So the republican solution to our healthcare system is as little government as possible right?

[dblack]

Why would you use KFC to make your point and not your own experience? Are you on welfare? Someone else pays the bills for you, right.

He's a shill for the health insurance industry.

 

[Greenbeard]

ObamaCare rose rates on average 129%

Premiums relative to 2009 for employer-based coverage aren't even 100% higher today, fifteen years later. They certainly weren't after the ACA passed in 2010.

You can spew all the bullshit you can find with google, which is not the truth.

Just going by the story you've been telling, the premium you're paying hasn't changed since the ACA passed fourteen years ago. So what doesn't ring true about the reality that premium growth in the ACA era has been the lowest on record?

What a farce. Obummercare increased my rate by over 100%. My wife's by 120ish percent, my neighbors by over 100% etc.

If you say so. You're an extreme outlier, given that we've just had the slowest period of cost and premium growth on record since the ACA passed.

 

[elektra]

Premiums relative to 2009 for employer-based coverage aren't even 100% higher today, fifteen years later. They certainly weren't after the ACA passed in 2010.



Just going by the story you've been telling, the premium you're paying hasn't changed since the ACA passed fourteen years ago. So what doesn't ring true about the reality that premium growth in the ACA era has been the lowest on record?



If you say so. You're an extreme outlier, given that we've just had the slowest period of cost and premium growth on record since the ACA passed.

The rates skyrocketed. Largest increase in history.

 

[elektra]

He's a shill for the health insurance industry.

Greenbeard is an idiot

 

[Greenbeard]

The rates skyrocketed. Largest increase in history.

Surely you recognized that your premium going up zero over a fourteen-year period was sort of unusual?

 

[P@triot]

So republican policy didn’t prevent it. Got it.

What “Republican” policy?

Who was speaker of the House during George W. Bush’s final 4 years? Nancy Pelosi (D). Spoiler Alert: that means the Democrats controlled the House.

Who was Senate Majority Leader during George W. Bush’s final 2 years? Harry Reid (D). Spoiler Alert: that means the Democrats controlled the Senate.

I want to thank you for yet again proving that whenever the Democrats are in power, collapse soon follows. Tip of my cap to you, sir

Obviously the unemployment rate is going to get higher in a recession that was only a few months old lol. You do get that basic logic right?

So then it’s still a recession. You do get that basic logic, right?

 

[P@triot]

Sure it was a big loss, but you’re making up reasons of pure speculation.

It’s not “speculation” at all. We have the data. It’s a fact that the recovery didn’t start until October 2011. In other words, 10 months after Republicans had control coast-to-coast.

The recession ended either way. Who the **** cares what the voter opinion on the economy is?

Yep - in 2011. When Republicans rolled out proven conservative policy.

 

[P@triot]

It was old people misled by hysterical anti-ACA propaganda.

“Old people” don’t make up nearly enough of the population to deliver that kind of historic beating. Hell, Republicans of all ages don’t make up enough of the population to deliver that kind of beating.

That literally takes Democrats also saying “**** this shit”

So now that you threw shit at the wall hoping it would stick and it didn’t - are you ready to admit that there was still a recession in 2009 and 2010? Do you have the maturity? Or are you going to try again with some other absurd desperate nonsense?

 

[Greenbeard]

“Old people” don’t make up nearly enough of the population to deliver that kind of historic beating. Hell, Republicans of all ages don’t make up enough of the population to deliver that kind of beating.

A 21-point margin among a demographic comprising a quarter of the electorate would account for about 80% of the GOP's margin in 2010. They believed the GOP's lies about the Dems' Medicare reforms and obviously it hurt the Dems.

 

[P@triot]

Per KFF, the annual employee contribution to their premium for single coverage was about $75/month when the ACA passed in 2010, which is about $105/month in 2023 dollars. The average monthly employee contribution in 2023 was about $116. So in real dollars individual premiums for employer-based coverage are a little over a hundred bucks a year higher.

You're not going to find any thirteen-year period on record where costs rose so slowly.

You continue to spread pure disinformation…

Obamacare Has Doubled the Cost of Individual Health Insurance

The Affordable Care Act (ACA), known as Obamacare, produced major dislocations in the individual (non-group) health insurance market by imposing a raft of new mandates and regulations, coupled with new income-related coverage subsidies. The results have been not only reduced insurer choice and...

www.heritage.org

 

[Greenbeard]

You continue to spread pure disinformation…

Obamacare Has Doubled the Cost of Individual Health Insurance

The Affordable Care Act (ACA), known as Obamacare, produced major dislocations in the individual (non-group) health insurance market by imposing a raft of new mandates and regulations, coupled with new income-related coverage subsidies. The results have been not only reduced insurer choice and...

www.heritage.org

Employer-based insurance is not the non-group health insurance market.

 

[P@triot]

They believed the GOP's lies about the Dems' Medicare reforms and obviously it hurt the Dems.

1. There were no lies at all

2. So you do lack the maturity to admit that the recession was still going in in 2010. Typical of a Democrat voter. After all, if you were mature, you wouldn’t be voting Democrat to begin with

 

[P@triot]

Employer-based insurance is not the non-group health insurance market.

Employer-based insurance options were already affordable. I thought the entire point of Obamacare was for the alleged “30 million who couldn’t afford coverage”?? Oops!!

 

[Greenbeard]

1. There were no lies at all

Ah, a "death panel" moron. Carry on.

 

[westwall]

Premiums relative to 2009 for employer-based coverage aren't even 100% higher today, fifteen years later. They certainly weren't after the ACA passed in 2010.



Just going by the story you've been telling, the premium you're paying hasn't changed since the ACA passed fourteen years ago. So what doesn't ring true about the reality that premium growth in the ACA era has been the lowest on record?



If you say so. You're an extreme outlier, given that we've just had the slowest period of cost and premium growth on record since the ACA passed.

No, I am in Nevada. All of our independent pharmacies had to close, so now all we have left are the giant corporate pharmacies like CVS, and Longs.

So all obummercare did was destroy the small family run businesses and turn it over to big corporations and now they raise prices on everything.

I no longer have insurance for my family. We simply pay out of pocket.

 

[Greenbeard]

No, I am in Nevada. All of our independent pharmacies had to close, so now all we have left are the giant corporate pharmacies like CVS, and Longs.

Why are we talking about pharmacies?

 

[P@triot]

Ah, a "death panel" moron. Carry on.

You mean the “death panel” that was actually in the original bill, you uninformed imbecile??

I never cease to marvel at just how damn dumb the left is

Are Medical Death Panels Coming To America?

Are medical death panels coming to America?

www.forbes.com

 

[P@triot]

Why are we talking about pharmacies?

Why are you so damn uninformed about Obamacare and yet still commenting about it anyway?

 

[Greenbeard]

You mean the “death panel” that was actually in the original bill, you uninformed imbecile??

How braindead does one have to be to believe this shit in 2024?

 

[westwall]

Why are we talking about pharmacies?

Because they were a victim of obummercare, and with their passing all we are left with are big corporations who have a monopoly. Thus my costs go up.

Yet again.

You're not very well informed are you.