

We have an example in early America among colonists where it failed miserably.
Communism, Capitalism and the Third Thanksgiving

When they tried the socialist method, they nearly starved. When each family was given a plot to tend (where they must work for themselves) and they were allowed to keep all they produced (no sharing with filthy losers), all hands were motivated by prosperity and it succeeded.

We have an abundance of evidence AGAIST socialism, and ZERO evidence of success.

So, why change to socialism when it is clearly not successful?

And, don't give me that "democratic socialism" bullshit. It is the same, or it is a misnomer. Workers are free to pool their resources and purchase stock in their own company. Why haven't they?

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Your fable about early American socialists is a cold war lie resurrected by tea party loons.
The first Thanksgiving was celebrated in 1621.
The system of collective ownership (common course) was abandoned in 1623 not because of starvation but because the colonists wanted to make more money. Their biggest problems were drought and malaria, not socialism. (Maybe they needed more slaves)

American Capitalism Is Brutal. You Can Trace That to the Plantation.

"A couple of years before he was convicted of securities fraud, Martin Shkreli was the chief executive of a pharmaceutical company that acquired the rights to Daraprim, a lifesaving antiparasitic drug.

"Previously the drug cost $13.50 a pill, but in Shkreli’s hands, the price quickly increased by a factor of 56, to $750 a pill.

"At a health care conference, Shkreli told the audience that he should have raised the price even higher. 'No one wants to say it, no one’s proud of it,' he explained. 'But this is a capitalist society, a capitalist system and capitalist rules.'"

 

[georgephillip]

Yeah, getting rid of all the rich white Cubans must have really raised the standard of living for the remaining poor dark Cubans......no, it didn't. Weird. Moron.

Your hero?

Pussy.

Batista has been out of power for over 60 years, how's Cuba's economy.....today?

Stop being stupid.

 

[georgephillip]

Funny quote, posted by a moron who thinks the commies were ever more efficient, more fair, or free from periodic, or constant, catastrophe.

Capitalist cranks think markets can price costs borne by third parties

The Libertarian Delusion

"The price of carbon-based energy is 'correct'-it reflects what consumers will pay and what producers can supply-if you leave out the fact that carbon is destroying a livable planet.

"Markets are not competent to price this problem.

"Only governments can do that. In formal economics, this anomaly is described by the bloodless word 'externality'-meaning costs (or benefits) external to the immediate transaction.

"Libertarian economists treat externalities as minor exceptions."

 

[georgephillip]

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.
~Thomas Jefferson

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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.
~Thomas Jefferson

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Yes. Look at the federal reserve. Look at your own limey bank system.

You're preaching to the choir. Tell me how being commies will change things, commie.

(hint: commie makes it worse)

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[depotoo]

Did y’all catch Trumps presser ? Whole lotta commie socialist talk going on. Tests for everyone ? Bailouts ? Billion dollar aid packages ?!?


When push comes to shove , socialist type programs ain’t so bad . Or should we rely on capitalism alone to save us with price gouging?

The ones screaming for socialism are the Dems- not the right. Trying to push through socializing medicine now rather than taking care of their constituents.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Sorry, but this is a fake, made up quote: Private Banks (Spurious Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

Nobody should ever take quotes off the internet, especially if they are posted on this sort of graphic, unless they check the quote from reliable sources.

Jefferson initially opposed Alexander Hamilton's proposals for a National Bank (when Jefferson himself became president he changed his tune). But pre- "industrial revolution" U.S. history was very complex and unique. Short (and especially fake) "quotations" should never be used to apply to modern situations without understanding context. To oppose a national bank in the 19th century usually meant supporting private or individual state banks and allowing them to issue their own banknotes (as Andrew Jackson did after destroying the 2nd Bank of the U.S.) which led to competing currencies, bank runs, and the 1837 Panic. Then there was the Gold/ Silver political wars of the late 19th century.

Interconnected U.S. dominated world capitalism today needs a stable world financial system, but Wall Street and modern U.S. corporate capitalism working with the Fed is a deeply corrupt and rigged system, run like a giant casino where the house always wins, and most customers go away fleeced. For awhile a Casino can be a fun place to hang out in, or even live in, especially if the suckers are mostly out-of-town yokels. But no society, let alone a leading one, should be run so irresponsibly.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Did y’all catch Trumps presser ? Whole lotta commie socialist talk going on. Tests for everyone ? Bailouts ? Billion dollar aid packages ?!?

When push comes to shove , socialist type programs ain’t so bad . Or should we rely on capitalism alone to save us with price gouging?

I want to congratulate Timmy on this post. It is titled very cleverly and his comments were consistently thought provoking. It prompted a lot of "better than usual" debate too.

It's a good thing our President has come around to recognizing we are facing a grave problem. The success with which we as a nation mobilize our resources, public and private, the courage and solidarity we demonstrate, may set our country on a new and better course, or confirm we are not worthy of the sacrifices of our revolutionary ancestors.

We must at least try to prevent "crony capitalism" and "bailouts for billionaires and corporations" ... to become all that America stands for in the future.

You're learning the wrong lesson from all of this. It's pretty obvious that what we most need to prevent is policies that make this the "new normal" for time when there isn't a crisis.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Socialism is the government telling businesses they must close shop so yeah it fucking sucks.

Even that isn't really socialism. One of the reasons we have governments is precisely to deal with emergency situations.

Yes, it sucks massively. But uncontained spread of a virus we're not prepared to effectively treat would be far worse.

I disagree.

There isno reason for the government to tell us what businesses have to close.

HAve you seen what some states are calling "essential" businesses ?

In my state liquor stores and landscaping services are called "essential"

How can you take government seriously when this is how the politicians think?

I didn't say all governments do their jobs equally well. I just said emergencies are part of their job.