So why doesn't Zelensky simply say there will be no NATO bases in Ukraine and end the war?

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That's the Marvel comic book version which is all Libtards can understand. Their majors are in Gender Studies.

It's the truth, not the drivel Munkle splurts.

 

[otto105]

If Russia doesn't have a warm water port and access to Ukrainian grain then Russians starve during the winter. It's that simple. They cannot and will not lose.

Let them starve

Ukraine is not part of their old Soviet empire.

 

[MarcATL]

If Russia doesn't have a warm water port and access to Ukrainian grain then Russians starve during the winter. It's that simple. They cannot and will not lose.

So take what is not theirs to "win", right?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Let them starve.

 

[ErikViking]

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

That’s all he has to do really. And, of course, concede all territory that is disputed, let Russia appoint a new government, pay for damages done and lose all sovereignty.

Then you can ask the same question again in a year or so: Why can’t Lithuania just back off? Or Latvia. Or Estonia.

Of course there will be peace if Russia is appeased.

 

[TimFitz]

That's the Marvel comic book version which is all Libtards can understand. Their majors are in Gender Studies.

Stupid gibberish and right wing code words.

Let us know if you ever have something intelligent to say.

We won’t hold our breath.

 

[konradv]

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

Why doesn’t Putin just leave and end the war?

 

[TimFitz]

Because he doesn’t want to lose his country completely

He can’t afford to fight, especially when the EU is going behind his back and giving putin even more money then they gave him to fight and the United States tax payers are getting sick of tossing money his way with no security of our own

The United States does not lack for security. We have the largest military on earth, and spend twice as much on it every year as any other country.

You must have made up that line about having no security of our own, as it makes no sense at all.

Zelinsky has no intention of quitting his efforts to repel the Russian invasion. He has broad support from all of Europe and most of the rest of the world.

Trump is a Russian stooge, and is now actively aiding the Russian invasion.

Any patriotic American would be deeply ashamed of the way we are backing the tyrant, undermining the successful alliance that has assured stability in Europe for 75 years, and the way Trump is turning his back on the values America is supposed to stand for.

 

[TimFitz]

That’s all he has to do really. And, of course, concede all territory that is disputed, let Russia appoint a new government, pay for damages done and lose all sovereignty.

Then you can ask the same question again in a year or so: Why can’t Lithuania just back off? Or Latvia. Or Estonia.

Of course there will be peace if Russia is appeased.

He tried that in 2019.

The Russians set up their fake republics, and rigged elections to get their people in charge.

They never honored their own agreement and fighting continued.

And followed that up with a full scale invasion.

So, we already know what that kind of deal would turn out.
As you point out, Putin’s stated objective is to move on to its next target bin it’s effort to ring the Iron Curtain back down.

And Trump supports that.

 

[struth]

The United States does not lack for security. We have the largest military on earth, and spend twice as much on it every year as any other country.

You must have made up that line about having no security of our own, as it makes no sense at all.

Zelinsky has no intention of quitting his efforts to repel the Russian invasion. He has broad support from all of Europe and most of the rest of the world.

Trump is a Russian stooge, and is now actively aiding the Russian invasion.

Any patriotic American would be deeply ashamed of the way we are backing the tyrant, undermining the successful alliance that has assured stability in Europe for 75 years, and the way Trump is turning his back on the values America is supposed to stand for.

No dumb fuck, security to get repaid. Try and keep up

What other parts of the world? Europe gave more money to Russia last year then Ukraine.

 

[justoffal]

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

Exxxxactly

 

[Frankenstein]

Because that's not what the Russians really want. They want to conquer Ukraine.

And Trump is now their official ally.

It's a disgrace. But disgrace comes naturally to Donald Trump.

B.S

 

[Independent thinker]

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

But, if Putin got it, would he agree to give back the territory he has annexed?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

But, if Putin got it, would he agree to give back the territory he has annexed?

Nah.

 

[TimFitz]

No dumb fuck, security to get repaid. Try and keep up

What other parts of the world? Europe gave more money to Russia last year then Ukraine.

Sorry, but foreign aid, and/or military aid is not a loan to be repaid (unless it is structured that way in the first place).

I realize that in Trump's bipolar transactional view, he thinks that way, and Trump sheep bray whatever he is saying.

But that has never been the way it works.

BTW, I don't see you or your ilk demanding to be "paid back" by Isreal. They would owe us a lot more money than we've given to Ukraine.

 

[TimFitz]

B.S

Prove it. Your blanket dismissal is meaningless. You might as well have not bothered.

You can't argue with any of it.

 

[struth]

Sorry, but foreign aid, and/or military aid is not a loan to be repaid (unless it is structured that way in the first place).

I realize that in Trump's bipolar transactional view, he thinks that way, and Trump sheep bray whatever he is saying.

But that has never been the way it works.

BTW, I don't see you or your ilk demanding to be "paid back" by Isreal. They would owe us a lot more money than we've given to Ukraine.

Sure it can be.

Of course it has, for example FDR literally got islands from the UK for our help in WW2 Destroyers-for-bases deal - Wikipedia

 

[Frankenstein]

Sorry, but foreign aid, and/or military aid is not a loan to be repaid (unless it is structured that way in the first place).

I realize that in Trump's bipolar transactional view, he thinks that way, and Trump sheep bray whatever he is saying.

But that has never been the way it works.

BTW, I don't see you or your ilk demanding to be "paid back" by Isreal. They would owe us a lot more money than we've given to Ukraine.

Israel is an actual ally!

 

[Care4all]

Because he can't guara

Putin has said a thousand times this is the condition. NATO bases should be no more acceptable to him that Russian bases in Tijuana would be to us. Can we have a real discussion?

Because he can't guarantee that for the future....Ukrainians may want to join or may qualify to join, in the future, when Zelensky is no longer president.

 

[Care4all]

Israel is an actual ally!

Ukraine is also an actual ally and has been for decades.