Trump is not a fascist. He is not intelligent enough. He has no ideology beyond self-aggrandizement. He lacks a uniformed army of fanatical supporters.
Nevertheless, Trump is more fascist than the Democrats are Communist.
Socialism is more popular than Project 2025
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Nevertheless, Trump is more fascist than the Democrats are Communist.
Seems like a toss up to me.
Dogmaphobe
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Really , maybe you just know people like yourself that live there. I have no desire to move anywhere since I will be moving on soon. Had enough of this pitiful beginners world. Moving on to more civilized planets if I choose to leave the 7th. Heaven at all. Earth is just one of 14 worlds in this quadrant of the galaxy we are capable of visiting.
Not even close.
trump is more fascist than you or I know. He wants absolute power and he believes he deserves it. Jan 6th. Was even more than you know , I hope it all comes out during the trial.
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On a surface level, getting "free" stuff from the government is going to be popular compared to policies that cut government.
Socialism tends to be less popular when people get the tax bill for it, however....
Socialism tends to be less popular when people get the tax bill for it, however....
Toddsterpatriot
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There's no free stuff , one way or another we pay for it all. We are half way there already and the benefits are not shared by all. Universal health care would solve most problems people face.
M14 Shooter
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I -love- how the left mindlessly bought into the P2025 lie.
Useful idiots, indeed.
Useful idiots, indeed.
Toddsterpatriot
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Yes, the problem of new drugs, new treatments and new medical equipment would all be solved. They don't have any of that in Cuba or the UK, but they do have "universal health care". Long lines and rationing are cool.
As it concerns "revolutionary socialism" or "scientific socialism" as set forth by Dr. Karl Marx and Friedrich, there is no disconnect between socialism and Marxism. They are synonymous with one another.
Per the assertion that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are Marxists, if that were the case, not only would millionaire and billionaire capitalists not have donated hundreds of millions of dollars to their campaign, they would not have been nominated in the first place. Nor would they have risen to the level of a district attorney, an attorney general, a congressperson, a governor, or a vice president.
Anecdotally, as a Marxist of nearly forty years, I haven't voted for a Democratic politician since the spring of 1984, and none of the many Marxists I know and know of have voted for such candidates either.
Respectfully, the notion that people like Harris and Walz are Marxists is an unserious position based on an unfamiliarity with Marxism. Nothing about the obviously pro-capitalist Kamala Harris and Tim Walz suggests such a thing. If they were Marxists, they would call for the abolition of capitalism and the beginning of the dialectical process toward revolutionary socialism and, eventually, communism.
So, BULLDOGS's comment that MAGAs are "eager to classify anything they don't like as socialism" is correct. Aside from the widespread benightedness surrounding socialism's meaning, the Right uses the term in the pejorative to quash the discussions they endeavor to avoid. The use of the terms socialism, communism, and Marxism as buzzwords among conservatives (and) liberals who are primarily ignorant of such terminology tends to cancel related conversations.
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That didn’t age well…
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It’s all about degrees and direction. IOW, what degree of Marxist wealth redistribution are we willing to accept and are we heading in the direction of increasing that number or decreasing it. The two candidate presented a fairly stark contrast regarding this, and the people spoke quite clearly.
Far-right idiots drew up the idiotic thing.
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Far left idiots have all types of crazy ideas. Does the Democratic Party adopt them all?
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And neither exist in the real world.
Orangecat: "It's all about degrees and direction. IOW, what degree of Marxist wealth redistribution are we willing to accept, and are we heading in the direction of increasing that number or decreasing it?"
Wealth redistribution within the context of a socialist society is merely a matter of workers enjoying the full economic benefit of (their) labor power and (their) intellectual power. Under socialism, the capitalist class and the petty capitalist classes are assimilated into the ranks of the working class, and the means of production become socially owned. As such, workers no longer have the lion's share of the wealth (they) produce stolen from them at the point of production and through a bourgeois system of legality known as private profit. That, the parasitic capitalist class's legalized theft of worker-produced wealth, is the accurate description of wealth distribution - from the productive working class to the nonproductive capitalist class.
Ergo, it isn't a matter of degree. With the private ownership of the means of production eliminated, workers would, in the end, enjoy 100% of the economic wealth their labor power and or their intellectual power would produce. Capitalists would then redistribute to themselves none of the financial wealth created by other human beings because there wouldn't be any capitalists. They, too, would become workers.
(Note: A socially owned and democratically administered means of industrial production would look [something] like this: http://www.slp.org/pdf/statements/siu_chart.pdf .)
Orangecat: "The two candidates presented a fairly stark contrast regarding this, and the people spoke quite clearly."
Please unpack that statement, Orangecat. Please show precisely how Kamala Harris, who, for example, only half-heartedly supported a meager $15 federal minimum wage, wanted to "redistribute" wealth from the capitalist class to the working class.
In actuality, there is nothing that shows Kamala Harris to be anything but a typically pro-capitalist Democratic politician. Like her Republican "counterpart," Harris was utterly beholden to her millionaire and billionaire capitalist donors/owners. Had they thought for a moment that Harris was even slightly interested in redistributing wealth from capitalists to workers, they wouldn't have given her a dime. Indeed, had Kamala Harris ever shown an inclination toward socialism, she would never have been allowed to become so much as a district attorney, let alone a serious contender for the presidency. As a California resident who has been watching Harris for several years, I assure readers that she is anything but the progressive she sometimes presents herself as. In brief, she is horrible.
As an attorney general, Harris supported capital punishment. She refused to alleviate overcrowded prisons by releasing nonviolent offenders - indeed, she fought to keep them incarcerated as a source of prison labor. She blocked payouts to wrongfully convicted people. She prosecuted the parents of truant school children, primarily poor, racialized, and struggling parents. She prosecuted people found in possession of small amounts of cannabis post-Prop 215. And, among other matters, Harris refused to support special investigations of cop-involved murders.
As vice president, she has attacked immigrants desperate to escape the devastating effects of U.S. imperialism in their homelands. And she has no problem with (continuing) to lock children in cages at the U.S.-Mexico border. (Just because AOC hasn't shed a crocodile tear at the border since Trump left office doesn't mean that our fascistic border policies have changed because they haven't.)
Moreover, I don't know or know of a single Marxist who doesn't dislike Kamala Harris. And as a Marxist of nearly forty years, I know a lot of Marxists.
To be sure, we Marxists see Harris as completely vacuous — a howling void where a human personality, values, and principles should be. She believes in nothing but advancing her aforementioned socially reactionary career.
As such, Kamala Harris is an empty suit willing to be used by the capitalist class for its purposes, (not) the working class's purposes. And as many as ten million voters saw her as precisely that. Goodbye, and good riddance.
In cozying up to (the) most depraved neoconservatives, such as the odious Dick Cheney, she made official what Marxists have known for decades: that the Democratic Party is nothing more than a second Republican Party, which is something that should please conservatives.
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