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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
I agree with people who think they are funny and they aren't, but Gutfeld is funny.

He just skewers TDS and the left.

I agree that he does reach for jokes sometimes. If you've seen him only in a limited way it's more hit or miss for that reason. But he usually hits. With your views, if you watch him enough then you will get it and think he's pretty funny most of the time.

Anyway, I'm not saying he's a great thought leader, only he is actually funny.

It's like Rush. He's no thought leader either. But no one can entrap and humiliate leftists like Rush. He is the Godfather of talk radio
He must be doing something right because he's still on. I just don't care for him. Bill O' used to have him on all the time, and after a while, I started fast forwarding through his sections. He kind of reminded me of the nerd who got drunk at a party and danced with the lampshade on his head. It's just like I usually fastfoward through Raymond Arroyo's segment on Laura's program. Maybe I just have a high threshold for for what I think is funny, I don't know. Arroyo does do a good job as a substitute host though. I'll watch him then.
 

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Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Standard and Poor's looked the other way. As the economy crashed, and things got worse, the right wing refused to agree lend even a small a hand to the many who suffered needlessly, while the few at the top became wealthier still.

Young people, along with women and minorities watched as the economy slowly healed over the next 8 years with President Obama at the helm, and witnessed 30 million Americans who previously had little or no healthcare benefits could now see a doctor without medical bankruptcy in the back of their minds. The right wing screamed SOCIALISM! of course, but they didn't care - They now had medical coverage. They also watched Donald Trump do everything in his power to strip them and their families of that protection, while offering nothing to replace it with except - "Go see your insurance man"


Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore... :bye1:

Right now, in this day and age we have state capitalism which is throwing free monies to companies to stay afloat along with free money, food, electric and other commodities being given for free and you think that there is no socialism in the USA? What did you do with yer twelve hundred bucks from Uncle Sam?
Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited
No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.
And a huge reliance on the Socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.
Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited
No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.
And a huge reliance on the Socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.
Who benefits from these socialist actions by the government and the Fed? It sure appears that the extreme wealthy are the main beneficiaries.

Translation:
"We want free shit, we need free shit, we deserve free shit."
Look Beggars, we aren't all equal, we'll never be equal...go get yours and I'll go get mine...It's just that simple.
I've never once cared about the guy on the hill above me who has more or makes more than I do.....Good for him.
STOP BEGGING AND STOP BEGGING TO BE EQUAL!
I totally agree with that statement...until those who are at the top of the hill build fences around the top and infiltrate and use our government to make it legally impossible for you to get up there too unless you suck their willys and join their Good Ol' Boys (or Girls) club...or maybe just not at all.

That's what we have now. People call it socialism because the government is involved. That is VERY misleading.

I dont want other people's money.
I DO want the freedom to get what I need or want without people with money using our legal system to claim the world is theirs and prevent my advancement. And it's not just about employment, it's about herd consumerism. They legislate so you aren't even allowed to sue them for it when they basically try to make you a slave.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
The scumbag would mock any professional who lost their career due to globalism.
There are very few personalities on Fox who weren't scumbags before Trump.
Laura Ingraham kept getting fired from WABC Radio because she was always MAGA but her fans would force the Globalist scumbags owners to hire her back.
Steve Hilton and Tucker Carlson are great.
Not familiar with Steve, but I'll watch Tucker once in a great while if nothing is on. Laura is my favorite but she's pushing too much of this going back to school stuff. She's entitled to what she believes, but she defeated the home school argument when she talks about kids getting depressed, committing suicide, and losing touch with kids their own age.
I always liked Laura because she was so good at mocking the left without being bothered by them.

She is a socon though. She acts just like the left when she gets on social issues. She loses all logical ability and goes to emotion. She's made some of the must butt stupid illogical arguments on drugs. Rush is the same, like with abortion and Terry Schiavo. Fortunately they generally focus more on fiscal issues I generally agree with them on
I am getting a little more involved with Fox besides Laura. I am now recording Mark Levin and Judge Jeanine. My favorite was Bill O' but Fox was stupid enough to get rid of him. So after he was gone, that's when Laura became my favorite.
O'Reilly was unfortunate. Fox did underreact to sexual harassment claims. Too many Fox women were saying it was a hostile work environment. They put themselves in the spot that when they finally dealt with it, everyone stained had to go. Firing the #1 guy on cable news certainly sent the message. The women at Fox who are there now and were there then though say the culture has totally changed.

I like Levin and Judge Jeanine too. If you haven't read Levin's "Men in Black," it's a fantastic book and very educational
 

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The reason socialism doesn't scare them is because capitalism, as represented by the ignorance, hatred and bigotry of Trumpsters, does.
LOL, and the emotional Democrat lashes out ...
An authoritarian Trumpsucker deflects.
The lone libertarian Biden supporter rides again. Hiyo Silver! Away!
The sad pretend libertarian who sucks Trump's cock, slithers away - again.
Yet you're still the only libertarian on the site who thinks Biden is better, Democrat apologist
Fuck you. I don't think Biden is better. And I'm not a Democrat apologist. That's how you see it, because you've swallowed the LO2E poison. You've sold your soul out of fear.
But let's get back to the point - you know, the thing you're trying to deflect away from by attacking me: People are turning to socialism because they see Trump's deplorables as the face of capitalism. If didn't know better, if I thought Trumpsters were what capitalism was all about, I'd reject it too. But I do know better. Trump, and his followers, have no respect for capitalism, free markets or liberty. They simply get off on strong-man authoritarianism.
Democrats were turning to socialism LOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGG before Trump. That's just stupid.
It's accelerated, rapidly, in the last four years. I know you've seen it. I know you won't admit it. Seriously, pull your head out of Trump's ass and look for a change.
You don't know where my head is with your head shoved so far up Biden's ass.

Blaming Trump for the Democrats endlessly steering further and further leftward is clueless and uninformed, even for you
 

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However the market settles out, I don't want the government controlling the food supply.
I don't like government in anything, however subsidies is what helps keeps our food prices down.

Prices for many things are controlled by the commodities market. As somebody who played that market for a couple of years, I know how futures investors think. When they see an opportunity, they move on it and they move on it quickly. Prices for food is too high as it is. When they decided to start burning up our food supply to create ethanol, that's when everything went to hell. It's the worst idea they ever came up with, but they were trying to placate the environmentalists.
 
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Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Standard and Poor's looked the other way. As the economy crashed, and things got worse, the right wing refused to agree lend even a small a hand to the many who suffered needlessly, while the few at the top became wealthier still.

Young people, along with women and minorities watched as the economy slowly healed over the next 8 years with President Obama at the helm, and witnessed 30 million Americans who previously had little or no healthcare benefits could now see a doctor without medical bankruptcy in the back of their minds. The right wing screamed SOCIALISM! of course, but they didn't care - They now had medical coverage. They also watched Donald Trump do everything in his power to strip them and their families of that protection, while offering nothing to replace it with except - "Go see your insurance man"


Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore... :bye1:

Right now, in this day and age we have state capitalism which is throwing free monies to companies to stay afloat along with free money, food, electric and other commodities being given for free and you think that there is no socialism in the USA? What did you do with yer twelve hundred bucks from Uncle Sam?
Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited
No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.
And a huge reliance on the Socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.
Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited
No. Young people are not happy because success, here in our America, requires years of hard work, sacrifice and personal responsibility.
And a huge reliance on the Socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.
Who benefits from these socialist actions by the government and the Fed? It sure appears that the extreme wealthy are the main beneficiaries.

Translation:
"We want free shit, we need free shit, we deserve free shit."
Look Beggars, we aren't all equal, we'll never be equal...go get yours and I'll go get mine...It's just that simple.
I've never once cared about the guy on the hill above me who has more or makes more than I do.....Good for him.
STOP BEGGING AND STOP BEGGING TO BE EQUAL!
I totally agree with that statement...until those who are at the top of the hill build fences around the top and infiltrate and use our government to make it legally impossible for you to get up there too unless you suck their willys and join their Good Ol' Boys (or Girls) club...or maybe just not at all.

That's what we have now. People call it socialism because the government is involved. That is VERY misleading.

I dont want other people's money.
I DO want the freedom to get what I need or want without people with money using our legal system to claim the world is theirs and prevent my advancement. And it's not just about employment, it's about herd consumerism. They legislate so you aren't even allowed to sue them for it when they basically try to make you a slave.
Most billionaires became rich the old fashioned way. They earned it. Relatively few inherited it. What you're saying is just rhetoric. You can get rich as shit in this country with one good idea
 

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However the market settles out, I don't want the government controlling the food supply.
I don't like government in anything, however subsidies is what helps keeps our food prices down.

Prices for many things are controlled by the commodities market. As somebody who played that market for a couple of years, I know how futures investors think. When they see an opportunity, they move on it and they move on it quickly. Prices for food is too high as it is. When they decided to start burning up our food supply to create ethanol, that's when everything went to hell. It's the worst idea they ever came up with, but they were trying to placate the environmentalists.
Yep. Ethanol is the dumbest idea ever. It's not even good for the environment
 

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The reason socialism doesn't scare them is because capitalism, as represented by the ignorance, hatred and bigotry of Trumpsters, does.
LOL, and the emotional Democrat lashes out ...
An authoritarian Trumpsucker deflects.
The lone libertarian Biden supporter rides again. Hiyo Silver! Away!
The sad pretend libertarian who sucks Trump's cock, slithers away - again.
Yet you're still the only libertarian on the site who thinks Biden is better, Democrat apologist
Fuck you. I don't think Biden is better. And I'm not a Democrat apologist. That's how you see it, because you've swallowed the LO2E poison. You've sold your soul out of fear.
But let's get back to the point - you know, the thing you're trying to deflect away from by attacking me: People are turning to socialism because they see Trump's deplorables as the face of capitalism. If didn't know better, if I thought Trumpsters were what capitalism was all about, I'd reject it too. But I do know better. Trump, and his followers, have no respect for capitalism, free markets or liberty. They simply get off on strong-man authoritarianism.
Democrats were turning to socialism LOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGG before Trump. That's just stupid.
It's accelerated, rapidly, in the last four years. I know you've seen it. I know you won't admit it. Seriously, pull your head out of Trump's ass and look for a change.
You don't know where my head is with your head shoved so far up Biden's ass.

Blaming Trump for the Democrats endlessly steering further and further leftward is clueless and uninformed, even for you
Just can't get it out, eh?
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
I agree with people who think they are funny and they aren't, but Gutfeld is funny.

He just skewers TDS and the left.

I agree that he does reach for jokes sometimes. If you've seen him only in a limited way it's more hit or miss for that reason. But he usually hits. With your views, if you watch him enough then you will get it and think he's pretty funny most of the time.

Anyway, I'm not saying he's a great thought leader, only he is actually funny.

It's like Rush. He's no thought leader either. But no one can entrap and humiliate leftists like Rush. He is the Godfather of talk radio
He must be doing something right because he's still on. I just don't care for him. Bill O' used to have him on all the time, and after a while, I started fast forwarding through his sections. He kind of reminded me of the nerd who got drunk at a party and danced with the lampshade on his head. It's just like I usually fastfoward through Raymond Arroyo's segment on Laura's program. Maybe I just have a high threshold for for what I think is funny, I don't know. Arroyo does do a good job as a substitute host though. I'll watch him then.
That goes back before I watched Gutfeld or The Five
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
The scumbag would mock any professional who lost their career due to globalism.
There are very few personalities on Fox who weren't scumbags before Trump.
Laura Ingraham kept getting fired from WABC Radio because she was always MAGA but her fans would force the Globalist scumbags owners to hire her back.
Steve Hilton and Tucker Carlson are great.
Not familiar with Steve, but I'll watch Tucker once in a great while if nothing is on. Laura is my favorite but she's pushing too much of this going back to school stuff. She's entitled to what she believes, but she defeated the home school argument when she talks about kids getting depressed, committing suicide, and losing touch with kids their own age.
I always liked Laura because she was so good at mocking the left without being bothered by them.

She is a socon though. She acts just like the left when she gets on social issues. She loses all logical ability and goes to emotion. She's made some of the must butt stupid illogical arguments on drugs. Rush is the same, like with abortion and Terry Schiavo. Fortunately they generally focus more on fiscal issues I generally agree with them on
I am getting a little more involved with Fox besides Laura. I am now recording Mark Levin and Judge Jeanine. My favorite was Bill O' but Fox was stupid enough to get rid of him. So after he was gone, that's when Laura became my favorite.
O'Reilly was unfortunate. Fox did underreact to sexual harassment claims. Too many Fox women were saying it was a hostile work environment. They put themselves in the spot that when they finally dealt with it, everyone stained had to go. Firing the #1 guy on cable news certainly sent the message. The women at Fox who are there now and were there then though say the culture has totally changed.

I like Levin and Judge Jeanine too. If you haven't read Levin's "Men in Black," it's a fantastic book and very educational
I guess I never liked Levin in the past because his personality. However I would turn him on from time to time when there was nothing else on. He gets a bit too radical for me, but he is loaded with knowledge, so I'm going to try watching him on a weekly basis.
 
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The reason socialism doesn't scare them is because capitalism, as represented by the ignorance, hatred and bigotry of Trumpsters, does.
LOL, and the emotional Democrat lashes out ...
An authoritarian Trumpsucker deflects.
The lone libertarian Biden supporter rides again. Hiyo Silver! Away!
The sad pretend libertarian who sucks Trump's cock, slithers away - again.
Yet you're still the only libertarian on the site who thinks Biden is better, Democrat apologist
Fuck you. I don't think Biden is better. And I'm not a Democrat apologist. That's how you see it, because you've swallowed the LO2E poison. You've sold your soul out of fear.
But let's get back to the point - you know, the thing you're trying to deflect away from by attacking me: People are turning to socialism because they see Trump's deplorables as the face of capitalism. If didn't know better, if I thought Trumpsters were what capitalism was all about, I'd reject it too. But I do know better. Trump, and his followers, have no respect for capitalism, free markets or liberty. They simply get off on strong-man authoritarianism.
Democrats were turning to socialism LOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGG before Trump. That's just stupid.
It's accelerated, rapidly, in the last four years. I know you've seen it. I know you won't admit it. Seriously, pull your head out of Trump's ass and look for a change.
You don't know where my head is with your head shoved so far up Biden's ass.

Blaming Trump for the Democrats endlessly steering further and further leftward is clueless and uninformed, even for you
Just can't get it out, eh?
You're just wrapped up in your stupid shit that anyone who votes for Trump adores and worships him while all you need to do to support Biden is think he's better than Trump. It's some moronic shit
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
The scumbag would mock any professional who lost their career due to globalism.
There are very few personalities on Fox who weren't scumbags before Trump.
Laura Ingraham kept getting fired from WABC Radio because she was always MAGA but her fans would force the Globalist scumbags owners to hire her back.
Steve Hilton and Tucker Carlson are great.
Not familiar with Steve, but I'll watch Tucker once in a great while if nothing is on. Laura is my favorite but she's pushing too much of this going back to school stuff. She's entitled to what she believes, but she defeated the home school argument when she talks about kids getting depressed, committing suicide, and losing touch with kids their own age.
I always liked Laura because she was so good at mocking the left without being bothered by them.

She is a socon though. She acts just like the left when she gets on social issues. She loses all logical ability and goes to emotion. She's made some of the must butt stupid illogical arguments on drugs. Rush is the same, like with abortion and Terry Schiavo. Fortunately they generally focus more on fiscal issues I generally agree with them on
I am getting a little more involved with Fox besides Laura. I am now recording Mark Levin and Judge Jeanine. My favorite was Bill O' but Fox was stupid enough to get rid of him. So after he was gone, that's when Laura became my favorite.
O'Reilly was unfortunate. Fox did underreact to sexual harassment claims. Too many Fox women were saying it was a hostile work environment. They put themselves in the spot that when they finally dealt with it, everyone stained had to go. Firing the #1 guy on cable news certainly sent the message. The women at Fox who are there now and were there then though say the culture has totally changed.

I like Levin and Judge Jeanine too. If you haven't read Levin's "Men in Black," it's a fantastic book and very educational
I guess I never liked Levin in the past because his personality. However I would turn him on from time to time when there was nothing else on. He gets a bit too radical for me, but he is loaded with knowledge, so I'm going to try watching him on a weekly basis.
Yes, that's Mark Levin!
 

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The reason socialism doesn't scare them is because capitalism, as represented by the ignorance, hatred and bigotry of Trumpsters, does.
LOL, and the emotional Democrat lashes out ...
An authoritarian Trumpsucker deflects.
The lone libertarian Biden supporter rides again. Hiyo Silver! Away!
The sad pretend libertarian who sucks Trump's cock, slithers away - again.
Yet you're still the only libertarian on the site who thinks Biden is better, Democrat apologist
Fuck you. I don't think Biden is better. And I'm not a Democrat apologist. That's how you see it, because you've swallowed the LO2E poison. You've sold your soul out of fear.
But let's get back to the point - you know, the thing you're trying to deflect away from by attacking me: People are turning to socialism because they see Trump's deplorables as the face of capitalism. If didn't know better, if I thought Trumpsters were what capitalism was all about, I'd reject it too. But I do know better. Trump, and his followers, have no respect for capitalism, free markets or liberty. They simply get off on strong-man authoritarianism.
Democrats were turning to socialism LOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGG before Trump. That's just stupid.
It's accelerated, rapidly, in the last four years. I know you've seen it. I know you won't admit it. Seriously, pull your head out of Trump's ass and look for a change.
You don't know where my head is with your head shoved so far up Biden's ass.

Blaming Trump for the Democrats endlessly steering further and further leftward is clueless and uninformed, even for you
Just can't get it out, eh?
You're just wrapped up in your stupid shit that anyone who votes for Trump adores and worships him while all you need to do to support Biden is think he's better than Trump. It's some moronic shit
I'm not voting for Biden. You ARE voting for Trump. So your accusations are merely deflection. Don't want to face what you've committed to, do ya?
 

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However the market settles out, I don't want the government controlling the food supply.
I don't like government in anything, however subsidies is what helps keeps our food prices down.
I don't want the government controlling the food supply. I don't want government controlling prices.
They are not controlling prices, they are just helping to keep them down. Again, prices are controlled by the futures market and how those people buy or sell contracts. So it still goes up and down, just not to the extremes as they would without government help.

That's besides the fact that if farmers get wiped out by a drought, flood, insects or a variety of other threats they face, they'd have to get out of the business without government help. Then where would we get food from? Are you going to try to plant your own corn, grow your own wheat, or raise cattle for beef?
 

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I'm not voting for Biden. You ARE voting for Trump. So your accusations are merely deflection. Don't want to face what you've committed to, do ya?
You really only have two choices in any election: Democrat or Republican. Voting third party is just throwing your vote away. You might as well stay home.

Even if I couldn't stand Trump, I don't want to see this country suffer for four years under clueless Biden. He would be a disaster for this country. Besides siding with the radicals now, his policies would be so destructive for this country I think it would put us in a possible depression at this point. It's my duty to do whatever it is I can to keep him out of the White House.
 

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I'm not voting for Biden. You ARE voting for Trump. So your accusations are merely deflection. Don't want to face what you've committed to, do ya?
You really only have two choices in any election ...
Spare me the LO2E horseshit. You're supporting a shitty candidate. You're making things worse.
 

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Spare me the LO2E horseshit. You're supporting a shitty candidate. You're making things worse.
First of all I think Trump did a great job for his first term, especially given the fact he's a rookie when it comes to politics. But even if I was like you and let his personality cloud reality of the job he's done, how would supporting him make it worse? If we don't support him, Biden gets in, and it can't get any worse than that.
 

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Spare me the LO2E horseshit. You're supporting a shitty candidate. You're making things worse.
First of all I think Trump did a great job for his first term, especially given the fact he's a rookie when it comes to politics. But even if I was like you and let his personality cloud reality of the job he's done, how would supporting him make it worse? If we don't support him, Biden gets in, and it can't get any worse than that.
Sorry. The lesser-of-two-evils argument is bunk. You can sell it to dummies at the ballot box, but it's a lie, and it's destroying our nation.
 
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Spare me the LO2E horseshit. You're supporting a shitty candidate. You're making things worse.
First of all I think Trump did a great job for his first term, especially given the fact he's a rookie when it comes to politics. But even if I was like you and let his personality cloud reality of the job he's done, how would supporting him make it worse? If we don't support him, Biden gets in, and it can't get any worse than that.
Sorry. The lesser-of-two-evils argument is bunk. You can sell it to dummies at the ballot box, but it's lie, and it's destroying our nation.
So voting for a third party candidate that stands no chance in hell at winning anything is a smart move? By doing so you may be paving the way for the worst candidate to get in. But that's not what the dummies do, is it?
 

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