So, what stands between the fighting in Iraq and our front door?

[Nutz]

So, what stands between the fighting in Iraq and our front door?

Airline tickets.

It would be pretty hard for ISIS fighters to get their heavy weapons through customs.

Yeah, but they will be marching into the US from canada. canada is the weak link in all of this nonsense. They already have a number of sleeper cells and they are creating new terrorists daily.

 

[Mojo2]

We didn't lose Afghanistan. That is simply anti-war propaganda. We dismantled the Taliban, Osama Bin Laden is dead and our troops are heading home.

We lost the war in Iraq, the goal was to remove weapons that threatened the US, none existed.

More liberal, anti-war propaganda. We deposed of a tyrant and gave the Iraqis the opportunity for freedom and democracy. What they did with that opportunity is on them, not us. And as an added bonus, we are now in a situation where we get to sit back and watch as they kill each other. Win - Win - Win!

Mission Accomplished! Thank you W!

You make indisputable points.

However, once the matter in Iraq is settled one way or the other, (or even before then as Muslims all over the World act independently to achieve their Jihadist goals) the Islamist's plan remains Global domination.

Which means we remain their biggest target for conquest.

 

[Nutz]

We lost the war in Iraq, the goal was to remove weapons that threatened the US, none existed.

More liberal, anti-war propaganda. We deposed of a tyrant and gave the Iraqis the opportunity for freedom and democracy. What they did with that opportunity is on them, not us. And as an added bonus, we are now in a situation where we get to sit back and watch as they kill each other. Win - Win - Win!

Mission Accomplished! Thank you W!

You make indisputable points.

However, once the matter in Iraq is settled one way or the other, (or even before then as Muslims all over the World act independently to achieve their Jihadist goals) the Islamist's plan remains Global domination.

Which means we remain their biggest target for conquest.

And the theater of war, because of Bush's genius, is in the Middle East...not in the US or Europe.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We lost the war in Iraq, the goal was to remove weapons that threatened the US, none existed.

More liberal, anti-war propaganda. We deposed of a tyrant and gave the Iraqis the opportunity for freedom and democracy. What they did with that opportunity is on them, not us. And as an added bonus, we are now in a situation where we get to sit back and watch as they kill each other. Win - Win - Win!

Mission Accomplished! Thank you W!

You make indisputable points.

However, once the matter in Iraq is settled one way or the other, (or even before then as Muslims all over the World act independently to achieve their Jihadist goals) the Islamist's plan remains Global domination. Which means we remain their biggest target for conquest.

Neo-con horse shit, sonny.

Bush fucked it all up and the Iraqis did exactly what we all told you they would do.

No, we are not going back to a major action in the ME.

Obama won't permit it, and neither will Boehner or Reid.

 

[Erand7899]

Islamic extremists believe that they are God's chosen, and their destiny is to rule the world and impose their religion on all. They have been fighting that war for centuries, and they will never give up that war until every one of them is dead. They are ignorant barbarians, and need to be treated as such.

Now, they are at war with the West, and will not cease that war as long as they are capable of continuing that war. We can stick our heads in the sand and pretend that the war does not exist, or we can fight them on our terms, and not theirs.

The attack on the World Trade Center was a wake-up call, and we engaged in that war. However, we got weary of fighting the war, and we unilaterally disengaged. That didn't end the war, it just gave our enemies the offensive, and now allow them to decide where, and when, the next battle will be fought.

It will be fought here, and hundreds, maybe thousands, of our people will pay the price for our utter disregard of reality.

That's all bullshit. America didn't go to war against anyone when a crazy white guy crashed a Cessna into the White House in 1996. This isn't about "extremists", "terrorists", or "freedom". This is about money. War makes money for certain people, and constant war constantly makes money for certain people. Those people want constant war.

13 years into this war and yet Americans still cannot define "victory". Bin Laden's dead, Hussein is dead, al-Qaeda's number 2 and number 3 people have been killed several times. How does America ever know if it's won?

America began "fighting them on their terms" when Afghanistan was invaded. The invasion of Iraq and the toppling of Hussein gave them the offensive.

There will not be a military victory in this war. There was never intended to be.

If there is not a military victory in this war, there will be a military defeat eventually. The Islamic extremists are in this war for the long haul. They don't care if it takes ten years to win, or a century or two. They believe it is their duty to fight and die in the cause, and that is a hard foe to completely defeat. You need to put your ignorant biases aside and decide what future you want for your grandkids.

 

[Nutz]

More liberal, anti-war propaganda. We deposed of a tyrant and gave the Iraqis the opportunity for freedom and democracy. What they did with that opportunity is on them, not us. And as an added bonus, we are now in a situation where we get to sit back and watch as they kill each other. Win - Win - Win!

Mission Accomplished! Thank you W!

You make indisputable points.

However, once the matter in Iraq is settled one way or the other, (or even before then as Muslims all over the World act independently to achieve their Jihadist goals) the Islamist's plan remains Global domination. Which means we remain their biggest target for conquest.

Neo-con horse shit, sonny.

Bush fucked it all up and the Iraqis did exactly what we all told you they would do.

No, we are not going back to a major action in the ME.

Obama won't permit it, and neither will Boehner or Reid.

That is the point, Jakey...we don't need to go back. They are killing themselves in the name of Allah. All we need to do is invest in popcorn.

I do suggest, however, that we drop weapons for whomever wants them. Implant some film crews and create a reality show to document their bloodlust and American entertainment.

Bush was a genius..Win-Win-Win!

 

[BlindBoo]

Airline tickets.

It would be pretty hard for ISIS fighters to get their heavy weapons through customs.

Didn't you learn anything from 9/11 you blind bastard?

Sure I did. Never again elect a Republican as President because he's likely more interested in projecting power abroad than in protecting you.

 

[BlindBoo]

Airline tickets.

It would be pretty hard for ISIS fighters to get their heavy weapons through customs.

but the TSA is a different story, they are too busy measuring liquids and making sure everyone removes their shoes and belts.

They are a different story all together.

 

[Siete]

More liberal, anti-war propaganda. We deposed of a tyrant and gave the Iraqis the opportunity for freedom and democracy. What they did with that opportunity is on them, not us. And as an added bonus, we are now in a situation where we get to sit back and watch as they kill each other. Win - Win - Win!

Mission Accomplished! Thank you W!

You make indisputable points.

However, once the matter in Iraq is settled one way or the other, (or even before then as Muslims all over the World act independently to achieve their Jihadist goals) the Islamist's plan remains Global domination.

Which means we remain their biggest target for conquest.

And the theater of war, because of Bush's genius, is in the Middle East...not in the US or Europe.

a theater of war that involves the US. (in any country) isn't genius.

 

[Erand7899]

Nutz, I'll assume that that was sarcasm. It has to be sarcasm because the majority of Arab Muslims are just like the majority of white Christians- they love their families and friends and they want to live a healthy peaceful life.

Also, the number of troops needed to subjugate and conquer the Middle East is well more than America can or is even willing to commit.

Our fight is not with the majority of Muslims, Arab or not. Our fight is with an extreme element of Islam that would just as soon kill those moderate Muslims as they would the rest of us.

We don't need to subjugate and conguer the Middle East on our own, nor is there any need to do so. We need to eradicate the murderous radicals and allow the moderate Muslims of the Middle East to forge their own destiny.

The concept that winning is too difficult is the whine of losers. We don't have a good alternative to fighting back.

 

[Nutz]

You make indisputable points.

However, once the matter in Iraq is settled one way or the other, (or even before then as Muslims all over the World act independently to achieve their Jihadist goals) the Islamist's plan remains Global domination.

Which means we remain their biggest target for conquest.

And the theater of war, because of Bush's genius, is in the Middle East...not in the US or Europe.

a theater of war that involves the US. (in any country) isn't genius.

It doesn't involve the US, now does it. They are killing one another. All we need to do is watch.

 

[BlindBoo]

No, not sarcasm at all. I am not speaking of genocide...I am speaking of WAR. I am speaking of destroying anything that stands in the way. If they don't want to get killed, they will get out of the way...that is the nature of WAR. As for the number of troops to subjugate the Middle East...totally possible. Once they are destroyed...the amount of manpower is decreased...but punishment for insurrection is swift and brutal.

No, you lost this war when Afghanistan was invaded. Don't you understand this? America lost just like Russia lost, no matter how many soldiers you throw into Afghanistan.

That region is called "The Graveyard of Empires". They've been fighting an insurgency against foreign invaders since Alexander, and Operation Cyclone brought the jihad into the modern era.

Afghanistan: Lessons from the Last War
Afghanistan: Lessons from the Last War

We didn't lose Afghanistan. That is simply anti-war propaganda. We dismantled the Taliban, Osama Bin Laden is dead and our troops are heading home.

Who did we swap that prisoner with? Did they ever surrender? OBL is dead, I'll give you that one. But we didn't exactly win in Afghanistan did we?

 

[Nutz]

No, you lost this war when Afghanistan was invaded. Don't you understand this? America lost just like Russia lost, no matter how many soldiers you throw into Afghanistan.

That region is called "The Graveyard of Empires". They've been fighting an insurgency against foreign invaders since Alexander, and Operation Cyclone brought the jihad into the modern era.

Afghanistan: Lessons from the Last War
Afghanistan: Lessons from the Last War

We didn't lose Afghanistan. That is simply anti-war propaganda. We dismantled the Taliban, Osama Bin Laden is dead and our troops are heading home.

Who did we swap that prisoner with? Did they ever surrender? OBL is dead, I'll give you that one. But we didn't exactly win in Afghanistan did we?

And that points to a loss how? There is an American imprisoned in Mexico, a military man. They won't let him go. Does that mean we lost a war to Mexico?

 

[BlindBoo]

Oh wow the racist far left Obama drones are still pushing their boring far left contradictory programmed propaganda.

Couldn't you just put that as your signature ?????

At least use the quote button so we'll know who has the honor.......

 

[MACAULAY]

We can easily avoid it if we humble ourselves and repent of our sins. By doing so we can eliminate the corruption in our lives and communities and call upon the powers of Providence to assist us in our protection like our Founders did.

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This won't appease the Muslims. We would also have to keep women from driving cars and voting.

 

[Erand7899]

You all care so much about evil terrorist Muslims while there are over 10k firearm deaths in the US every year.

Muslims don't need to kill Americans. Americans are doing just fine on our own.

I care about evil terrorist Muslims because I don't desire my grandchildren to have to bow down and accept Islam, or have their heads chopped off. Is that concept beyond your ability to comprehend?

What will be the effect on the United States of America when a couple of dozen bombs take out the electric power grid in the Northeast? What will be the effect when a few terrorists take over an elementary school and start killing six and seven year olds? What will be the effect after a few terrorists shoot up a few shopping malls or a crowded sporting event? Think back to the DC snipers and the effect they had on commerce.

 

[Erand7899]

So you are implying that American should turn in their weapons even though according to some people on this board we are about to be invaded by Jihadist!

No, I'm saying that an American asshole with a gun (especially an American asshole who doesn't even know what the 2nd Amendment is actually for) poses more of a threat to American safety and freedom than any Muslim.

Pretell wise one, "what is the 2nd Amendment actually for" in your mind?

He is trying to change the subject.

 

[Erand7899]

I believe there was no serious trouble in Iran until you removed the elected government and popped your pet dictator into power.
That always allows more extreme groups to flourish, as we saw in that country.
Now, instead of a oil dispute that would have sorted itself out in time, you have a radical government.
Of course, the Islamic republic of Iran had never murdered your sailors in the way Israeli forces did.

You assisted Surharto in Indonesia, mostly by bombing civilians. That got you a load of mates in this country.

You support Israel, regardless of how many people they murder. As with any extremist government, they encourage a far more extreme backlash, as you saw with 9/11 - a direct result of US intervention in the middle east.

America creates its own enemies, sadly you lot seem to be blind to that.

Non-Muslims have ALWAYS been slated for Islamic conquest.

Nothing we did or didn't do could change that except death, submission or conversion.

See CRUSADES(.)

Islam was fighting non Muslims long before the crusades.

 

[Sarah G]

I do not understand why you wingnuts want us to go back into that hellhole pit again! There was money allocated for training them when Bush was president, why didn't that happen and what happened to the money?

 

[BlindBoo]

We didn't lose Afghanistan. That is simply anti-war propaganda. We dismantled the Taliban, Osama Bin Laden is dead and our troops are heading home.

We lost the war in Iraq, the goal was to remove weapons that threatened the US, none existed.

More liberal, anti-war propaganda. We deposed of a tyrant and gave the Iraqis the opportunity for freedom and democracy. What they did with that opportunity is on them, not us. And as an added bonus, we are now in a situation where we get to sit back and watch as they kill each other. Win - Win - Win!

Mission Accomplished! Thank you W!

Using our military to Depose a tyrant and spread democracy to his former country was mandated by the Congress when? Is there something in our Constitution that calls for us to Depose tyrants or export our form of government?

President Bush was authorized to use force if Iraq was somehow a threat or was involved in 9-11. Certainly with out a nuclear weapon or the means to deleiver one, Iraq posed no threat to the worlds remaining superpower.