Socialism doesn't scare them anymore

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Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Standard and Poor's looked the other way. As the economy crashed, and things got worse, the right wing refused to agree lend even a small a hand to the many who suffered needlessly, while the few at the top became wealthier still.

Young people, along with women and minorities watched as the economy slowly healed over the next 8 years with President Obama at the helm, and witnessed 30 million Americans who previously had little or no healthcare benefits could now see a doctor without medical bankruptcy in the back of their minds. The right wing screamed SOCIALISM! of course, but they didn't care - They now had medical coverage. They also watched Donald Trump do everything in his power to strip them and their families of that protection, while offering nothing to replace it with except - "Go see your insurance man"


Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore... :bye1:

American socialism shouldn't scare anyone. It has made our lives much better.

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America
 

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Absolutely. I don't want the fucking government controlling the food supply.
Then you'd rather pay $4.00 per pound for tomatoes and $6.00 per head of lettuce? How about a $35.00 steak? Maybe sloppy Joe's will be a delicacy in your home when it costs $15.00 per pound.
However the market settles out, I don't want the government controlling the food supply.
 

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The reason socialism doesn't scare them is because capitalism, as represented by the ignorance, hatred and bigotry of Trumpsters, does.
LOL, and the emotional Democrat lashes out ...
An authoritarian Trumpsucker deflects.
The lone libertarian Biden supporter rides again. Hiyo Silver! Away!
The sad pretend libertarian who sucks Trump's cock, slithers away - again.
Yet you're still the only libertarian on the site who thinks Biden is better, Democrat apologist
Fuck you. I don't think Biden is better. And I'm not a Democrat apologist. That's how you see it, because you've swallowed the LO2E poison. You've sold your soul out of fear.
But let's get back to the point - you know, the thing you're trying to deflect away from by attacking me: People are turning to socialism because they see Trump's deplorables as the face of capitalism. If didn't know better, if I thought Trumpsters were what capitalism was all about, I'd reject it too. But I do know better. Trump, and his followers, have no respect for capitalism, free markets or liberty. They simply get off on strong-man authoritarianism.
Democrats were turning to socialism LOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGG before Trump. That's just stupid.

This again shows you're a fake libertarian that you haven't seen that. No wonder you think Biden is better. You don't know shit about what capitalism or socialism even are.

And again you're silent on what a total dick Biden is while you attack Trump for being a dick. Only left wing extremists like you and the Democrats can't see what a dick Biden is
 

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Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Standard and Poor's looked the other way. As the economy crashed, and things got worse, the right wing refused to agree lend even a small a hand to the many who suffered needlessly, while the few at the top became wealthier still.

Young people, along with women and minorities watched as the economy slowly healed over the next 8 years with President Obama at the helm, and witnessed 30 million Americans who previously had little or no healthcare benefits could now see a doctor without medical bankruptcy in the back of their minds. The right wing screamed SOCIALISM! of course, but they didn't care - They now had medical coverage. They also watched Donald Trump do everything in his power to strip them and their families of that protection, while offering nothing to replace it with except - "Go see your insurance man"


Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore... :bye1:

American socialism shouldn't scare anyone. It has made our lives much better.

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America
"Our" of course meaning you and the rest of the welfare whore crowd who parasite off capitalists.

Problem is you've never grasped that you need the capitalists or there is no one to leach a living off. Socialism sure isn't going to feed you. You'd think that the Soviet Union, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba and all the other poor socialist countries that finally ended capitalism and plunged into poverty would have taught you something. Alas not
 

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So what you'r
I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
That's the guy. He's pretty funny.

He's not a globalist, BTW. That you made up. Do you know what a globalist is?
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
I agree with people who think they are funny and they aren't, but Gutfeld is funny.

He just skewers TDS and the left.

I agree that he does reach for jokes sometimes. If you've seen him only in a limited way it's more hit or miss for that reason. But he usually hits. With your views, if you watch him enough then you will get it and think he's pretty funny most of the time.

Anyway, I'm not saying he's a great thought leader, only he is actually funny.

It's like Rush. He's no thought leader either. But no one can entrap and humiliate leftists like Rush. He is the Godfather of talk radio
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
That's the guy. He's pretty funny.

He's not a globalist, BTW. That you made up. Do you know what a globalist is?
I’ve been watching Gutfield for years and he’s a Global Free Market guy who called unemployed people losers.
All he really cares about is his fame and portfolio.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
The scumbag would mock any professional who lost their career due to globalism.
There are very few personalities on Fox who weren't scumbags before Trump.
Laura Ingraham kept getting fired from WABC Radio because she was always MAGA but her fans would force the Globalist scumbags owners to hire her back.
Steve Hilton and Tucker Carlson are great.
I seriously have to ask you at this point if you actually know what a globalist is. You seem to just throw the word out in different contexts indiscriminately
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
That's the guy. He's pretty funny.

He's not a globalist, BTW. That you made up. Do you know what a globalist is?
I’ve been watching Gutfield for years and he’s a Global Free Market guy who called unemployed people losers.
All he really cares about is his fame and portfolio.
Not interested in your mind reading claims. Pass on that part.

I've never heard him call unemployed people "losers" or anything even remotely like that. I have heard him make fun of himself for having been fired numerous times. He makes a lot of self effacing jokes.

I told you what I like about him. He's fantastic at skewering the TDS deranged and the left. I just find him entertaining. As I said I don't really consider him a thought leader. I don't have to agree with someone all the time to find them interesting. Before TDS there were leftists I found amusing, like Randy Rhodes, Sam Greenfield, Ron Kuby. Since TDS infected the left though, not so much
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
The scumbag would mock any professional who lost their career due to globalism.
There are very few personalities on Fox who weren't scumbags before Trump.
Laura Ingraham kept getting fired from WABC Radio because she was always MAGA but her fans would force the Globalist scumbags owners to hire her back.
Steve Hilton and Tucker Carlson are great.
Not familiar with Steve, but I'll watch Tucker once in a great while if nothing is on. Laura is my favorite but she's pushing too much of this going back to school stuff. She's entitled to what she believes, but she defeated the home school argument when she talks about kids getting depressed, committing suicide, and losing touch with kids their own age.
I always liked Laura because she was so good at mocking the left without being bothered by them.

She is a socon though. She acts just like the left when she gets on social issues. She loses all logical ability and goes to emotion. She's made some of the must butt stupid illogical arguments on drugs. Rush is the same, like with abortion and Terry Schiavo. Fortunately they generally focus more on fiscal issues I generally agree with them on
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
The scumbag would mock any professional who lost their career due to globalism.
There are very few personalities on Fox who weren't scumbags before Trump.
Laura Ingraham kept getting fired from WABC Radio because she was always MAGA but her fans would force the Globalist scumbags owners to hire her back.
Steve Hilton and Tucker Carlson are great.
I seriously have to ask you at this point if you actually know what a globalist is. You seem to just throw the word out in different contexts indiscriminately
Off-Shoring is good.
Business Visas are good.
Ignore Trespassers.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
That's the guy. He's pretty funny.

He's not a globalist, BTW. That you made up. Do you know what a globalist is?
I’ve been watching Gutfield for years and he’s a Global Free Market guy who called unemployed people losers.
All he really cares about is his fame and portfolio.
Not interested in your mind reading claims. Pass on that part.

I've never heard him call unemployed people "losers" or anything even remotely like that. I have heard him make fun of himself for having been fired numerous times. He makes a lot of self effacing jokes.

I told you what I like about him. He's fantastic at skewering the TDS deranged and the left. I just find him entertaining. As I said I don't really consider him a thought leader. I don't have to agree with someone all the time to find them interesting. Before TDS there were leftists I found amusing, like Randy Rhodes, Sam Greenfield, Ron Kuby. Since TDS infected the left though, not so much
Most people don’t listen to what Rush or Gutfield actually say; their voices soothes them.
I actually used to ask Rush listeners precise questions about what spoke about “today” and they couldn’t answer; they just needed to hear someone to soothe their selfishness.
Gutfield was constantly calling unemployed Americans lazy and losers.
I have no emotional need to post what I never really heard.
Carlson, Ingraham and Hilton never spoke this way.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
The scumbag would mock any professional who lost their career due to globalism.
There are very few personalities on Fox who weren't scumbags before Trump.
Laura Ingraham kept getting fired from WABC Radio because she was always MAGA but her fans would force the Globalist scumbags owners to hire her back.
Steve Hilton and Tucker Carlson are great.
I seriously have to ask you at this point if you actually know what a globalist is. You seem to just throw the word out in different contexts indiscriminately
Off-Shoring is good.
Business Visas are good.
Ignore Trespassers.
Actually, globalism refers to a globally managed economy where governments control the flow of goods between countries. It extends a national government into a global government. Globalists are socialists.

You seem to be conflating globalist with global economy. Globalism is a global economy, but it's a government controlled one.

Capitalists support a global economy through free trade and market efficiency without government control. Foreign companies should simply have the same rules as domestic ones.

That's why I keep getting confused by what you said.

Off-shoring, business visas and illegal immigration are supported by globalists, but only as they serve government.

Again a capitalist would support a market driven global economy.

If you can separate those, it would make what you're saying a lot more clear
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
The scumbag would mock any professional who lost their career due to globalism.
There are very few personalities on Fox who weren't scumbags before Trump.
Laura Ingraham kept getting fired from WABC Radio because she was always MAGA but her fans would force the Globalist scumbags owners to hire her back.
Steve Hilton and Tucker Carlson are great.
I seriously have to ask you at this point if you actually know what a globalist is. You seem to just throw the word out in different contexts indiscriminately
Off-Shoring is good.
Business Visas are good.
Ignore Trespassers.
Actually, globalism refers to a globally managed economy where governments control the flow of goods between countries. It extends a national government into a global government. Globalists are socialists.

You seem to be conflating globalist with global economy. Globalism is a global economy, but it's a government controlled one.

Capitalists support a global economy through free trade and market efficiency without government control. Foreign companies should simply have the same rules as domestic ones.

That's why I keep getting confused by what you said.

Off-shoring, business visas and illegal immigration are supported by globalists, but only as they serve government.

Again a capitalist would support a market driven global economy.

If you can separate those, it would make what you're saying a lot more clear
Ok...
Gutfield is a Free Market, Global Economy Cheerleader who was spouting the FoxNews narrative.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
That's the guy. He's pretty funny.

He's not a globalist, BTW. That you made up. Do you know what a globalist is?
I’ve been watching Gutfield for years and he’s a Global Free Market guy who called unemployed people losers.
All he really cares about is his fame and portfolio.
Not interested in your mind reading claims. Pass on that part.

I've never heard him call unemployed people "losers" or anything even remotely like that. I have heard him make fun of himself for having been fired numerous times. He makes a lot of self effacing jokes.

I told you what I like about him. He's fantastic at skewering the TDS deranged and the left. I just find him entertaining. As I said I don't really consider him a thought leader. I don't have to agree with someone all the time to find them interesting. Before TDS there were leftists I found amusing, like Randy Rhodes, Sam Greenfield, Ron Kuby. Since TDS infected the left though, not so much
Most people don’t listen to what Rush or Gutfield actually say; their voices soothes them.
I actually used to ask Rush listeners precise questions about what spoke about “today” and they couldn’t answer; they just needed to hear someone to soothe their selfishness.
Gutfield was constantly calling unemployed Americans lazy and losers.
I have no emotional need to post what I never really heard.
Carlson, Ingraham and Hilton never spoke this way.
What makes Rush listeners "selfish?" No idea what you're talking about. Rush isn't high content though. I generally agree people just like to listen to him. I already agreed he's not exactly a thought leader. He can bait the left though like anyone. He's pretty funny when he does that.

Again, I've listened to Gutfeld for years and never heard him once say anything remotely like unemployed are losers. Not even in that universe. I'd have to hear it to believe it
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
That's the guy. He's pretty funny.

He's not a globalist, BTW. That you made up. Do you know what a globalist is?
I’ve been watching Gutfield for years and he’s a Global Free Market guy who called unemployed people losers.
All he really cares about is his fame and portfolio.
Not interested in your mind reading claims. Pass on that part.

I've never heard him call unemployed people "losers" or anything even remotely like that. I have heard him make fun of himself for having been fired numerous times. He makes a lot of self effacing jokes.

I told you what I like about him. He's fantastic at skewering the TDS deranged and the left. I just find him entertaining. As I said I don't really consider him a thought leader. I don't have to agree with someone all the time to find them interesting. Before TDS there were leftists I found amusing, like Randy Rhodes, Sam Greenfield, Ron Kuby. Since TDS infected the left though, not so much
Most people don’t listen to what Rush or Gutfield actually say; their voices soothes them.
I actually used to ask Rush listeners precise questions about what spoke about “today” and they couldn’t answer; they just needed to hear someone to soothe their selfishness.
Gutfield was constantly calling unemployed Americans lazy and losers.
I have no emotional need to post what I never really heard.
Carlson, Ingraham and Hilton never spoke this way.
What makes Rush listeners "selfish?" No idea what you're talking about. Rush isn't high content though. I generally agree people just like to listen to him.

Again, I've listened to Gutfeld for years and never heard him once say anything remotely like unemployed are losers. Not even in that universe. I'd have to hear it to believe it
I don’t subscribe to the Rush archive.
I listened to every word he said and all he cared about were his expensive cigars, steaks and having a cheap global labor pool at his disposal.
Yes, he actually repeated this on a daily basis.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
The scumbag would mock any professional who lost their career due to globalism.
There are very few personalities on Fox who weren't scumbags before Trump.
Laura Ingraham kept getting fired from WABC Radio because she was always MAGA but her fans would force the Globalist scumbags owners to hire her back.
Steve Hilton and Tucker Carlson are great.
I seriously have to ask you at this point if you actually know what a globalist is. You seem to just throw the word out in different contexts indiscriminately
Off-Shoring is good.
Business Visas are good.
Ignore Trespassers.
Actually, globalism refers to a globally managed economy where governments control the flow of goods between countries. It extends a national government into a global government. Globalists are socialists.

You seem to be conflating globalist with global economy. Globalism is a global economy, but it's a government controlled one.

Capitalists support a global economy through free trade and market efficiency without government control. Foreign companies should simply have the same rules as domestic ones.

That's why I keep getting confused by what you said.

Off-shoring, business visas and illegal immigration are supported by globalists, but only as they serve government.

Again a capitalist would support a market driven global economy.

If you can separate those, it would make what you're saying a lot more clear
Ok...
Gutfield is a Free Market, Global Economy Cheerleader who was spouting the FoxNews narrative.
So now you think FoxNews is dominated by libertarians? You're just getting weirder and weirder
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
That's the guy. He's pretty funny.

He's not a globalist, BTW. That you made up. Do you know what a globalist is?
I’ve been watching Gutfield for years and he’s a Global Free Market guy who called unemployed people losers.
All he really cares about is his fame and portfolio.
Not interested in your mind reading claims. Pass on that part.

I've never heard him call unemployed people "losers" or anything even remotely like that. I have heard him make fun of himself for having been fired numerous times. He makes a lot of self effacing jokes.

I told you what I like about him. He's fantastic at skewering the TDS deranged and the left. I just find him entertaining. As I said I don't really consider him a thought leader. I don't have to agree with someone all the time to find them interesting. Before TDS there were leftists I found amusing, like Randy Rhodes, Sam Greenfield, Ron Kuby. Since TDS infected the left though, not so much
Most people don’t listen to what Rush or Gutfield actually say; their voices soothes them.
I actually used to ask Rush listeners precise questions about what spoke about “today” and they couldn’t answer; they just needed to hear someone to soothe their selfishness.
Gutfield was constantly calling unemployed Americans lazy and losers.
I have no emotional need to post what I never really heard.
Carlson, Ingraham and Hilton never spoke this way.
What makes Rush listeners "selfish?" No idea what you're talking about. Rush isn't high content though. I generally agree people just like to listen to him.

Again, I've listened to Gutfeld for years and never heard him once say anything remotely like unemployed are losers. Not even in that universe. I'd have to hear it to believe it
I don’t subscribe to the Rush archive.
I listened to every word he said and all he cared about were his expensive cigars, steaks and having a cheap global labor pool at his disposal.
Yes, he actually repeated this on a daily basis.
Your view of people's views is way more driven by your personal opinion of them than mine
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
FOX has always paid people to pretend they're liberals and to intentionally lose the arguments. The ultimate live strawmen!!

That started with Crossfire years ago.

Saying something you don't want to believe does not make someone a leftist.
Crossfire was on CNN, dumb ass.

And obviously you don't watch Fox since you don't know all the leftists they have on there. They're complete asses, that they "lose on purpose" is just you digging deeper and deeper into flagrant ignorance.

:dig:

The only thing worse than having all those leftists on Fox is not having them and turning into an echo chamber like the leftist media that you worship
Oh wow, I forgot which network a show that closed many years ago was on...that make me a dumbass?

All I remember is that the 'liberal' on Crossfire was an idiot.

I watch FOX enough to know that most 'liberals' are strawmen.
It does make you a dumb ass to forget what network Crossfire was on when you specifically used that as an example of Fox bias, yes.

What happened to all this intelligence you just crowed about? Do you need a reboot?
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid to discuss 'Free Markets vs. Regulated markets' so you derailed the thread by nit picking a minor error that I made about which network carried 'Crossfire'.

Just the fact that CNN carried 'Crossfire' is proof that it was not a left leaning network.
Fox has Geraldo on their network. What about Chris Wallace? Alan Colmes was as left as you can get, and he was a host with Hannity before he went on his own. Judge Napolitano has been pretty left leaning at times, and I believe he hates Trump. They hired Juan Williams after he got fired from a liberal radio station, and he brings the liberal side to stories and issues all the time. Even guests like Dennis Kucinich appears for comments on issues.

Does that mean Fox leans left too?
Former DNC chair Donna Brazille is a regularMaria Harf. Arthelle Nevill. Tom Perez. Bob Beckle. Just a few. There are so many more.

Richard-H is full of shit. He never read the Communist Manifesto. Obviously he's never watched Fox News. He just thinks what he's told to think
Thanks for chiming in. I really don't watch a lot of Fox, but I often watch Hannity and never miss a Laura show. I forget the names of her liberal gusts she has on all the time. Hannity has repeatedly invited Joe Biden for an hour long interview. Never got a response.
I didn't watch a ton of Fox before the coronavirus. I watched The Five every day and the Gutfeld show which is once a week. I had no idea who was on all day. I've watched it a lot more since I've been working at home full time and work travel is zero. I don't watch it all the time, but enough that I know who the players are. Fox has leftists on all the time. Totally different from CNN and fake news
Gutfeld...
A Libertarian Globalist scumbag who hated Trump until the second Trump won the nomination; now he's Trump's biggest advocate.
To be quite honest I could never stand the guy. I hate people who think they're funny, or try to be funny and they're not. If you're going to try and make comedy out of politics, you have to be a comic genius. Politics is hard to make comedy out of successfully.
The scumbag would mock any professional who lost their career due to globalism.
There are very few personalities on Fox who weren't scumbags before Trump.
Laura Ingraham kept getting fired from WABC Radio because she was always MAGA but her fans would force the Globalist scumbags owners to hire her back.
Steve Hilton and Tucker Carlson are great.
Not familiar with Steve, but I'll watch Tucker once in a great while if nothing is on. Laura is my favorite but she's pushing too much of this going back to school stuff. She's entitled to what she believes, but she defeated the home school argument when she talks about kids getting depressed, committing suicide, and losing touch with kids their own age.
I always liked Laura because she was so good at mocking the left without being bothered by them.

She is a socon though. She acts just like the left when she gets on social issues. She loses all logical ability and goes to emotion. She's made some of the must butt stupid illogical arguments on drugs. Rush is the same, like with abortion and Terry Schiavo. Fortunately they generally focus more on fiscal issues I generally agree with them on
I am getting a little more involved with Fox besides Laura. I am now recording Mark Levin and Judge Jeanine. My favorite was Bill O' but Fox was stupid enough to get rid of him. So after he was gone, that's when Laura became my favorite.
 
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The reason socialism doesn't scare them is because capitalism, as represented by the ignorance, hatred and bigotry of Trumpsters, does.
LOL, and the emotional Democrat lashes out ...
An authoritarian Trumpsucker deflects.
The lone libertarian Biden supporter rides again. Hiyo Silver! Away!
The sad pretend libertarian who sucks Trump's cock, slithers away - again.
Yet you're still the only libertarian on the site who thinks Biden is better, Democrat apologist
Fuck you. I don't think Biden is better. And I'm not a Democrat apologist. That's how you see it, because you've swallowed the LO2E poison. You've sold your soul out of fear.
But let's get back to the point - you know, the thing you're trying to deflect away from by attacking me: People are turning to socialism because they see Trump's deplorables as the face of capitalism. If didn't know better, if I thought Trumpsters were what capitalism was all about, I'd reject it too. But I do know better. Trump, and his followers, have no respect for capitalism, free markets or liberty. They simply get off on strong-man authoritarianism.
Democrats were turning to socialism LOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGG before Trump. That's just stupid.
It's accelerated, rapidly, in the last four years. I know you've seen it. I know you won't admit it. Seriously, pull your head out of Trump's ass and look for a change.
 

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