So Trump wants to send the National Guard to Chicago, New York, Detroit and Baltimore but the democratic leaders are pushing back

[Concerned American]

This is a very slippery slope. Trump might believe he is controlling the media narrative, but he is also sending an easy outlet pass to the Dems and they will fund on it and gain traction.

At the very least, he should just demand that the mayor hold a local referendum. This will put the Dems on the defensive.

You don't to become like 1960s Moscow. If he gets his 30 surge in D.C, he should let it go but talk about police walking the beat more as a deterrent. I know it exists, but the chances of something causing trouble with two cops walking the block is significantly less than if they weren't there,.

The democrats are toast. They put all their eggs in the basket that has been the last eight years and dropped it off of CN Tower.

 

[Robert W]

The Republicans didn't seem concerned with law and order on Jan 6, 2021, when they sought to overthrow free elections

Republicans showed up with a very large army on Jan 6 then??? An Army to overthrow elections? How does it happen that the law never charged any of them for overthrowing an election?

 

[Natural Citizen]

You all are being played.

Relevant reading...

The US Government Is Waging Psychological War on Its Citizens: Inside the Deep State’s PsyOps Machine - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

“Have you ever wondered who’s pulling the strings? … Anything we touch is a weapon. We can deceive, persuade, change, influence, inspire. We come in many forms. We are everywhere.”— U.S. Army Psychological Operations recruitment video From viral memes to military-grade influence operations, the...

ronpaulinstitute.org

 

[WelfareQueen]

They should be pushing back, as per the constitution and amendments, Federal troops have no business enforcing lawfare on the public. States should decide when the National Guard is deployed within their borders, for how long, and control their command through the Adjutant General of the state. It is not a presidential deal, to basically declare martial law, send in the Federal Troop and take over law enforcement.

I can sort of understand DC. It is not a state. It is a Federal District. Maryland, Michigan, New York, and Illinois are states with their own rights, not given to the Federal Government.

It is not fair use of the National Guard, either. Pretend you are an E-5 Sergeant in the National Guard. In your civilian job, you make $68,000+/year at a factory, 2 kids in school, two car payments along with your wife and a house payment, along with interest on loans and taxes. Now you are sent to Washington, DC. for 6 months. You drop to pay and allowances of $4,076.40/ month. The government is then digging you a hole, it may be hard to get out of, and you take a hit to your credit rating, simply because some jackoff decided you were free labor to supplement DC, as they do not want to hire enough cops. Active Army was available and those soldiers, already used to the pay rate. For higher enlisted and officers, it can be worse, as many are business owners, even professional people taking a pay cut. So, what do you do. Go bankrupt on the business side? Sure Soldiers and Sailers Relief act, will protect your home and car(s), but your business? Nope. I knew of an officer with a successful dentil clinic and staff with a new facility, who was losing everything, the staff furloughed. He was overseas, nothing he could do about it, stop loss in effect. Lifestyle of his family based on his professional earning over for forceable future. He solved it by putting a bullet through his head, in his tent. Not common, but real.

I agree. You Dims want to continue to see thousands of young black men murdered in inner cities every year. God knows Dims mayors aren't doing a damn thing about it. How dare Trump try to stop violence! Bastard.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Crime on the streets is the purview and responsibility of local and state law enforcement, when not talking about Federal crimes.
Are you asking the Federal government to take over law enforcement by the military in your state or just someone else's in a state you do not live in?

And they are doing a really shitty job by any measure.

 

[buttercup]

Relevant reading...

The US Government Is Waging Psychological War on Its Citizens: Inside the Deep State’s PsyOps Machine - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

“Have you ever wondered who’s pulling the strings? … Anything we touch is a weapon. We can deceive, persuade, change, influence, inspire. We come in many forms. We are everywhere.”— U.S. Army Psychological Operations recruitment video From viral memes to military-grade influence operations, the...

ronpaulinstitute.org

Excellent article. Wow. I definitely agree with the author that that's what is going on...and those psychological operations have been going on for many years now, but things are escalating as we get closer and closer to their end goal. That whole topic reminded me of what William Cooper wrote about way back in the late 80s / early 90s in Behold a Pale Horse. The "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" part. (Which I want to re-read now.) It's surreal to me, everything that's going on. But one of the worst things about it is to see "conservatives" cheering all this on. Well, I guess I shouldn't be too hard on them, because they seem to genuinely believe the pretext. So they are just fooled, as opposed to evil. Thanks for sharing that link with me. I was starting to feel like I was the only one here seeing what's happening in a different way...but you and I are in a very tiny minority around here.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Because they saying crime is down? Why dont they want the citizens of those cities to be safer? Or they are pushing back because it Trump? They said its constitiutional lol

And no ******* crime is down

There are ways to do things and ways NOT to do things. And sending in the National Guard is NOT THE WAY TO DO THIS.

You want to reduce crime, get a crime reduction plan, spend some money on it, get people working together instead of ACTING LIKE A ******* DICTATOR.

 

[luiza]

So Trump wants to send the National Guard to Chicago, New York, Detroit and Baltimore but the democratic leaders are pushing back​

So What ?

If the door is locked you can push all you like .
But get nowhere , if the Commander is supported by the Military .

BTW , Don't forget there were/are 36 cities on the list .
That is , root out all the trash and poison .

 

[Seymour Flops]

Everything you say here is a lie. And Harris wouldn't be sending troops in a situation like what we see now. If Harris had to send guards in your hypothetical situations, it would be due to violence being imposed on them, not cities where crime prevention strategies are reducing crimes.

You guys love this just as long as Trump is doing this to people who aren't white or Republican. This is not going to turn out well, because Trump is breaking the law if he sends troops to those cities.

Are these supposed "crime prevention strategies" that Democratic municipal governments have suddenly taken an interest in reducing crime as quickly as Trump did in DC?

What would you say to the people who were not killed in the last week, with zero murders in DC?

 

[Seymour Flops]

There are ways to do things and ways NOT to do things. And sending in the National Guard is NOT THE WAY TO DO THIS.

You want to reduce crime, get a crime reduction plan, spend some money on it, get people working together instead of ACTING LIKE A ******* DICTATOR.

Typical Democrat procedure. Don't solve a problem, but announce a plan to solve it, get big bucks from Washington, and when you don't solve the problem, blame a combination of the Republicans and circumstances you had no way to foresee or control.

Nah.

I'd rather have results, especially since the law gives Trump the authority to do exactly what he is doing.

 

[Moonglow]

They should be pushing back, as per the constitution and amendments, Federal troops have no business enforcing lawfare on the public. States should decide when the National Guard is deployed within their borders, for how long, and control their command through the Adjutant General of the state. It is not a presidential deal, to basically declare martial law, send in the Federal Troop and take over law enforcement.

I can sort of understand DC. It is not a state. It is a Federal District. Maryland, Michigan, New York, and Illinois are states with their own rights, not given to the Federal Government.

It is not fair use of the National Guard, either. Pretend you are an E-5 Sergeant in the National Guard. In your civilian job, you make $68,000+/year at a factory, 2 kids in school, two car payments along with your wife and a house payment, along with interest on loans and taxes. Now you are sent to Washington, DC. for 6 months. You drop to pay and allowances of $4,076.40/ month. The government is then digging you a hole, it may be hard to get out of, and you take a hit to your credit rating, simply because some jackoff decided you were free labor to supplement DC, as they do not want to hire enough cops. Active Army was available and those soldiers, already used to the pay rate. For higher enlisted and officers, it can be worse, as many are business owners, even professional people taking a pay cut. So, what do you do. Go bankrupt on the business side? Sure Soldiers and Sailers Relief act, will protect your home and car(s), but your business? Nope. I knew of an officer with a successful dentil clinic and staff with a new facility, who was losing everything, the staff furloughed. He was overseas, nothing he could do about it, stop loss in effect. Lifestyle of his family based on his professional earning over for forceable future. He solved it by putting a bullet through his head, in his tent. Not common, but real.

I used to get twenty-seven dollars a day when I was called up in the OKARNG. In my civilian job, I made ten dollars an hour in 1983

 

[Moonglow]

Are these supposed "crime prevention strategies" that Democratic municipal governments have suddenly taken an interest in reducing crime as quickly as Trump did in DC?

What would you say to the people who were not killed in the last week, with zero murders in DC?

Once Trump is gone, the crime will continue, so Trump did not solve the problem for the long term.

 

[White 6]

And they are doing a really shitty job by any measure.

In some places, true. I do think that some Democrat run (supposedly progressive) cities, do, in fact, do a shitty job, are more lenient on criminals, more accepting of crime in certain areas, more prone to sometimes have more violent protests (as if it is a right and license to loot and destroy), more accepting of homeless taking over parks, streets, leaving needless, increasing street crime, etc.

Still, at the same time, it is not the job (except for District of Columbia) nor is it appropriate, that King Don should pull National Guardsmen and Guardswomen from all over the country to usurp local authority, in local cities or states on my dime, as Federal troop are not supposed be used for local law enforcement. Let the locals foot the bill. I simply do not give a shit about the shithole cities. I pay my local taxes so my local and state government do it's job to the extent necessary to keep crime down to a tolerable level. And, I am, of course, heavily armed and highly trained to stop violent crime in its tracks on my property and set example and act as influence to have people avoid attacks (if they were looking for easy risk free prey, in my immediate neighborhood. In my neighborhood watch days, I was very influential to ladies without a man in the house, to purchase and know how to use a shotgun. Even now years later, some I haven't seen in a while will greet me on the street or in a store, tell me they are glad to see me, Plus, locally, I will not vote for Sheriff, Judge, Mayor or Governor that I measure as being the accepting types, that simply make excuses, be they Republican, Democrat, or in non-party partisan races (locally Mayor). I do not owe the support of my tax dollars for the Federal Government to clean up local city street crime. Or other BS, Donny is using the National Guard for.
Did you see this?
National Guard troops to pick up trash in DC, work on ‘beautification' projects

 

[WelfareQueen]

In some places, true. I do think that some Democrat run (supposedly progressive) cities, do, in fact, do a shitty job, are more lenient on criminals, more accepting of crime in certain areas, more prone to sometimes have more violent protests (as if it is a right and license to loot and destroy), more accepting of homeless taking over parks, streets, leaving needless, increasing street crime, etc.

Still, at the same time, it is not the job (except for District of Columbia) nor is it appropriate, that King Don should pull National Guardsmen and Guardswomen from all over the country to usurp local authority, in local cities or states on my dime, as Federal troop are not supposed be used for local law enforcement. Let the locals foot the bill. I simply do not give a shit about the shithole cities. I pay my local taxes so my local and state government do it's job to the extent necessary to keep crime down to a tolerable level. And, I am, of course, heavily armed and highly trained to stop violent crime in its tracks on my property and set example and act as influence to have people avoid attacks (if they were looking for easy risk free prey, in my immediate neighborhood. In my neighborhood watch days, I was very influential to ladies without a man in the house, to purchase and know how to use a shotgun. Even now years later, some I haven't seen in a while will greet me on the street or in a store, tell me they are glad to see me, Plus, locally, I will not vote for Sheriff, Judge, Mayor or Governor that I measure as being the accepting types, that simply make excuses, be they Republican, Democrat, or in non-party partisan races (locally Mayor). I do not owe the support of my tax dollars for the Federal Government to clean up local city street crime. Or other BS, Donny is using the National Guard for.
Did you see this?
National Guard troops to pick up trash in DC, work on ‘beautification' projects

I would prefer the mayors in the Dim cities to actually do their job in fighting crime versus bringing in the National Guard. But if they do not what other option is there?

90% of the murder victims in Washington are young black men. Why are Dim politicians so comfortable with this? Isn't it racist to allow this slaughter to continue year after year?

Is Trump a racist for trying to stop it?

 

[White 6]

I would prefer the mayors in the Dim cities to actually do their job in fighting crime versus bringing in the National Guard. But if they do not what other option is there?

90% of the murder victims in Washington are young black men. Why are Dim politicians so comfortable with this? Isn't it racist to allow this slaughter to continue year after year?

Is Trump a racist for trying to stop it?

If the locals are happy with it, I can live with it being in their shithole cities.

90% of the 90% are killed by other blacks. If it is ok with the black community there, it is ok with me, too. You don't here Black Lives Matter, raising hell about the murder rate in black communities, do you?

He probably is a racist, but that is not the point of bringing in the National Guard. As far as using them to pickup trash and do beatification, I am sure the average Guardsman make less in pay and allowances than the average worker in the DC Sanitation Department. However, that does not make it right to use them that way.

 

[The Duke]

Crime on the streets is the purview and responsibility of local and state law enforcement, when not talking about Federal crimes.
Are you asking the Federal government to take over law enforcement by the military in your state or just someone else's in a state you do not live in?

The District of Columbia is a Federal jurisdiction. There's 3 states in it, but it's Federal.
Did you never have Civics class?

 

[WelfareQueen]

If the locals are happy with it, I can live with it being in their shithole cities.

90% of the 90% are killed by other blacks. If it is ok with the black community there, it is ok with me, too. You don't here Black Lives Matter, raising hell about the murder rate in black communities, do you?

He probably is a racist, but that is not the point of bringing in the National Guard. As far as using them to pickup trash and do beatification, I am sure the average Guardsman make less in pay and allowances than the average worker in the DC Sanitation Department. However, that does not make it right to use them that way.

Yep. I agree. Clearly the Dim politicians and black organizations are ok with 90% of the homicides in DC and Chicago being young black men. However, I do not think the black community is okay with it. Too many people have had family members or friends killed in the violence.

But the Dim mayors and politicians.... They could give a shit.

 

[White 6]

The District of Columbia is a Federal jurisdiction. There's 3 states in it, but it's Federal.
Did you never have Civics class?

Chicago isn't.
Have you heard they are having the Guard pickup trash and do beutification projects in DC? Here, we make the drunk drivers and other nonviolent offenders do it, but that's probably just us, and maybe you want your National Guard sent to Washington to pick up the trash.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Chicago isn't.
Have you heard they are having the Guard pickup trash and do beutification projects in DC? Here, we make the drunk drivers and other nonviolent offenders do it, but that's probably just us, and maybe you want your National Guard sent to Washington to pick up the trash.

Tennessee has sent NG to DC.

 

[White 6]

Tennessee has sent NG to DC.

The Governor did not know, cleaning up the streets, literally meant picking up trash is DC. The devil is in the details, and that part was not in the request for support. Probably nothing to be done about it. Once they are on Active title 10 duty, they are under Regular Army Regulation, so a detail is a detail. I see the Guard having a big decline in retention, as factory workers, contractors, business operators, decide to get out of the Guard, rather than be on trash duty in American cities, away from home, while their pay is cut from civilian employment levels to military levels, not even Sanitation worker levels.