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no need to....The HIGH in a high crime etc, is a person of high authority... A president, a judge, a VP, a prime Minister and even a King.... high is not the degree of a crime, it is usually misconduct, an abuse of power of someone in higher authority... basically, it does not need to be a felony or misdemeanor under a statute of Law.... it can be.... but does not have to be.These are the nascent stages of an eventual impeachment. First an inquiry than a vote for the AOI.
Inquiry into what? You cannot inquire into crime that has not been committed.
here are some of the alleged crimes
The possible crimes in the Trump-Ukraine scandal, explained
Allegations of wrongdoing are flying around — a record of a July 25 phone call between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reads more like a mafia shakedown than a conversation between two world leaders. Trump asks Zelensky to do him a “favor,” i.e. dig up dirt on his political rival Joe Biden. Trump then suggested that Zelensky take this offline and talk with Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and US Attorney William Barr about it. In the background, Trump had frozen American aid to Ukraine, a strong-arm move that some on the internet pointed out would make Tony Soprano proud.
1.
Did Trump or his associates violate campaign finance law?
Federal law makes it illegal to “solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation” from a foreign national. The question of whether or not the president ran afoul of that law certainly seems in play in light of what we saw in the transcript.
For purposes of this statute, a “contribution or donation” is defined as “money” or another “thing of value.” So a prosecution of Trump would hinge upon whether the opposition research Trump sought on Biden constitutes such a “thing of value.” Barr and Giuliani, meanwhile, could be considered accomplices in Trump’s effort to obtain opposition research from Ukraine’s president.
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2.
Does Trump’s act constitute bribery?
Prosecutors might also look to a federal anti-bribery statute, which imposes criminal sanctions on a public official who “corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for ... being influenced in the performance of any official act.”
Any prosecution under this statute would raise similar issues to the ones that arise under the campaign finance law. Does opposition research constitute “anything of value”? Ultimately, that question would need to be resolved by the courts.
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3.
Did he commit extortion?
Writing in the Daily Beast, former United States Attorney Barbara McQuade points to the Hobbs Act, a federal anti-extortion law, as another possible source of criminal liability against Trump.
The Hobbs Act prohibits actions that “in any way or degree obstructs, delays, or affects commerce or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce, by robbery or extortion.” The word “extortion,” is defined as “obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right.”
The magic words here are “under color of official right.” This language refers to public officials who use their office to pressure another person. As the Supreme Court has explained, to show that a criminal defendant acted under color of official right, “the Government need only show that a public official has obtained a payment to which he was not entitled, knowing that the payment was made in return for official acts.”
Thus, if Trump blocked military assistance to Ukraine in order to extract a payment from that country, that could form the basis for a Hobbs Act prosecution.
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Did he obstruct justice?
Several other federal laws make it a crime to tamper with documents related to a federal investigation. One statute, for example, imposes criminal liability on anyone who “knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence” a federal investigation. If Trump or one of his associates committed such an act to cover up other potentially criminal activity, they could face prison time (though, again, any prosecution of Trump would have to wait until he leaves office).
At this stage, however, we can’t know for sure whether such a cover-up took place — although a whistleblower accused White House officials of moving the transcript of Trump’s call with Zelensky to a “separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature.” The White House, in other words, may have tried to shield Trump from political damage by hiding the transcript in a system normally afforded to the most sensitive national security information.
Whether this attempt to conceal the transcript was done at Trump’s behest and whether it was done specifically to obstruct a federal investigation are not yet known. So it remains to be seen whether an obstruction case could be built against Trump or against other Trump administration officials.
Vox? why not just go with the latest speculation from 'think progress'?
FYI!A 'high crime and misdemeanor' is essentially, as I understand it, a regular crime but committed with public office using the powers of office.
High crimes and misdemeanors - Wikipedia
The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct by officials, such as dishonesty, negligence, perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of public funds or assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, refusal to obey a lawful order, chronic intoxication, including such offenses as tax evasion. Offenses by officials also include ordinary crimes, but perhaps with different standards of proof and punishment than for nonofficials, on the grounds that more is expected of officials by their oaths of office. The word "High" refers to the office and not the offense. Indeed the offense may not even be a breach of criminal statute. See Harvard Law Review "The majority view is that a president can legally be impeached for “intentional, evil deeds” that “drastically subvert the Constitution and involve an unforgivable abuse of the presidency” — even if those deeds didn’t violate any criminal laws."
No, the impeachment needs to be about abuse of office or it is not legitimate.it's simply a few of the laws that COULD have been broken... (though no actual law needs to be broken to actually impeach...it can be for an abuse of power)
A 'high crime and misdemeanor' is essentially, as I understand it, a regular crime but committed with public office using the powers of office.
So if the President say broke into a building to steal secrets from his opponents offices, it is not a high crime unless it was to benefit him and he USED the POWERS OF OFFICE to enable the break in.
If a politician has an affair and pays hush money out of his own funds it might be a crime depending on the state, but if he paid out of the public treasury it is a high crime.
So what crime is alledged that Trump committed using his powers of office to commit the crime?
Anyone?
Did he take $1.5 billion from the Chicoms, or use his office to get lovers, or to trade on the information gfained in office, or simply steal public money without a trace?
What was his crime of office?
Conspiring with a foreign power to influence an American election will be the charge.
Republicans thought perjury regarding an affair was high crimes and misdemeanors to impeach Slick Willie.
Surely if lying about a blow job was good enough, trying to trade taxpayer funds for political opportunism qualifies, especially when you consider how many of Trump’s staff committed felonies regarding Russia and 2016.
I can’t possibly imagine Trump’s slavish worshippers taking the same stance if a Democrat did the same thing.
It doesn't matter what "the charge" is, there is no damn crime
They look pathetic because they are pathetic. The Dems I mean
If he is conspiring with a foreign country to influence an American election, then that is almost certainly a crime.
It's already in the works.The democrats will begin impeachment of Pence on day one.And a President Mike Pence, as well.Even if democrats win. They impeach Trump even if they remove him from office what then? The nation will have its final break. The democrats will be despised when ever they leave protected areas. No one will pay a bit of attention to pathetic calls for unity. This has to be what they want.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
roflmao
i would love to see them try that. Mr. Mike "So clean he squeaks when he walks" Pence ?
Mike Pence is in deep impeachment trouble
No, the impeachment needs to be about abuse of office or it is not legitimate.it's simply a few of the laws that COULD have been broken... (though no actual law needs to be broken to actually impeach...it can be for an abuse of power)
And the Senate does not have to give a trial just because the House, which has not actually launched a formal inquiry because they have not had a vote to start one, sends them some document claiming to be an impeachment.
All the Pelosi lemmings will accomplish is embarrassing themselves in front of the American people, yet again.
They lied about Trump asking 8 times for the Ukraine to look into Biden, they liked about Trump asking for 'dirt on Biden', they lied about just about everything they have said so far, especially the quid pro quo which is impossible because Poland only recently because aware that the aid had been delayed, lol
I don't consider myself a "Republican", but they would never pull this nonsense with a Democrat president
No President Trump asked him to look into Crowdstrike.
He as President has the right to do this.
It was talk by the people being repeated about the Biden's.
Joe Biden actually bragged that he got the guy fired who was looking into Hunter Biden.
People want to know about this.
What was his crime of office?
Agree the sites are IFFY, however here is the transcript of Pence meeting with the President of Poland and a press conference they had, that comes from the Whitehouse press office.... in that press conference, towards the end of the link, is where Pence is asked about his talks with the Ukraine President....It's already in the works.The democrats will begin impeachment of Pence on day one.And a President Mike Pence, as well.Even if democrats win. They impeach Trump even if they remove him from office what then? The nation will have its final break. The democrats will be despised when ever they leave protected areas. No one will pay a bit of attention to pathetic calls for unity. This has to be what they want.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
roflmao
i would love to see them try that. Mr. Mike "So clean he squeaks when he walks" Pence ?
Mike Pence is in deep impeachment trouble
Oh, please! You have gone libtard on us too? Nice source!
Exactly how did they get the transcripts of Pence's conversation with the President of Ukraine?
