So You Hate Socialism.......

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FY 2015 Program Spending​

37%27%16%6%7 others
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Medicare and Health
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Net Interest
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• Spending on Social Security, unemployment, and labor is estimated to be about 37% of all outlays in 2015. This is greater than average when compared to budgets from other years. (Average proportion = 35%)

• Medicare and general health spending is estimated to be about 27% of all outlays that year. This is one of the highest proportions spent when compared to budgets from other years. (Average proportion = 13%)

• Spending on national defense is estimated to be about 15% of all outlays that year. This is less than average when compared to budgets from other years. (Average proportion = 21%)

• As for spending on net interest, the government estimates it will dedicate about 6% of all its outlays that year to paying down its accumulated debt. This is less than average when compared to budgets from other years. (Average proportion = 8%)

• All other programs (agriculture, energy, commerce and housing credit, community and regional development, etc.) in 2015 are estimated to make up approximately 15% of national spending.

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[Staidhup]

Here is the current link I omitted.

US Federal Budget Definition - Spending Breakdown Deficit Debt Pie Chart

 

[Godboy]

Here is the current link I omitted.

US Federal Budget Definition - Spending Breakdown Deficit Debt Pie Chart

The US Federal budget was made possible by capitalism. That pie chart... also capitalism. The font in that link... capitalism. The computer it was made on... capitalism. Capitalism paid the guy who made the pie chart. The fact that im able to pay for the internet service which allows me to respond in this thread, was made possible by capitalism.

Hey, im getting the hang of this now Mertex!

 

[Staidhup]

Considering most on this board subscribe to Political fact here is an interesting link. Apparently there is confusion between discretionary spending and the national debt.

Pie chart of 'federal spending' circulating on the Internet is misleading
The bottom line is this government from a spending standpoint can no longer afford the remain non sustainable.

 

[Political Junky]

The rich in Canada come here for better service and treatment.

As do the middle in Canada.

What socialism does is drop everything to the lowest common denominator.

They have more options than the average American. Sorry but your analogy is bad. Only rich Canadians come here for treatment and they pay out the ying yang. They also get in to see the doctor quicker than you do, Mr. American dumbass.

Bullshit.

They have no options, which is why those who can afford quality care go across the border to get it.

The average Canadian likes their healthcare and its pretty much just like yours, only free. No Canadian has to worry about cancer wiping out their life savings but we do here in America.

Hardly "free" chimp. That the government owns the means for production doesn't alter the reality that there are costs associated.

Canada severely limits the care that is provided. Antibiotics for an infection or other simple things are done fine. Your chance of seeing doctor, someone with a medical degree, are slim to none in Canada. What you will see is a technician who will follow a script from the computer. Provided the medical issue is in the parameters of the script, the treatment will work. Anything out of the ordinary and you're fucked, though.

Now America is well down this same path, not as bad but getting there. It was headed this way before Fascistcare, but has accelerated.

The biggest problem America has with healthcare is lawyers. Get lawyers out of medicine and costs will plummet. The reasons are way beyond your educational and intellectual scope, but the one advantage that Canada has is that no one can sue for malpractice. No greedy shyster looking for a deep pockets payday can drive unneeded services and absurd premiums.

You've got the Right's talking points down, phony as they are.

 

[Fang]

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

This is the biggest bunch of horse shit and biggest reach I've ever read. There's no other way to put it. It's the governments role to provide for the common defense for rather painfully obvious reasons. It's not the governments role to make other people pay for someone else's college bills or whatever other shit you want to throw in there.

You're a little late for the party........were you in some coma? If left to the Republican conservatives all we would have in this country is the military and everyone would have their guns on their hips defending themselves.....we'd be no better than Somalia. No thank you.....if you don't like our country with its beautiful parks and the services of the police and firemen....and properly maintained roads and bridges, go to Somalia and let the rest of us who aren't greedy and ignorant continue to enjoy these benefits.

LMAO. You didn't take your meds today did you?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Daily Kos???? Really?

Rebuttal is not just a word, try it sometime ES.

October 26 and you just now thought of a reply? Good job!

Unlike too many on the MB, I have a life away from the computer. Thus, I spend most times when on this MB looking at alerts to threads I've opined, and seeking - and rarely finding - a sagacious and thought provoking response. Too many are unresponsive (idiot-grams) like yours.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Daily Kos???? Really?

same old BS
point out the things that are constitutional that we all benefit from and try to make them equal to the things that are not constitutional that only a select few benefit from.

 

[dannyboys]

Margaret Thatcher: "Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money to spend".
Anyone have a list of European socialist run countries which are prospering?
Maybe Greece? Or Spain? Or Portugal? Or France?
Socialism is for losers who know they could never survive on their own.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Margaret Thatcher: "Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money to spend".
Anyone have a list of European socialist run countries which are prospering?
Maybe Greece? Or Spain? Or Portugal? Or France?
Socialism is for losers who know they could never survive on their own.

A pedestrian post of an opinion ^^^ lacking any solid rebuttal of the points made in the OP.

The US has a mixed economy, the Far Right (Anarcho-Capitalists?) seek unregulated capitalism, a small government and seek for profit private individuals and a free market to regulate fraud, abuse and the exploitation of workers. A thoughtless and foolish notion indeed.

 

[Mertex]

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

This is the biggest bunch of horse shit and biggest reach I've ever read. There's no other way to put it. It's the governments role to provide for the common defense for rather painfully obvious reasons. It's not the governments role to make other people pay for someone else's college bills or whatever other shit you want to throw in there.

You're a little late for the party........were you in some coma? If left to the Republican conservatives all we would have in this country is the military and everyone would have their guns on their hips defending themselves.....we'd be no better than Somalia. No thank you.....if you don't like our country with its beautiful parks and the services of the police and firemen....and properly maintained roads and bridges, go to Somalia and let the rest of us who aren't greedy and ignorant continue to enjoy these benefits.

LMAO. You didn't take your meds today did you?

You're the one that needs meds........ You won't be able to get them in Somalia....did you think about that?

 

[Mertex]

As to be expected some nut claims the bulk of tax payer money goes to the military without knowing shit or spending the time to research where the bulk of taxes paid by those that work go.

Thank you for proving once again how ignorant conservatives are.........you're the one that doesn't know shit about where our tax money goes, idiot.

Whats the problem with military spending? I thought you said "the military is socilialism".

The military is the closest program to socialism than any of the others in the United States. I don't have a problem with military spending....we're a military family...I was just pointing out to the bozo that this country does spend more on the military than any other program, he was stating that it didn't. If you had read his post you might have figured it out....or not..

Unless a socialist invented a particular thing, you cant claim it to be a socialist idea. Its quite simple. I mean, i could do the same thing with capitalism... every thing that is man made and sold in the world is a capitalist idea. Clothing, groceries, the money that socilialists want to take from us, technology, modern medicine, schools, homes, skyscrapers, roads, trains, bottled water, the keyboard you are using to type your nonsense... i could literally go on forever. Your position is absurd.

Obviously you don't know the definition of "Socialism" - it's not something that "one" person creates or invents....it's a concept.....and the concept is the same regardless of what you call it. And nobody is saying that you have to have one or the other. And the OP points that out. The fact is, that we do have socialism as well as capitalism in the US, and you probably enjoy some of the "socialistic" ones yourself.

You're just talking nonsense, showing that you don't really understand the OP and are just parroting something you've heard on Faux News.


Socialism:
1.a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


Can a good government embrace both capitalism and socialism?

 

[Mertex]

Corporations are not our enemy but never forget they aren't our friends.

Why would they be? Go join a support group if you need friends. But you had to respond with this wisdom to an October post?

We don't need them to be our friends, but if we didn't have a Government to protect us, we would be screwed. Credit companies could charge you whatever they wanted to in interest....nobody would be able to afford to buy a home. Health Care Insurance companies could write their own rules and charge whatever they wanted (that's what we had before Obamacare) and they excluded a lot of people due to pre-existing conditions. It's okay for corporations to make as much money as they can, but fleecing the middle-class and the poor is not right, and certainly not "Christian"....yet so many Christian conservatives think it is okay.

 

[Conservative65]

Corporations are not our enemy but never forget they aren't our friends.

Why would they be? Go join a support group if you need friends. But you had to respond with this wisdom to an October post?

We don't need them to be our friends, but if we didn't have a Government to protect us, we would be screwed. Credit companies could charge you whatever they wanted to in interest....nobody would be able to afford to buy a home. Health Care Insurance companies could write their own rules and charge whatever they wanted (that's what we had before Obamacare) and they excluded a lot of people due to pre-existing conditions. It's okay for corporations to make as much money as they can, but fleecing the middle-class and the poor is not right, and certainly not "Christian"....yet so many Christian conservatives think it is okay.

What a crock of shit.

I don't need the government protecting me related to credit cards. I took care of that myself by not having any.

I bought a house about 3 years ago. The government didn't have anything to do with the price I paid.

My healthcare was fine before Obamacare. The max out of pocket annually for me was $750.

Your another moron that thinks government mandates equates to Christianity yet none of the teachings of Jesus involved government mandates.

You want the government to do things because you're too ******* lazy to do them yourself.

 

[Mertex]

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

You do realize that things like the military, roads, police, fire dept, etc existed thousands of years before anyone ever even coined the word "socialist"? Your thread is ******* stupid because its based on retard logic. Go read some books you ******* yokel.

Bwahahaha....what an idiot. Just because they didn't call it socialism doesn't mean it wasn't. Boy, another stupid one giving his two-cents. Thanks for proving yet again the ignorance from wrong-wing.....I bet you support Trump, too!

There is no god damn way you have an IQ above 70. That has got to be the dumbest ******* counter debate ive ever heard.

Says the idiot who is claiming that because military, roads police, etc., existed before the word "socialism" was coined, they couldn't be socialism. You're ignorant...your stupid post doesn't respect a more intense response, mostly because you would be unable to understand it....moron.

Socialism has been around since Jesus, you idiot........but then, you probably have never read the Bible.....

Acts 2, verses 44 and 45:

"All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need."

Acts 4, verse 32:

"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions were his own, but they shared everything they had."

and Acts 4, verses 34 and 35:

"There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from their sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need."

 

[Conservative65]

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So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

1) The military and it's funding is from a delegated power in the Constitution. Are you saying the Constitution is based on socialism?
2) Everyone that uses the roads pays for them. Socialism would involve people using them that didn't pay.
3) Are you saying that someone that doesn't pay for a library card can check out books?
4) Since local taxes that everyone pays where I live funds the police, if you call, you've paid.
5) Same as police
6) Postal service is in the Constitution. See #1 one retard.
7) While my college was funded entirely by scholarships, my daughter gets one grant to help fund hers. Since I'm paying the taxes that fund it, it's not socialism. Since you have to pay back the loans, it's not socialism. That you try to make it so by thinking the amount matters, you're a fool.

Again, you like it because you're too ******* lazy to do for yourself.

 

[Mertex]

Corporations are not our enemy but never forget they aren't our friends.

Why would they be? Go join a support group if you need friends. But you had to respond with this wisdom to an October post?

We don't need them to be our friends, but if we didn't have a Government to protect us, we would be screwed. Credit companies could charge you whatever they wanted to in interest....nobody would be able to afford to buy a home. Health Care Insurance companies could write their own rules and charge whatever they wanted (that's what we had before Obamacare) and they excluded a lot of people due to pre-existing conditions. It's okay for corporations to make as much money as they can, but fleecing the middle-class and the poor is not right, and certainly not "Christian"....yet so many Christian conservatives think it is okay.

What a crock of shit.

I don't need the government protecting me related to credit cards. I took care of that myself by not having any.

And, unless you are rich you wouldn't be able to buy a house without credit, ignoramus.

I bought a house about 3 years ago. The government didn't have anything to do with the price I paid.

Nobody said it did.....but it certainly had to do with how much interest you paid.

My healthcare was fine before Obamacare. The max out of pocket annually for me was $750.

That's what many dumb conservatives claimed until they found out when they signed up for Obamacare that their policies didn't cover shit, and that's why they were paying so little.

Your another moron that thinks government mandates equates to Christianity yet none of the teachings of Jesus involved government mandates.

You're right about that....Jesus never got involved in government, yet most who claim to be Christian conservatives want to make rules and laws that reflect the Bible. Practice what you preach.

You want the government to do things because you're too ******* lazy to do them yourself.

Yeah, idiot, like you could build your own library, like you could protect yourself against another country attacking us, like you could put out your own house on fire....like you could build your own roads to travel on, and your own bridges across rivers.....I could go on and on, but you're too ignorant to understand any of it. That's why Trump is so high in the polls, idiots like you believe everything he tells you.

 

[Conservative65]

Corporations are not our enemy but never forget they aren't our friends.

Why would they be? Go join a support group if you need friends. But you had to respond with this wisdom to an October post?

We don't need them to be our friends, but if we didn't have a Government to protect us, we would be screwed. Credit companies could charge you whatever they wanted to in interest....nobody would be able to afford to buy a home. Health Care Insurance companies could write their own rules and charge whatever they wanted (that's what we had before Obamacare) and they excluded a lot of people due to pre-existing conditions. It's okay for corporations to make as much money as they can, but fleecing the middle-class and the poor is not right, and certainly not "Christian"....yet so many Christian conservatives think it is okay.

What a crock of shit.

I don't need the government protecting me related to credit cards. I took care of that myself by not having any.

And, unless you are rich you wouldn't be able to buy a house without credit, ignoramus.

I bought a house about 3 years ago. The government didn't have anything to do with the price I paid.

Nobody said it did.....but it certainly had to do with how much interest you paid.

My healthcare was fine before Obamacare. The max out of pocket annually for me was $750.

That's what many dumb conservatives claimed until they found out when they signed up for Obamacare that their policies didn't cover shit, and that's why they were paying so little.

Your another moron that thinks government mandates equates to Christianity yet none of the teachings of Jesus involved government mandates.

You're right about that....Jesus never got involved in government, yet most who claim to be Christian conservatives want to make rules and laws that reflect the Bible. Practice what you preach.

You want the government to do things because you're too ******* lazy to do them yourself.

Yeah, idiot, like you could build your own library, like you could protect yourself against another country attacking us, like you could put out your own house on fire....like you could build your own roads to travel on, and your own bridges across rivers.....I could go on and on, but you're too ignorant to understand any of it. That's why Trump is so high in the polls, idiots like you believe everything he tells you.

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

1) It's about time those not paying the taxes that fund the military get to paying their fair share.

2) The majority of those taxes are paid through fuel taxes. If you don't use the road, you don't use the fuel.

3) There is no cost for a library card where I live. Local property taxes are the primary funding for the libraries here. If you don't own property on which to pay those taxes, I seriously doubt you're using the libraries funded by them.

4) I have. Since I pay the taxes that fund them, I'm getting what I paid for.

5) FD's are funded by local property taxes. If you don't have property to protect from fire, the fire dept. doesn't need to come to put out what you don't own.

6) Hate to break it to you but the postal service hasn't received direct taxpayer funding in almost 35 years.

7) My entire college funding was through academic and athletic scholarships. They were EARNED. My daughter is in college now and what academic scholarships, all privately funded and awarded, don't pay I pay out of pockets.

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

You do realize that things like the military, roads, police, fire dept, etc existed thousands of years before anyone ever even coined the word "socialist"? Your thread is ******* stupid because its based on retard logic. Go read some books you ******* yokel.

Bwahahaha....what an idiot. Just because they didn't call it socialism doesn't mean it wasn't. Boy, another stupid one giving his two-cents. Thanks for proving yet again the ignorance from wrong-wing.....I bet you support Trump, too!

There is no god damn way you have an IQ above 70. That has got to be the dumbest ******* counter debate ive ever heard.

Says the idiot who is claiming that because military, roads police, etc., existed before the word "socialism" was coined, they couldn't be socialism. You're ignorant...your stupid post doesn't respect a more intense response, mostly because you would be unable to understand it....moron.

Socialism has been around since Jesus, you idiot........but then, you probably have never read the Bible.....

Acts 2, verses 44 and 45:

"All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need."

Acts 4, verse 32:

"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions were his own, but they shared everything they had."

and Acts 4, verses 34 and 35:

"There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from their sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need."

If they were around before socialism was a concept, they were created without that in mind which means they can't be something that didn't exist when they were. Only a fool thinks they can.

You confuse socialism with personal compassion. Compassion doesn't come from a government mandate but a willful act by the giver.

I don't have a problem helping where I deem help is necessary. That's compassion and if you say I don't, prove it.

You think compassion comes from seeing how many you can get the government to force things your way. Sharing and charity doesn't involve you making the determination of how much someone else should give. That's a mandate and socialism. What Jesus taught was compassion. Learn the difference before you claim someone hasn't done something. It's apparently you haven't read the Bible or you believe what some ignorant Liberal told you it meant in order to fool you. The Bible is clear about how God will treat those who twist his word. Just wait.

 

[Mertex]

1

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

1) The military and it's funding is from a delegated power in the Constitution. Are you saying the Constitution is based on socialism?

No, idiot, but it was designed to be socialistic.....everyone pays for it.

2) Everyone that uses the roads pays for them. Socialism would involve people using them that didn't pay.

Yes, idiot, and that is socialism. Oh, you want the poor, who don't pay taxes to not use the roads? My, what a wonderful excuse for a human you are.

3) Are you saying that someone that doesn't pay for a library card can check out books?

You don't pay for a library card, ignoramus. If you did, someone scammed you and you're not as smart as you think.

4) Since local taxes that everyone pays where I live funds the police, if you call, you've paid.

You really are dense......the police don't check to see whether or not you paid taxes before they come out to save your ass.

5) Same as police

Because they don't get as much money from government, (thanks to Republican legislation) some fire departments are charging local residents for assistance, but yes, they don't check to see if you've paid your taxes.

6) Postal service is in the Constitution. See #1 one retard.

And who do you think wrote the Constitution, idiot? Newsbreak......it didn't write itself.

7) While my college was funded entirely by scholarships, my daughter gets one grant to help fund hers. Since I'm paying the taxes that fund it, it's not socialism. Since you have to pay back the loans, it's not socialism. That you try to make it so by thinking the amount matters, you're a fool.

Whether or not you pay taxes, if your daughter is using a government funded grant.......it is socialism. You can't pick and choose what you want to call socialism....anything that is funded by the government (from taxes from the people) and available for everyone to use, is a form of socialism. So, you're the ******* fool.

Again, you like it because you're too ******* lazy to do for yourself.

And here, you're acting a kid with a tantrum. I worked all my life....my husband was an officer in the Air Force....we have a very nice retirement, so calling me lazy just shows what an ignorant and capricious grumpy old man/woman you are. Oh, and you're not too smart, either.

 

[Conservative65]

1

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

1) The military and it's funding is from a delegated power in the Constitution. Are you saying the Constitution is based on socialism?

No, idiot, but it was designed to be socialistic.....everyone pays for it.

2) Everyone that uses the roads pays for them. Socialism would involve people using them that didn't pay.

Yes, idiot, and that is socialism. Oh, you want the poor, who don't pay taxes to not use the roads? My, what a wonderful excuse for a human you are.

3) Are you saying that someone that doesn't pay for a library card can check out books?

You don't pay for a library card, ignoramus. If you did, someone scammed you and you're not as smart as you think.

4) Since local taxes that everyone pays where I live funds the police, if you call, you've paid.

You really are dense......the police don't check to see whether or not you paid taxes before they come out to save your ass.

5) Same as police

Because they don't get as much money from government, (thanks to Republican legislation) some fire departments are charging local residents for assistance, but yes, they don't check to see if you've paid your taxes.

6) Postal service is in the Constitution. See #1 one retard.

And who do you think wrote the Constitution, idiot? Newsbreak......it didn't write itself.

7) While my college was funded entirely by scholarships, my daughter gets one grant to help fund hers. Since I'm paying the taxes that fund it, it's not socialism. Since you have to pay back the loans, it's not socialism. That you try to make it so by thinking the amount matters, you're a fool.

Whether or not you pay taxes, if your daughter is using a government funded grant.......it is socialism. You can't pick and choose what you want to call socialism....anything that is funded by the government (from taxes from the people) and available for everyone to use, is a form of socialism. So, you're the ******* fool.

Again, you like it because you're too ******* lazy to do for yourself.

And here, you're acting a kid with a tantrum. I worked all my life....my husband was an officer in the Air Force....we have a very nice retirement, so calling me lazy just shows what an ignorant and capricious grumpy old man/woman you are. Oh, and you're not too smart, either.

1) Socialism involves everyone getting but less than everyone paying. Hence, the term redistribution of wealth. You get even if you don't pay.

2) I want those you think should use something to have you pay their fair share.

3) You don't? In your original post, you said and I quote "You pay a few bucks to get a library card . . " Look at the blue portion above. YOU said it and now you say it doesn't happen. So much for anything else you say.

4) That's because if you live there, you have to have paid

5) Same as #4.

6) Socialists didn't write it.

7) Since you said that grants are taxpayer funded and I pay the taxes that help fund them, it's not socialism.

I'm smart enough to know that your husband married a worthless *****. I thought military people were smart. I guess he was one of those Liberal ones that got by. Maybe he liked you because you were an easy piece.